I thought it looked really bad …then I saw the Russian army still had Commer vans
bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26416868
One on that clip 26 sec in.
Poor sods don’t stand a chance, those vans were bad enough in the 1970s.
Have to be honest and say I don’t what it’s all about. I’ve waited for the news to come on, admired Martine Croxhalls fantastic cleavage, heard “Ukraine” and switched the news off.
No doubt if it doesn’t concern us, British troops will be involved.
Well we were the last time anything kicked off there…Charge of the Light Brigade!
It’s not a Commer, it’s a UAZ-452.
Muckaway:
Have to be honest and say I don’t what it’s all about. I’ve waited for the news to come on, admired Martine Croxhalls fantastic cleavage, heard “Ukraine” and switched the news off.
No doubt if it doesn’t concern us, British troops will be involved.
We won’t do anything (even though I think we should), Europe and the UK are far too scared of Mr Putin turning off the pipes to fight with the Russians!
It’s all about energy and who has it, Lybia has oil we were straight in there! Yet a country who is on our doorstep (and we’re promised protection of their boarders when they handed over their nukes) are left to rot because there not worth it and the risks of being cut off by Russia is too big!
If the situation gets any worse you can be sure the price of diesel will go up . 
I think that Commer van is a UAZ. Probably pinched the plans years ago.
NewLad:
Muckaway:
Have to be honest and say I don’t what it’s all about. I’ve waited for the news to come on, admired Martine Croxhalls fantastic cleavage, heard “Ukraine” and switched the news off.
No doubt if it doesn’t concern us, British troops will be involved.We won’t do anything (even though I think we should), Europe and the UK are far too scared of Mr Putin turning off the pipes to fight with the Russians!
It’s all about energy and who has it, Lybia has oil we were straight in there! Yet a country who is on our doorstep (and we’re promised protection of their boarders when they handed over their nukes) are left to rot because there not worth it and the risks of being cut off by Russia is too big!
You really must be a full on believer of the bs propaganda being put out by our raving EU supporting government.Which part of the Ukraine and especially East Ukraine and the Crimea is Russia’s turf don’t you understand.The real question is do you want to start what would be guaranteed to be WW3 just because a bunch of raving ethnic Slavs,who just happen to support the 1930’s German agenda,can see a better deal in terms of access to jobs and EU subsidies by joining the EU,than they do in staying where they belong.While the EU are all about taking advantage of that for the cheap labour opportunities of yet another Eastward expansion of the EU’s borders.
As for Russia’s position is it so different from that of the UK’s in the case of Northern Ireland in this case.
As for us tying ourselves to making stupid treaties with the rest like Latvia etc etc that’s just another case of the western governments trading our security in the form of liabilty alliances like those that got us involved in WW1,for cheap labour.
But yes at some time there probably will be a war between the west and Russia and it won’t be something that either side will win except Russia has a lot more land mass to avoid the resulting nuclear aftermath if anyone does.All of which could have been avoided if both us and France had joined Germany in WW1 instead of backing the wrong horse. 
Although having said that past form suggests that,having kicked it all off,our and the US governments would probably surrender before that point putting their populations into slavery under Russia in exchange for a kickback for those at the top in the form of them being able to keep what they’ve got.
I think the media has hyped this up as there are tv channels to sell. The Ukraine and Crimea is not part of the EU or NATO so have no protection from the EU, unlike Poland, Bulgaria etc.
Russia is largly ignored by the rest of the world and any energy we purchase is limited to be able to continue from alternative sources.
Mr Putin is maverick making a statement because he is a frustrated man and is not recognised as a world leader.
I hope this is settled by diplomatic means. I have to admire the Ukrainians (Military in the Crimea) for being loyal to Ukraine, unlike their treasonous head of their navy Denis Berezovsky.
Just thinking back 100 years, do you think this one will be over by Christmas?
As truck drivers you should know about mass and momentum; once you get a big heavy thing moving it’s difficult to stop it again. Who’s to say Mr P would stop with the Ukraine? There’s plenty more of the old USSR waiting to be mopped up and what could Dave do about it, send an aircraft carrier? Oh hang on we haven’t go one right now.
miketaurus:
I think the media has hyped this up as there are tv channels to sell. The Ukraine and Crimea is not part of the EU or NATO so have no protection from the EU, unlike Poland, Bulgaria etc.Russia is largly ignored by the rest of the world and any energy we purchase is limited to be able to continue from alternative sources.
Mr Putin is maverick making a statement because he is a frustrated man and is not recognised as a world leader.
I hope this is settled by diplomatic means. I have to admire the Ukrainians (Military in the Crimea) for being loyal to Ukraine, unlike their treasonous head of their navy Denis Berezovsky.
That last paragraph is exactly the same bs logic that De Valera was using when he went to war with Michael Collins.The Crimea is to Russia what Northern Ireland is to the UK and Berezovsky is using the same logic as Michael Collins was in knowing that fighting with Russia for it isn’t an option.As for Poland the fact is going to war with Russia for the place would be as stupid as it would have been in 1945.As Putin rightly says the break up of the Soviet Union and the Eastern Bloc was the most stupid thing that happened for both the west and Russia in recent history.In that it’s made Russia feel more threatened and wrecked the western european economies.As for going to war to save Poland no thanks.If/when the times comes to face Russia down and go to war if needed it’ll need to be for a better reason that that place and it’ll take a leader like Kennedy to do the job. 
The question is then have all those who can talk the talk,like calling Berezovsky treasonous,got the bottle for what it’ll take to do it in the form of them or their families not ever seeing another day if Russia doesn’t back down before the deadline arrives to press the button. 
All that will happen IMHO is that Russia will move more forces in (Who look well equipped to be honest) and in a few days it will be forgotten about, in the West anyway.
Britain certainly won’t be able to do anything else for two reasons:
- Putin is selling us a lot of gas a the moment, he knows British customers will blame the Uk government if prices go up if Vlad shuts off the supply.
- Our diplomatic clout is negligible because of the above, and because Whitehall have run down our armed forces so much, they are no longer very credible as a diplomatic tool in their own right, which they could have been, without firing a shot, were there to have been enough of them.
This might not be a bad thing in this particular instance for us, but just shows how weak we have become. Our enemies are starting to realise this.
Cameron and Osbourne, you fools.
bazza123:
All that will happen IMHO is that Russia will move more forces in (Who look well equipped to be honest) and in a few days it will be forgotten about, in the West anyway.Britain certainly won’t be able to do anything else for two reasons:
- Putin is selling us a lot of gas a the moment, he knows British customers will blame the Uk government if prices go up if Vlad shuts off the supply.
- Our diplomatic clout is negligible because of the above, and because Whitehall have run down our armed forces so much, they are no longer very credible as a diplomatic tool in their own right, which they could have been, without firing a shot, were there to have been enough of them.
This might not be a bad thing in this particular instance for us, but just shows how weak we have become. Our enemies are starting to realise this.
Cameron and Osbourne, you fools.
Do you really think that the combined forces of NATO would stand the slightest chance against Russia in a conventional war.It was proved years ago in numerous military tests that they’d have to resort to tactical nukes within days if that and that was with the capabilities we had at the height of the cold war.Which is why Kennedy didn’t even bother with all that bs he just turned the Cuban missile crisis into a game of chicken of all out nuclear war and the Russians knew he was playing for real.As I said does anyone seriously think that saving any of Eastern Europe,let alone Ukraine,from being re claimed by Russia would be worth that.What we should be doing is cutting our ties and stupid alliances with the slavic ex eastern bloc and soviet nations.Not trying to increase them before the zb’s drag us into something we don’t need to be in.Just like they did in WW1.Our stupid leaders have learn’t nothing in 100 years.
Carryfast:
NewLad:
Muckaway:
Have to be honest and say I don’t what it’s all about. I’ve waited for the news to come on, admired Martine Croxhalls fantastic cleavage, heard “Ukraine” and switched the news off.
No doubt if it doesn’t concern us, British troops will be involved.We won’t do anything (even though I think we should), Europe and the UK are far too scared of Mr Putin turning off the pipes to fight with the Russians!
It’s all about energy and who has it, Lybia has oil we were straight in there! Yet a country who is on our doorstep (and we’re promised protection of their boarders when they handed over their nukes) are left to rot because there not worth it and the risks of being cut off by Russia is too big!
You really must be a full on believer of the bs propaganda being put out by our raving EU supporting government.Which part of the Ukraine and especially East Ukraine and the Crimea is Russia’s turf don’t you understand.The real question is do you want to start what would be guaranteed to be WW3 just because a bunch of raving ethnic Slavs,who just happen to support the 1930’s German agenda,can see a better deal in terms of access to jobs and EU subsidies by joining the EU,than they do in staying where they belong.While the EU are all about taking advantage of that for the cheap labour opportunities of yet another Eastward expansion of the EU’s borders.
As for Russia’s position is it so different from that of the UK’s in the case of Northern Ireland in this case.
As for us tying ourselves to making stupid treaties with the rest like Latvia etc etc that’s just another case of the western governments trading our security in the form of liabilty alliances like those that got us involved in WW1,for cheap labour.
But yes at some time there probably will be a war between the west and Russia and it won’t be something that either side will win except Russia has a lot more land mass to avoid the resulting nuclear aftermath if anyone does.All of which could have been avoided if both us and France had joined Germany in WW1 instead of backing the wrong horse.
Although having said that past form suggests that,having kicked it all off,our and the US governments would probably surrender before that point putting their populations into slavery under Russia in exchange for a kickback for those at the top in the form of them being able to keep what they’ve got.
I just read as much as I can about it and form my own opinion
Are you saying it’s ok then what he has done? Is your only argument that the Ukraine is too far East for us to care about and it’s ok because there not in the EU/NATO.
I’d rather die with the last thing I see a flash of light than live in a World where some leaders try to take over the World.
Russia has no Legal right to be in the Ukraine, we live in a democratic society and if they want to be part of Russia it should go to a vote, do.t just take it.
If Northern Ireland want out then that should go to a vote too!
Do you think this will be it, do you think it will stop with Ukraine? I don’t.
NewLad:
Carryfast:
NewLad:
Muckaway:
Have to be honest and say I don’t what it’s all about. I’ve waited for the news to come on, admired Martine Croxhalls fantastic cleavage, heard “Ukraine” and switched the news off.
No doubt if it doesn’t concern us, British troops will be involved.We won’t do anything (even though I think we should), Europe and the UK are far too scared of Mr Putin turning off the pipes to fight with the Russians!
It’s all about energy and who has it, Lybia has oil we were straight in there! Yet a country who is on our doorstep (and we’re promised protection of their boarders when they handed over their nukes) are left to rot because there not worth it and the risks of being cut off by Russia is too big!
You really must be a full on believer of the bs propaganda being put out by our raving EU supporting government.Which part of the Ukraine and especially East Ukraine and the Crimea is Russia’s turf don’t you understand.The real question is do you want to start what would be guaranteed to be WW3 just because a bunch of raving ethnic Slavs,who just happen to support the 1930’s German agenda,can see a better deal in terms of access to jobs and EU subsidies by joining the EU,than they do in staying where they belong.While the EU are all about taking advantage of that for the cheap labour opportunities of yet another Eastward expansion of the EU’s borders.
As for Russia’s position is it so different from that of the UK’s in the case of Northern Ireland in this case.
As for us tying ourselves to making stupid treaties with the rest like Latvia etc etc that’s just another case of the western governments trading our security in the form of liabilty alliances like those that got us involved in WW1,for cheap labour.
But yes at some time there probably will be a war between the west and Russia and it won’t be something that either side will win except Russia has a lot more land mass to avoid the resulting nuclear aftermath if anyone does.All of which could have been avoided if both us and France had joined Germany in WW1 instead of backing the wrong horse.
Although having said that past form suggests that,having kicked it all off,our and the US governments would probably surrender before that point putting their populations into slavery under Russia in exchange for a kickback for those at the top in the form of them being able to keep what they’ve got.
I just read as much as I can about it and form my own opinion
Are you saying it’s ok then what he has done? Is your only argument that the Ukraine is too far East for us to care about and it’s ok because there not in the EU/NATO.
I’d rather die with the last thing I see a flash of light than live in a World where some leaders try to take over the World.
Russia has no Legal right to be in the Ukraine, we live in a democratic society and if they want to be part of Russia it should go to a vote, do.t just take it.
If Northern Ireland want out then that should go to a vote too!
Do you think this will be it, do you think it will stop with Ukraine? I don’t.
My argument is that having grown up through the cold war and with the Soviet Union and Eastern Bloc as it was I couldn’t care less about Putin running around on his own turf just so long as he stays on his own turf.It’s stupid to risk our own on some bs crusade which involves us in the business, squabbles,and arguments of the slavic nations.Just as it was in the case of getting involved on the side of the Serbs and Russia in WW1.Yes maybe you’d rather die than see Putin re claim what Russia was in control of before.But when the bomb goes off it’s not just you that it will take out it’s your whole country and it’s population amongst others and it involves a ‘bit’ more suffering for all concerned than just seeing the flash when it detonates.
As for democracy there is such a thing as ethnicity and different loyalties in different geographic areas which make it all about local majorities and artificial borders and doing the best thing possible to save as many lives as possible rather than fight for bs idealism and forcing different opposing groups into a government they won’t accept.In the case of Northern Ireland that translated as drawing an artificial border between the majority loyalist North and the Nationalist Republican South.By your logic you’d have been on De Valera’s side in that argument while I’d have been on Collins’.I’m guessing in this case that Putin isn’t intending on taking all of Ukraine.Although having said that I couldn’t really care less in this case if he doesn’t stop until Polish/German border possibly even the old East/West German border.If he looks like not stopping at ‘that’ point that’s probably the point to press the button and you’ll get your wish.IE be careful what you wish for.
churchill would of sent a gun boat !
Thatcher would of sent a carrier airwing !
Cammoron can ask the french nicley if we can borrow one of theirs even tho we have no planes to fly off it we an island nation have scrapped our only means to project force before we have the replacement even started good forward thinking that
Listen to newlad putting the world to rights 
forget about the British lives that would be lost fighting for the Ukraine. And what would they be dying for? So the Ukraine can be part of the EU in which your hard earned tax can subsidise them. This is a country that needs 30billion in the next two year and we want to bring them into the fould. Also God knows what the price of gas would be if we had a conflict with Russia, oh btw the same Russia that has several hundred warheads no really in the same league as all the other daft pish our government gets us involved in.
Strategically Russia don’t want to give up Ukraine. Also there is a nuclear submarine base.
Personally the threat in the future will be China not Russia.
This isn’t our fight. We are a small island off the coast of Europe and the sooner we stop this silly world policeman game and start looking after our own country and people the better. We don’t need a big military and lots of hardware, we don’t need to get involved in these issues. The world has plenty of countries with a lot more clout and military muscle happy to intervene in world affairs so we don’t have to. The sooner people in this country started having a more realistic world view of our own importance the better. The Empire is long gone, we are no longer a world straddling super power so lets just stop trying to pretend we are.
Harry Monk:
It’s not a Commer, it’s a UAZ-452.
Looking at the Wikki pictures it really is a Commer rip-off (with 4x4).
I used to work for a removal company where we had one of those with a Luton body
If we were coming back to the yard empty and the road was wet, I used to have to stand in the back over the axle and jump up and down to get traction up the hill.
Coming back empty from London one day, we were bombing down the motorway at about 40 mph, and the rag that replaced the oil filler cap on the (petrol) engine got blown out by the crankcase pressure (worn leaky rings). The cab filled up with exhaust gas and we nearly died!
Finished the journey with us both leaning out the cab windows and trying not to throw up.
Happy days!