The Crimea

anon84679660:
Here is an article from a russian paper, for some of you military planners and know all steering wheel attendants:

“Russia unable to win possible war with either NATO or China”

Gen. Nikolai Makarov, the chief of the Russian General Staff, stated on December 14 that after two years of reforms the Russian army was fully prepared for showing appropriate reactions to any threats. It became possible owing to the creation of the absolutely new defense structure and the introduction of the new training system for the troops, the official said.

High-readiness forces have been thoroughly provided with weaponry and ammo, whereas the army was supposedly degenerating before, the official added.

Makarov also said that the majority of military schools were training officers on the base of outdated programs and techniques. Many of those programs, the official said, were based on combat experiences of the Great Patriotic War.

Judging upon the statements of the high-ranking defense officials, the previous problems of the Russian army have been solved. Is it really so? Will the Russian army be ready to stand up against a potential enemy? Will the results of the army reforms give Russia an opportunity to show appropriate reactions to possible aggression from NATO members or China?

Pravda.Ru asked expert opinion from military experts.

Konstantin Sivkov, the first vice president of the Academy for Geopolitical Problems:

"Statements claiming that Russian Armed Forces are ready to repulse any attack after the so-called reforms are nothing but nonsense. They are capable of settling a small conflict, in which not more than 100,000 men would need to participate. If there’s a larger, local conflict, which requires the participation of up to 500,000 people, then the Russian Armed Forces would not be able to deal with it, not to mention a large-scale war with NATO or China.

"In other words, without the use of nuclear arms, Russia is incapable of reacting to challenges from potential enemies. Those, who believe that the Russian army should be cut, say that we do not need such a large army at all because we have our nuclear weapons. The forces of nuclear containment need to be protected in the air and on the surface. If someone attacks Russia without the use of nuclear arms, Russia will not respond with a nuclear attack either. No country participating in WWII used chemical weapons during the war in spite of the fact that everyone had more than enough of those weapons. No one did that, not even the dying ■■■■ Germany.

"The same will happen to nuclear weapons. Everyone is very well aware of the fact that using nuclear weapons is similar to committing suicide. Both NATO and China know that Russia will not use its nukes if a non-nuclear war occurs.

"As for the so-called reforms, the combat effectiveness of the Russian army has considerably reduced during the years of those reforms. Many officers resigned not because of the outdated training - they were simply sacked. They tell us today that Stalin “beheaded the Red Army” when he repressed 30,000 out of 800,000 officers. But what is the right word to describe the sacking of 200,000 out of 300,000 officers within two years? No one of them received any apartments, by the way.

"The reforms are over, and what do we see? Officers still do not have the motivation to serve, because they do not have a place to live. The technological base of the army was cut considerably during these two years. Let’s take the support system, for example. This system has been handed over to entrepreneurs. This system can function normally only during time of peace. Will businessmen and their subordinates risk their lives to deliver all necessary goods to the battlefield?

"So what does Russia have? China and NATO can oppose Russia with huge armies - 2.5 million men each. Russia has only 85 instant readiness brigades, or 180,000 people deployed on such a vast territory as our country.
“Here is another important aspect - Russian reformers want to purchase foreign arms. One would only have to press a button to deactivate those arms in case an armed conflict with NATO occurs,” the expert said.

“For the time being, Russia is capable of showing resistance to such countries as Georgia. Russia will not be able to win a war with China or NATO,” Alexander Khramchikhin, deputy director of the Institute of Political and Military Analysis told Pravda.Ru. "As for nuclear weapons, NATO is much stronger than Russia, and China’s nuclear arsenal will soon be just as powerful as that of Russia. It will not be possible for Russia to conduct offensive operations against NATO members, because the strength of the Russian army has declined considerably.

"As for military hardware, which was supposedly fully provided to high-readiness forces, I have to say that all that hardware is of the Soviet origin. New weapons exist in meager quantities. There are only two divisions of S-400 anti-missile systems, for example, and they do not have long-range missiles, which would make them different from S-300 systems. Where are those highly acclaimed Su-35 fighters, which Russia exports?

“There is another important aspect here. It is an open secret that all recent wars started with massive air strikes against enemies. Russia’s air defense is absolutely not ready to face such a threat. It can only protect large centers in the country and that’s it. There is not even one single air defense regiment on a huge territory from Irkutsk to Khabarovsk, which is 2,500 kilometers,” Khramchikhin said.

Sergey Balmasov
Pravda.Ru

english.pravda.ru/russia/politic … sia_war-0/

Have you thought of the possibility that the zb might just be lying as part of a deliberate policy of misinformation bearing in mind that Putin was a KGB operative and that Pravda was never known for providing accurate information to it’s potential enemies. :bulb:

Or maybe, just maybe Carryfast, hear me out now, he knows more than a retired Surry dwelling truck driver? Unlikely maybe, I know you are the worlds foremost thinker on all subjects.

Also, you didn’t have to quote the whole thing!

switchlogic:
Or maybe, just maybe Carryfast, hear me out now, he knows more than a retired Surry dwelling truck driver? Unlikely maybe, I know you are the worlds foremost thinker on all subjects.

Also, you didn’t have to quote the whole thing!

Lol, we really need a like button on here :smiley:

Yeah I like that too. Maybe in future a little “snip” then one or two lines of the original text. It saves readers with smartphones a lot of aggro.

Slightly o/t but still concerning the Russkis; it occurred to me that the fall of Communism and the Russian Federation happened pretty much after Gulf War 1. It almost seemed that as Iraqs defences were entirely Soviet manufactured and the coalition cut through them with complete impunity the Soviets seemed to think “why are we spending a huge part of our GDP on systems and equipment that is no match for NATO?”. I reckoned that was the spur to make them give up and devote their time to amassing wealth and football teams.

Carryfast:

peirre:
Every story I read and conversation I hear about the Crimea overlooks the fact the Russia has an interest there, which is the major shipping harbour there, and its access to the Black Sea. Without this port Russia will have limited access to shipping routes south. Which is why I understand it wants to protect its interests there.

The surprising thing is that the Russian side hasn’t pointed out to that ■■■■■■ Hague that it’s doing nothing much different than Britain has done in Northern Ireland,Gibralter or the Falklands.

Apart from the fact the the Falkland, Gibraltar and Northern Ireland want to be overseas British territory’s or part of Great Britain in NI case.

Slackbladder:

NewLad:

Muckaway:
Have to be honest and say I don’t what it’s all about. I’ve waited for the news to come on, admired Martine Croxhalls fantastic cleavage, heard “Ukraine” and switched the news off.
No doubt if it doesn’t concern us, British troops will be involved.

We won’t do anything (even though I think we should), Europe and the UK are far too scared of Mr Putin turning off the pipes to fight with the Russians!

It’s all about energy and who has it, Lybia has oil we were straight in there! Yet a country who is on our doorstep (and we’re promised protection of their boarders when they handed over their nukes) are left to rot because there not worth it and the risks of being cut off by Russia is too big!

When you say “we” do you mean the British Armed Forces? Those that can’t tie a shoelace without being told?. Funny how they seem to be quite useful sometimes though eh.
As for the trouble I couldn’t care less, never been & never wanted to go. The reason the Russians will be kicking off is because, like all these regimes, they don’t want their own people seeing how a bunch of committed people can overthrow a government, especially on their own doorstep. Put it down hard & fast to stop any ideas of ousting the current incumbent of the kremlin.
As for us, why would we be fighting to have even more eastern “Europeans” landing here?

The Armed Forces are good at what they do, they’re told what to do and work well under instructions. The average ex soldier in “civi street” as they like to call it, is useless, unless being told how/where and when to do it.

I am proud of what our Armed Forces do. I have family and friends who are and we’re in the military, but when doing things outside the military, in my experience, they haven’t got a clue.

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The Armed Forces are good at what they do, they’re told what to do and work well under instructions. The average ex soldier in “civi street” as they like to call it, is useless, unless being told how/where and when to do it.

I am proud of what our Armed Forces do. I have family and friends who are and we’re in the military, but when doing things outside the military, in my experience, they haven’t got a clue.
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Well I can only take it that you haven’t had much experience. Most places I’ve worked have had ex forces working for them. In the main they are well liked because they are dependable & willing to get on with the job without the civvy curse of moaning every time they get a job. Why you would think a person that is put in charge of, sometimes, millions of £s worth of equipment suddenly turns into a moron when faced with the very difficult task of driving speaks volumes about your family & friends.
If you knew anything about the forces you would know that you are taught to think for yourself, be adaptable & ready for anything.

There will be a recruitment officer along from the United Nations looking for officials off Trucknet.

thedailymash.co.uk/news/war/ … 4030584262

NewLad:

Carryfast:

peirre:
Every story I read and conversation I hear about the Crimea overlooks the fact the Russia has an interest there, which is the major shipping harbour there, and its access to the Black Sea. Without this port Russia will have limited access to shipping routes south. Which is why I understand it wants to protect its interests there.

The surprising thing is that the Russian side hasn’t pointed out to that ■■■■■■ Hague that it’s doing nothing much different than Britain has done in Northern Ireland,Gibralter or the Falklands.

Apart from the fact Northern Ireland want to be part of Great Britain in NI case.

Exactly which is how Russia also ( rightly ) sees the Crimea.So why the hypocrisy in the case of Russia doing exactly the same thing.In this case it would be no different to Russia siding with the Irish Republican cause against the British Army in wanting Northern Ireland to be forcibly removed from the UK against the wishes of the loyalist community. :unamused:

Rhythm Thief:
Battle re-enactors volunteer for Crimean war | The Daily Mash

The Light Brigade is on it’s way to sort it all out and they can’t lose this time because the Russians have only got an unarmed football team to oppose them. :smiling_imp:

bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-h … s-22951548 :unamused: :laughing:

I have just read that Alex Salmond has offered all his military might to Ukraine if he gets his yes vote, in exchange for the hryvnia currency which is subdivided into 100 kopiyoks. He also said for a couple of cases of Neminoff he could probably get them some shop soiled polaris parts.

Spokesman Dmytro Adamovichmctavish said that they don’t need the Scottish gas as they have got more in their underground pipes than he has in the North sea, however he said he welcomed his support.

In view of the success of Robert Serry’s mission in convincing the Russian loyalists and forces in Crimea to hand the place over to Ukrainian control Obama and Merkel have ordered him to fly directly to Northern Ireland to order the British loyalists and forces to do the same in the case of handing over Northern Ireland to the Republic.

However there are unsubstantiated reports that he and his team have had to take refuge in an unknown cafe in Belfast,from a mixed group made up of British Army personnel and loyalists waving the the union flag.Who seem to be saying that they have orders from William Hague to drag him out and take him to the airport to send him back to Brussels.Although some reports say that gunfire and explosions have been heard.

Meanwhile Obama has denied all knowledge of both operations blaming it all as a diversionary tactic,by Basque nationalists,to further their unjustified aims of seperation from Spain.While under the delusion, that such seperation,would automatically qualify them for billions of dollars’ worth of US and EU financial aid.In which case they wouldn’t need to worry about the unemployment in Western Europe because they could all afford to retire.

Meanwhile William Hague has said that until evidence is seen on the ground in the Crimea,of withdrawal of Russian forces,and the handover of it’s control to Ukraine,the deployment of the Light Brigade is to continue.Although the EU has expressed concern as to the welfare of the horses during the long sea journey after the originally planned joint Polish and Romanian road transport operation was dropped when a Chinese shipper under cut the price quoted. :smiling_imp: :laughing: :laughing:

anon84679660:
No country participating in WWII used chemical weapons during the war in spite of the fact that everyone had more than enough of those weapons. No one did that, not even the dying ■■■■ Germany.

Not trying to be cute, but don`t Zyklon B and mustard gas qualify?

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anon84679660:
No country participating in WWII used chemical weapons during the war in spite of the fact that everyone had more than enough of those weapons. No one did that, not even the dying ■■■■ Germany.

Not trying to be cute, but don`t Zyklon B and mustard gas qualify?

It doesn’t take a genius to then combine the logic which was ( rightly ) applied by the Jews here :frowning: together with the idea of taking the zb’s out with you in any way possible. :bulb:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_ … oman_siege

It’s just that the issue of Putin and Russia wanting to put things back as they were,before Reagan sold the West out to the Russians and Slavs in general and the Chinese by appeasement through bribery and kickbacks,wouldn’t be reason for doing that.The present situation is a warning that we need to be cutting our ties with the slavs not trying to get ourselves even more tied in with them and their private squabbles.

So many good posts and not 1 about my great great aunt . Florence . Yes watch China

Carryfast:
In view of the success of Robert Serry’s mission in convincing the Russian loyalists and forces in Crimea to hand the place over to Ukrainian control Obama and Merkel have ordered him to fly directly to Northern Ireland to order the British loyalists and forces to do the same in the case of handing over Northern Ireland to the Republic.

However there are unsubstantiated reports that he and his team have had to take refuge in an unknown cafe in Belfast,from a mixed group made up of British Army personnel and loyalists waving the the union flag.Who seem to be saying that they have orders from William Hague to drag him out and take him to the airport to send him back to Brussels.Although some reports say that gunfire and explosions have been heard.

Meanwhile Obama has denied all knowledge of both operations blaming it all as a diversionary tactic,by Basque nationalists,to further their unjustified aims of seperation from Spain.While under the delusion, that such seperation,would automatically qualify them for billions of dollars’ worth of US and EU financial aid.In which case they wouldn’t need to worry about the unemployment in Western Europe because they could all afford to retire.

Meanwhile William Hague has said that until evidence is seen on the ground in the Crimea,of withdrawal of Russian forces,and the handover of it’s control to Ukraine,the deployment of the Light Brigade is to continue.Although the EU has expressed concern as to the welfare of the horses during the long sea journey after the originally planned joint Polish and Romanian road transport operation was dropped when a Chinese shipper under cut the price quoted. :smiling_imp: :laughing: :laughing:

I’m from n ireland hope it will be one with the republic one day and hope Ukraine becomes its own country away from Russia

irish lorries:

Carryfast:
In view of the success of Robert Serry’s mission in convincing the Russian loyalists and forces in Crimea to hand the place over to Ukrainian control Obama and Merkel have ordered him to fly directly to Northern Ireland to order the British loyalists and forces to do the same in the case of handing over Northern Ireland to the Republic.

However there are unsubstantiated reports that he and his team have had to take refuge in an unknown cafe in Belfast,from a mixed group made up of British Army personnel and loyalists waving the the union flag.Who seem to be saying that they have orders from William Hague to drag him out and take him to the airport to send him back to Brussels.Although some reports say that gunfire and explosions have been heard.

Meanwhile Obama has denied all knowledge of both operations blaming it all as a diversionary tactic,by Basque nationalists,to further their unjustified aims of seperation from Spain.While under the delusion, that such seperation,would automatically qualify them for billions of dollars’ worth of US and EU financial aid.In which case they wouldn’t need to worry about the unemployment in Western Europe because they could all afford to retire.

Meanwhile William Hague has said that until evidence is seen on the ground in the Crimea,of withdrawal of Russian forces,and the handover of it’s control to Ukraine,the deployment of the Light Brigade is to continue.Although the EU has expressed concern as to the welfare of the horses during the long sea journey after the originally planned joint Polish and Romanian road transport operation was dropped when a Chinese shipper under cut the price quoted. :smiling_imp: :laughing: :laughing:

I’m from n ireland hope it will be one with the republic one day and hope Ukraine becomes its own country away from Russia

In the case of Ireland Michael Collins realised that the loyalists aren’t just going to disappear or change to being for the Republic.The Ukrainians need to follow his example in it’s dealings with Eastern Ukraine.As for the issues of Ukraine in general it’s more a case of the EU and NATO stirring up trouble as part of an obvious ( dangerous ) agenda of shifting it’s borders Eastwards onto Russia’s turf which is likely to blow up in NATO’s face at some point if it doesn’t change/reverse course.We’ve been here before in 1914 it’s just that ironically then we were on the side of Russia when we should have been on the side of Germany or preferably neutral.Whereas now we’re on the side of Germany when we should be on the side of Russia or preferably neutral.

As for the slavs in general they’ll just go with the Germans or the Russians depending on who offers them the most in subsidies.At the moment that’s obviously the EU not the Russians.

hatchet harry:
So many good posts and not 1 about my great great aunt . Florence . Yes watch China

Florence was just a front for Mary Grant :slight_smile:

Carryfast:

irish lorries:

Carryfast:
In view of the success of Robert Serry’s mission in convincing the Russian loyalists and forces in Crimea to hand the place over to Ukrainian control Obama and Merkel have ordered him to fly directly to Northern Ireland to order the British loyalists and forces to do the same in the case of handing over Northern Ireland to the Republic.

However there are unsubstantiated reports that he and his team have had to take refuge in an unknown cafe in Belfast,from a mixed group made up of British Army personnel and loyalists waving the the union flag.Who seem to be saying that they have orders from William Hague to drag him out and take him to the airport to send him back to Brussels.Although some reports say that gunfire and explosions have been heard.

Meanwhile Obama has denied all knowledge of both operations blaming it all as a diversionary tactic,by Basque nationalists,to further their unjustified aims of seperation from Spain.While under the delusion, that such seperation,would automatically qualify them for billions of dollars’ worth of US and EU financial aid.In which case they wouldn’t need to worry about the unemployment in Western Europe because they could all afford to retire.

Meanwhile William Hague has said that until evidence is seen on the ground in the Crimea,of withdrawal of Russian forces,and the handover of it’s control to Ukraine,the deployment of the Light Brigade is to continue.Although the EU has expressed concern as to the welfare of the horses during the long sea journey after the originally planned joint Polish and Romanian road transport operation was dropped when a Chinese shipper under cut the price quoted. :smiling_imp: :laughing: :laughing:

I’m from n ireland hope it will be one with the republic one day and hope Ukraine becomes its own country away from Russia

In the case of Ireland Michael Collins realised that the loyalists aren’t just going to disappear or change to being for the Republic.The Ukrainians need to follow his example in it’s dealings with Eastern Ukraine.As for the issues of Ukraine in general it’s more a case of the EU and NATO stirring up trouble as part of an obvious ( dangerous ) agenda of shifting it’s borders Eastwards onto Russia’s turf which is likely to blow up in NATO’s face at some point if it doesn’t change/reverse course.We’ve been here before in 1914 it’s just that ironically then we were on the side of Russia when we should have been on the side of Germany or preferably neutral.Whereas now we’re on the side of Germany when we should be on the side of Russia or preferably neutral.

As for the slavs in general they’ll just go with the Germans or the Russians depending on who offers them the most in subsidies.At the moment that’s obviously the EU not the Russians.

Your right Ukraine people need a good leader like Michael Collins but don’t forget michael was shot be his own people