tachograph:
For me it shows that the best way to learn is through discussion and debate on the Internet, this misinformation has been corrected and it hasn’t cost anyone or their company or the road transport industry a penny
But what if ‘Driver A’ has read as far as Limeyphil’s post and absorbed the missinformation in it and not come back since? He’s now told 23 lads in the yard where he works. Two of them were in a Tesco DC this morning and passed on the new rules to 5 other lads. One of them told his TM who checked online but couldn’t really understand it
he then asked the DCPC trainer at the training place round the corner. he thought it was true in the first place anyway - he was sure he read it on the internet somewhere
tachograph:
Rather than the current DCPC system perhaps it should be compulsory to log onto TrucknetUK (other forums are available) for 35 hours every 5 years
tachograph:
For me it shows that the best way to learn is through discussion and debate on the Internet, this misinformation has been corrected and it hasn’t cost anyone or their company or the road transport industry a penny
But what if ‘Driver A’ has read as far as Limeyphil’s post and absorbed the missinformation in it and not come back since?
That’s fair comment but I never said anything was perfect
shep532:
But what if ‘Driver A’ has read as far as Limeyphil’s post and absorbed the missinformation in it and not come back since? He’s now told 23 lads in the yard where he works. Two of them were in a Tesco DC this morning and passed on the new rules to 5 other lads. One of them told his TM who checked online but couldn’t really understand it
he then asked the DCPC trainer at the training place round the corner. he thought it was true in the first place anyway - he was sure he read it on the internet somewhere
Hang about, are you now you’re saying that 29 drivers and a TM all got it wrong but the DCPC trainer round the corner got it right… have a word with yourself will you
tachograph:
Hang about, are you now you’re saying that 29 drivers and a TM all got it wrong but the DCPC trainer round the corner got it right… have a word with yourself will you
Errr … yes … NO! The trainer got it wrong as well.
With you being a training provider shep i was wondering if you would know or find out what the up take on DCPC for pcv holders is now that its just over a year until its compulsary. And with just over 2 years for lgv drivers what percentage have completed 35 hrs
cheers
I can tell you BigJ, the official answer is that NO-ONE KNOWS. Not the DfT, not Skills for Logistics, not the RHA or FTA.
Here’s why: the DVLA doesn’t differentiate between D-CPC cards issued for PCV and LGV drivers…and some drivers hold both licence entitlements in any case. About one in three of the people who currently hold an LGV licence actually work as employed truck drivers and will require the D-CPC, but again the exact number is not known and cannot be obtained.
What the DVLA can tell you is that only a minority of new LGV drivers who passed their test after the D-CPC came into force in 2009 have passed modules 2 and 4. So, while they have an LGV licence, they don’t hold a DCPC card and are already driving illegally unless exempt.
However, the general feeling in the PCV industry is that most drivers are well on the way to qualification. Most PCV drivers are employed by large or medium sized companies who have already incorporated D-CPC into their existing training programmes without making a fuss.
The PCV industry is far more professional when it comes to recruitment and training than the freight sector is.
But I suspect some bus drivers who hold a DCPC card and hold an LGV licence may be tempted across come 2014, if training uptake among LGV drivers remains as poor as it is currently thought to be. A D-CPC card awarded to a bus driver counts as valid for LGV too.
GasGas:
I can tell you BigJ, the official answer is that NO-ONE KNOWS. Not the DfT, not Skills for Logistics, not the RHA or FTA.
Here’s why: the DVLA doesn’t differentiate between D-CPC cards issued for PCV and LGV drivers…and some drivers hold both licence entitlements in any case. About one in three of the people who currently hold an LGV licence actually work as employed truck drivers and will require the D-CPC, but again the exact number is not known and cannot be obtained.
What the DVLA can tell you is that only a minority of new LGV drivers who passed their test after the D-CPC came into force in 2009 have passed modules 2 and 4. So, while they have an LGV licence, they don’t hold a DCPC card and are already driving illegally unless exempt.
However, the general feeling in the PCV industry is that most drivers are well on the way to qualification. Most PCV drivers are employed by large or medium sized companies who have already incorporated D-CPC into their existing training programmes without making a fuss.
The PCV industry is far more professional when it comes to recruitment and training than the freight sector is.
But I suspect some bus drivers who hold a DCPC card and hold an LGV licence may be tempted across come 2014, if training uptake among LGV drivers remains as poor as it is currently thought to be. A D-CPC card awarded to a bus driver counts as valid for LGV too.
thanx gas gas about time the DSA,DVLA DfT Ect Ect pulled the finger out and start collating figures to see if the UK is on track to meet this mental directive. But as per usuall the above agencies will act far to late they should be advertising and advising drivers to get qualified before thedeadline ie adverts on trailors ,msa ,bill boards ect. Would have been better if everyone was made do 7hrs training per year from 2008/9 but thats to simple for this goverment.
you can bet your ■■■ there is gonna be an almighty rush in the next 12-18 months and the price aint gonna be cheap.
ND888 BIGJ:
thanx gas gas about time the DSA,DVLA DfT Ect Ect pulled the finger out and start collating figures to see if the UK is on track to meet this mental directive. But as per usuall the above agencies will act far to late they should be advertising and advising drivers to get qualified before thedeadline ie adverts on trailors ,msa ,bill boards ect. Would have been better if everyone was made do 7hrs training per year from 2008/9 but thats to simple for this goverment.
you can bet your ■■■ there is gonna be an almighty rush in the next 12-18 months and the price aint gonna be cheap.
Page 5 and back to the start of the thread!
There is no dash for this TRAINING!! And there will not be in the future either!
Keep dreaming trainerbods!!
newmercman:
Yes, they do make the rules up, like it or not, that’s their job
It has been passed into law that you need to do the DCPC to continue holding a licence to drive LGVs, so it’s the same as refusing to take a medical, you will have your licence revoked
^^^This.
…please remember… and don’t forget there are… according to many drivers… 1000’s of Eastern Europeans waiting to take your jobs when you are finally resigned to the dole queue. But…also please do not forget that with the changes in the benefit system ready to go through parliament you may not be able to claim anything to provide for your families.
I agree the DCPC in it’s present form isn’t the ideal way to keep drivers abreast of regulatory changes.
So let’s be realistic here lads…eh?
ND888 BIGJ:
thanx gas gas about time the DSA,DVLA DfT Ect Ect pulled the finger out and start collating figures to see if the UK is on track to meet this mental directive. But as per usuall the above agencies will act far to late they should be advertising and advising drivers to get qualified before thedeadline ie adverts on trailors ,msa ,bill boards ect. Would have been better if everyone was made do 7hrs training per year from 2008/9 but thats to simple for this goverment.
you can bet your ■■■ there is gonna be an almighty rush in the next 12-18 months and the price aint gonna be cheap.
Page 5 and back to the start of the thread!
There is no dash for this TRAINING!! And there will not be in the future either!
Keep dreaming trainerbods!!
No one even knows how many drivers with grandfather rights have done the training so so no one even knows if theres going to be a rush the bottem line is you wanna drive commercially after the cut off date you need this card no argument no hissy fits no ifs no buts get yourself qualified or you wont even be insured to to drive.
If thats to much for some drivers to understand then there are some right thick people driving trucks /buses ect.
Not having a go at anyone here but as ihave stated before its not gonna go away. There was the same resistance when tachographs came in but everyone just got used to it and got on with it .The same will happen with DCPC.
It would actually be possible for the DVLA to send every LGV licence holder a copy of the leaflet explaining the D-CPC, because they have everyone’s address on file.
GasGas:
It would actually be possible for the DVLA to send every LGV licence holder a copy of the leaflet explaining the D-CPC, because they have everyone’s address on file.
But that would be far too simple.
No! A waste of our money! 350000 is the estimated amount of LGV drivers who actually use their License! No thank you!
ND888 BIGJ:
thanx gas gas about time the DSA,DVLA DfT Ect Ect pulled the finger out and start collating figures to see if the UK is on track to meet this mental directive. But as per usuall the above agencies will act far to late they should be advertising and advising drivers to get qualified before thedeadline ie adverts on trailors ,msa ,bill boards ect. Would have been better if everyone was made do 7hrs training per year from 2008/9 but thats to simple for this goverment.
you can bet your ■■■ there is gonna be an almighty rush in the next 12-18 months and the price aint gonna be cheap.
Page 5 and back to the start of the thread!
There is no dash for this TRAINING!! And there will not be in the future either!
Keep dreaming trainerbods!!
You could be right.
There will just be a load of people who find they don’t have a job any more, and their jobs have been taken by Greek drivers and/or demobbed soldiers.They won’t get any redundancy because not doing the D-CPC was their choice.
Enjoy your time on the dole, and think of the cash you saved by taking five years NOT to do your D-CPC.
I hear daytime TV isn’t quite as bad as most people make out…if you can afford to keep your telly.
Sorry if this sounds harsh, but you really should get your head out of the sand.
GasGas:
It would actually be possible for the DVLA to send every LGV licence holder a copy of the leaflet explaining the D-CPC, because they have everyone’s address on file.
But that would be far too simple.
No! A waste of our money! 350000 is the estimated amount of LGV drivers who actually use their License! No thank you!
Good point, but the DVLA probably send each of us at least one letter a year re car road tax…it wouldn’t cost too much to put an extra piece of paper in the envelope. They already send me 2 of everything because I live in Wales!
License can only be revoked if you run bent,drink drive or fail a medical! You just won’t be allowed to drive for paid employment unless you pay your tax and put in your 35 hours of mostly boredom! HTH
I must remind everyone that the supposed purpose of the Dcpc was to enhance the profession of LGV driving! But may infact ruin the level we have due to imported cheap labour or retirement of existing drivers!
And you must pay for additional training every 5 years!
Wheel Nut:
The problem with lorry drivers forums is that lorry drivers post on them and come up with ridiculous statements like.
They wont even be insured to drive
This along with having their licences revoked, refused, removed and ripped up.
It is however, correct!!
Why is it correct?
Ok a driver who has not completed hi DCPC training is involved in an accident do you really think the insurance is going to pay out to the drivers company when they make a claim? i think not.
although nothing in an insurance policy prevents a 3rd party from making a claim. I also beleive that it will be a condition of you operators license that all persons driving vehicles for hire and reward will need a card. I dont think i know any company who will let a driver out on the road without a card.So if you aint done the training then you best get a move on cos them greeks and ex squaddies are just waiting to fill yer boots
