Roll on 2014! Next year we may see the take up of the Bus/Coach drivers Dcpc! Most are funded by their companies I would guess! 
It’s time that the hauliers started paying up for their drivers training! 
Dessy when i read that article it was looking like BB was saying it is down to the employeer. But we know thats not true.
Long distance clara:
Dessy when i read that article it was looking like BB was saying it is down to the employeer. But we know thats not true.
Yep! And we all know why she said that! 
Not as switched on as she would like to think is my guess! 
Is there a Dcpc course for TCs I wonder!
No i dont think there is but I have heard to get to the top you still have to bend ove backwards 
dessy:
Roll on 2014! Next year we may see the take up of the Bus/Coach drivers Dcpc! Most are funded by their companies I would guess!
It’s time that the hauliers started paying up for their drivers training!
The bus company my cousin works for did pay for it …BUt all had to sign a contract to pay it back if they left
zeddman:
dessy:
Roll on 2014! Next year we may see the take up of the Bus/Coach drivers Dcpc! Most are funded by their companies I would guess!
It’s time that the hauliers started paying up for their drivers training!The bus company my cousin works for did pay for it …BUt all had to sign a contract to pay it back if they left
Thats why I sorted my own out, I’m free to work where ever I want when I want.
I agree, the employer should provide the training, but these pay back clauses will become more common. We have them where I work now, and the % to be payed back goes down for each month employed after the course, down to 0% at 12 months. No one objects to it as we’re paid a very good rate, and we get full training and support, but thats in an industry away from haulage.
bigr250:
Fer Christs sake, it’s all TOO expensive & totally inapropriate to experienced drivers, it’s been mentioned on this thread earlier that the only people who (might) get any real world benefit from the DCPC training will be new drivers.I passed my test in 1977 & since then have driven to & through over 12 countries carrying all kinds of cargo from steel to pottery to fresh veg, so what am I likely to learn from some 25 yr old bloke who’s never driven a truck?? All he’s done is sit in a class room and listened to theory on load security, and is trying to tell me that all I have learned over the years should be forgotten, & I’m to do it his way!!
Nonsense, & the biggest nonsense is that all you have to do in order to gain your (totally worthless) DCPC is ‘attend’ 35 hrs of training, no exams, no testing to show that you’ve learned anything, in fact you could sit out the 7hrs reading Commercial Motor & still gain your precious DCPC.
If it was really about driver training, you should have to prove you’ve actually learned something & not simply slept through the 7hrs.
Face it, the DCPC is a joke & the closest thing to funny is the fact that a hard hit industry such as road haulage is being forced to part with thousands of pounds for useless training & pay the wages of their drivers whilst wasting their time on said useless ‘training’!!!
A LOAD OF TESTICLES!!!
Ross.
Spot on.
Mike-C:
bigr250:
the closest thing to funny is the fact that a hard hit industry such as road haulage
Quality reply, I think not!!
It’s the haulage companies that have been put out of business by the Dentresangles & Stobarts of this world that prove my point, where have all the hundreds of small & medium sized haulage firms gone? The family busines type firms that had been in road haulage for often 4 & even 5 generations that are weekly making the pages of CM, not because they’re expanding, because they’re closing the doors. If you call that “the price of progress” well dream on.
I’m glad I’m 55 & near the back end of my working life because I don’t want to work for any of these ‘logistics providers’ with celebrity CEO’s taking home their anual multi million pound bonus, while the few remaining small hauliers who are barely making a wage are being forced to pay for all of their (often highly experienced) drivers to go through ill conceived, badly delivered & totally useless training!!!
Ross.
bigr250:
It’s the haulage companies that have been put out of business by the Dentresangles & Stobarts of this world that prove my point, where have all the hundreds of small & medium sized haulage firms gone? The family busines type firms that had been in road haulage for often 4 & even 5 generations that are weekly making the pages of CM, not because they’re expanding, because they’re closing the doors. If you call that “the price of progress” well dream on.Ross.
what’s to dream about?
no one has a right to be, or stay in business, no matter how many generations have been at it before them
it’s hardly unique to transport, the same is about in most sectors.
bigr250:
Mike-C:
bigr250:
the closest thing to funny is the fact that a hard hit industry such as road haulage
Quality reply, I think not!!
It’s the haulage companies that have been put out of business by the Dentresangles & Stobarts of this world that prove my point, where have all the hundreds of small & medium sized haulage firms gone? The family busines type firms that had been in road haulage for often 4 & even 5 generations that are weekly making the pages of CM, not because they’re expanding, because they’re closing the doors. If you call that “the price of progress” well dream on.
Point is the haulage sector is not hard hit, its just changing. Smaller firms going larger ones getting larger.
bigr250:
I’m glad I’m 55 & near the back end of my working life because I don’t want to work for any of these ‘logistics providers’ with celebrity CEO’s taking home their anual multi million pound bonus, while the few remaining small hauliers who are barely making a wage are being forced to pay for all of their (often highly experienced) drivers to go through ill conceived, badly delivered & totally useless training!!!Ross.
Hope you’re supporting all your small local shops and businesses as they need all the help they can get !!
I met a senior manager today responsbile for around 150 drivers spread over the UK at various depots. i was trying to sell him DCPC
He assured me DCPC was not needed at his company as his transport managers make sure drivers are kept up to date with legislation and remain compliant.
He even showed me an example of how one of his TMs had saved the company money by altering the shift pattern of his 15 drivers to the below;
Monday 10 hour drive
Tuesday 10 hour drive
Wednesday rest
Thursday rest
Friday 10 hour drive
Saturday 10 hour drive
Apparently they have to have Wednesday and Thursday as their weekly rest so they can get the 10 hour drives in on the 4 days.
I could see what he was saying - no training needed there. God knows what the rest of the depots get up to.
yep - The CRETINS just don’t get it.
I saw today an advert from an agency giving 1 free - 7 hour dcpc training when 20 shifts had ben completed.
stevieboy308:
what’s to dream about?
Thinking that because there are more trucks than ever on the road that the business in general is in good shape.
stevieboy308:
no one has a right to be, or stay in business, no matter how many generations have been at it before themit’s hardly unique to transport, the same is about in most sectors.
Absolutely 100% correct, but I’ve never heard of shop keepers having to send all their staff for 35hrs of (totally useless) training whilst on full pay, come to think of it, I don’t know of any Tesco store manager having to have a CPC to operate his store, or loose his repute & be banned from the industry because one of his workers tipped a pallet of bog rolls over & blocked an isle in the warehouse & another worked 4 Saturdays on the trot.
Road haulage is one of the most controlled & taxed industries in the country, we are under the microscope of the police & VOSA who just want to knick anyone for anything they can, no mercy, or consideration, any ‘reason’ for anything being wrong is looked upon as an excuse and no heed will be taken.
Question, how long does it take a bulb to blow? a lot less time than it will take for a VOSA trained chimp to write out a FPN for having an inoperative light!!
Do you, or have you ever run a haulage business?? I doubt it!!
Ross.
Well I have done my 5 days of listening to B.S. I now know that a Citreon C1 is the same as a Hyundai Aigo and that I can drive a unit with the fifth wheel removed .The rest was to technical to share with you lot.As it stands the DCPC is a travesty.I would like to learn more about the industry from knowledgeable bods,on a practical course.
bigr250:
Absolutely 100% correct, but I’ve never heard of shop keepers having to send all their staff for 35hrs of (totally useless) training whilst on full pay, come to think of it, I don’t know of any Tesco store manager having to have a CPC to operate his store, or loose his repute & be banned from the industry because one of his workers tipped a pallet of bog rolls over & blocked an isle in the warehouse & another worked 4 Saturdays on the trot.Road haulage is one of the most controlled & taxed industries in the country, we are under the microscope of the police & VOSA who just want to knick anyone for anything they can, no mercy, or consideration, any ‘reason’ for anything being wrong is looked upon as an excuse and no heed will be taken.
Question, how long does it take a bulb to blow? a lot less time than it will take for a VOSA trained chimp to write out a FPN for having an inoperative light!!
Do you, or have you ever run a haulage business?? I doubt it!!
Ross.
Absolutely spot on, there is no other industry that is treated like this.
When I worked in an hgv workshop, if I wanted extra money I could do as much overtime whenever I wanted, a regular one would be the friday noon shift, into the friday night shift, followed by the saturday morning. Problem? no. broken the law to be dragged in front of someone to have my rights to work as a mechanic taken away? no!
Try that driving a truck and see what bother it can land you in!
Add in that nowadays vosa will take anyone on, they probably know less about how a truck works and drivers hours regs than most drivers! But they can decide a truck is unroadworthy, Its a joke!
The dcpc is yet another nail in the coffin of the haulage industry. It proves nothing, costs either employers or employees valuable time and money at a time when most haulage companies are feeling the pinch due to the cost of fuel.
Long live the 3.5 tonner, out of scope of O licences, tachos and the dcpc!
Turbo:
Long live the 3.5 tonner, out of scope of O licences, tachos and the dcpc!
For now 
shep532:
I met a senior manager today responsbile for around 150 drivers spread over the UK at various depots. i was trying to sell him DCPCHe assured me DCPC was not needed at his company as his transport managers make sure drivers are kept up to date with legislation and remain compliant.
He even showed me an example of how one of his TMs had saved the company money by altering the shift pattern of his 15 drivers to the below;
Monday 10 hour drive
Tuesday 10 hour drive
Wednesday rest
Thursday rest
Friday 10 hour drive
Saturday 10 hour driveApparently they have to have Wednesday and Thursday as their weekly rest so they can get the 10 hour drives in on the 4 days.
I could see what he was saying - no training needed there.
yep - The CRETINS just don’t get it.
as it happens shep. that example is now legal. (the 10 hour drive bit, not the dcpc bit)
the wording was changed not so long ago. it was about 2 weeks ago that i found out about it, i’m not saying that’s when it changed, just when i came across it.
i’ll try to remember where then post it.
i’m sure it was something to do with changes to the fixed week starting and ending between weekly rests, and not monday 00.00 to sunday 24.00.
limeyphil:
as it happens shep. that example is now legal. (the 10 hour drive bit, not the dcpc bit)
the wording was changed not so long ago. it was about 2 weeks ago that i found out about it, i’m not saying that’s when it changed, just when i came across it.
i’ll try to remember where then post it.
i’m sure it was something to do with changes to the fixed week starting and ending between weekly rests, and not monday 00.00 to sunday 24.00.
How can it be a ‘fixed’ week, if it moves to align with weekly rest?
I’m afraid I don’t believe you until you post a reference, because I’m not aware of any ‘rules’ published later than GV262-3.
limeyphil:
Shep532:
yep - The CRETINS just don’t get it.as it happens shep. that example is now legal. (the 10 hour drive bit, not the dcpc bit)
the wording was changed not so long ago. it was about 2 weeks ago that i found out about it, i’m not saying that’s when it changed, just when i came across it.
i’ll try to remember where then post it.
i’m sure it was something to do with changes to the fixed week starting and ending between weekly rests, and not monday 00.00 to sunday 24.00.
Still looks to me like they are doing four 10hr drives in the same week , if they are doing that every week
i could be wrong, but i definatly read something that made the example look legal.