Not having a D-CPC will not mean that your licence is taken away.
Drivers of fire engines, MoD vehicles etc must have an LGV licence, but they won’t need a D-CPC.
Nor will mechanics testing vehicles, nor will tradesmen carrying goods for their own use (ie a scaffolding erector carrying scaffolding) or a number of other exceptions, which are outlined on the DSA website, and have been printed in the various magazines over and over again.
But just about every other commercial driver will, including those driving 7.5-tonners on a C1 licence.
And if you are stupid enough to want to pay to sit through the same training session for 5 consecutive days in one week then the govt isn’t going to stop you…they tried to credit drivers with enough common sense to be able to choose their training topics, and the trainer that they wanted to do it with.
But there are some people who, faced with a choice, will always take the stupid option.
And some of those aren’t even bright enough to keep their stupidity to themselves.
GasGas:
And if you are stupid enough to want to pay to sit through the same training session for 5 consecutive days in one week then the govt isn’t going to stop you…they tried to credit drivers with enough common sense to be able to choose their training topics, and the trainer that they wanted to do it with.
But there are some people who, faced with a choice, will always take the stupid option.
And some of those aren’t even bright enough to keep their stupidity to themselves.
They must be cretins who just don’t get it!
Is it the stupid option, I don’t think it necessarily is.
I’m in favour of vocational training but see the current set-up as a waste of time and money.
Look at the facts, if someone wants to learn about a particular subject they can do it for free on the Internet these days so why what’s the point of sitting in a classroom for 7 hours, anyone who isn’t interested in learning isn’t going to learn just because he’s forced to sit in a classroom listening to someone who may or may not know what they’re talking about.
My advise to anyone paying for their own training would be to go for the cheapest courses they can find and study any topics they’re interested in or need to brush up on for free in their own time.
There’s plenty of approved ‘in cab’ training available (not least from most if not all truck manufacturers), or hands-on training with lorry cranes, forklifts etc
And the evidence ‘cretins’ have posted above indicate that the internet is hardly a reliable source for information, let alone training.
GasGas:
They must be cretins who just don’t get it!
FRENCH and SPANISH truckers not ring any bells! As we’ve no BALLS in this country " INGERLUND " then we bring it on ourselves! YAWN
I think you’ll find the French have had something similar to the D-CPC for years…and in France truck driving is held in rather higher view by public opinion than it is here, with roadside facilities etc to prove it.
There’s plenty of approved ‘in cab’ training available (not least from most if not all truck manufacturers), or hands-on training with lorry cranes, forklifts etc
And the evidence ‘cretins’ have posted above indicate that the internet is hardly a reliable source for information, let alone training.
Why don’t they just video their training and upload it to youtube where it’s most easily available.
How can it be justified that if the training is needed it can be delayed for a year until a training session can be attended?
Anyone, who has ever driven for me has always been well trained to safely carry out the job required. I take the view taking the same course every year us the best option of ensuring drivers receive the least amount of misinformation.
The reality is the best qualified people for providing the training are all too busy running haulage operations to be setting themselves up as DCPC trainers.
GasGas:
And if you are stupid enough to want to pay to sit through the same training session for 5 consecutive days in one week then the govt isn’t going to stop you…they tried to credit drivers with enough common sense to be able to choose their training topics, and the trainer that they wanted to do it with.
But there are some people who, faced with a choice, will always take the stupid option.
And some of those aren’t even bright enough to keep their stupidity to themselves.
They must be cretins who just don’t get it!
WARNING WARNING ---------- the following is written by a stupid person
i’m not driving trucks at the moment and haven’t done for about 18 months. whilst i’ve got no plans to leave what i’m doing now and go back driving, if it becomes the better option then i will and i’ll need a dcpc, which i’ll have to pay for myself. price, location and availability will be my priority over content. now obviously if doing adr would net me the job i’d want then adr i’d do, but i’m not going to spend a lot extra on doing adr if there’s a realistic chance i’d not use.
whilst i actually think it makes perfect sense to have on going training, but the way it has been done is means i view it as a box ticking exercise, so i might as well tick the cheapest, available and closest to me boxes, if that means getting to know a trainer and his repertoire then so be it
if keeping more money in my pocket makes me stupid, then stupid i am
The inclusion of ADR has caused a lot of excitement amongst drivers who think they’re going to get the training paid for by their current employer and be moving on to petrol tanker money.
In reality it will probably mean loads more drivers with ADR, any premium paid for drivers with it falling through the floor and a lot and it ending up being the norm for drivers to pay for the training themselves.
GasGas:
And if you are stupid enough to want to pay to sit through the same training session for 5 consecutive days in one week then the govt isn’t going to stop you…they tried to credit drivers with enough common sense to be able to choose their training topics, and the trainer that they wanted to do it with.
But there are some people who, faced with a choice, will always take the stupid option.
And some of those aren’t even bright enough to keep their stupidity to themselves.
They must be cretins who just don’t get it!
WARNING WARNING ---------- the following is written by a stupid person
i’m not driving trucks at the moment and haven’t done for about 18 months. whilst i’ve got no plans to leave what i’m doing now and go back driving, if it becomes the better option then i will and i’ll need a dcpc, which i’ll have to pay for myself. price, location and availability will be my priority over content. now obviously if doing adr would net me the job i’d want then adr i’d do, but i’m not going to spend a lot extra on doing adr if there’s a realistic chance i’d not use.
whilst i actually think it makes perfect sense to have on going training, but the way it has been done is means i view it as a box ticking exercise, so i might as well tick the cheapest, available and closest to me boxes, if that means getting to know a trainer and his repertoire then so be it
if keeping more money in my pocket makes me stupid, then stupid i am
Your choice…but bear in mind that if you try to do 35 hours all in one block at short notice because you have a job offer, the only training you can get may be
a) expensive
and
b) inappropriate
Frankly, post-2014 without DCPC you are very unlikely to be given a job offer and time to train ahead of someone who is already qualified and ready to start.
But the Govt has decided that it’s your choice…and we are all grown-ups.
GasGas:
And if you are stupid enough to want to pay to sit through the same training session for 5 consecutive days in one week then the govt isn’t going to stop you…they tried to credit drivers with enough common sense to be able to choose their training topics, and the trainer that they wanted to do it with.
But there are some people who, faced with a choice, will always take the stupid option.
And some of those aren’t even bright enough to keep their stupidity to themselves.
They must be cretins who just don’t get it!
WARNING WARNING ---------- the following is written by a stupid person
i’m not driving trucks at the moment and haven’t done for about 18 months. whilst i’ve got no plans to leave what i’m doing now and go back driving, if it becomes the better option then i will and i’ll need a dcpc, which i’ll have to pay for myself. price, location and availability will be my priority over content. now obviously if doing adr would net me the job i’d want then adr i’d do, but i’m not going to spend a lot extra on doing adr if there’s a realistic chance i’d not use.
whilst i actually think it makes perfect sense to have on going training, but the way it has been done is means i view it as a box ticking exercise, so i might as well tick the cheapest, available and closest to me boxes, if that means getting to know a trainer and his repertoire then so be it
if keeping more money in my pocket makes me stupid, then stupid i am
Your choice…but bear in mind that if you try to do 35 hours all in one block at short notice because you have a job offer, the only training you can get may be
a) expensive
and
b) inappropriate
Frankly, post-2014 without DCPC you are very unlikely to be given a job offer and time to train ahead of someone who is already qualified and ready to start.
But the Govt has decided that it’s your choice…and we are all grown-ups.
like i said, if it becomes a better option, then i’ll go and get a dcpc then go looking for a job, i’m not that stupid to do it the other way around
although, who knows if it creates a shortage, then firms might be offering to put new starters without a dcpc through just like they were putting people through the hgv tests circa 2005
so what do you suggest i do? start doing and paying for dcpc modules that i’m not planning on using at the moment, surely my idea of wait and see if it bumps wages up enough to make it appealing to me, then maybe pay a bit more or less, who knows? for the training that i will use. again if that makes me stupid, you know the rest
GasGas:
And if you are stupid enough to want to pay to sit through the same training session for 5 consecutive days in one week then the govt isn’t going to stop you…they tried to credit drivers with enough common sense to be able to choose their training topics, and the trainer that they wanted to do it with.
But there are some people who, faced with a choice, will always take the stupid option.
And some of those aren’t even bright enough to keep their stupidity to themselves.
They must be cretins who just don’t get it!
WARNING WARNING ---------- the following is written by a stupid person
i’m not driving trucks at the moment and haven’t done for about 18 months. whilst i’ve got no plans to leave what i’m doing now and go back driving, if it becomes the better option then i will and i’ll need a dcpc, which i’ll have to pay for myself. price, location and availability will be my priority over content. now obviously if doing adr would net me the job i’d want then adr i’d do, but i’m not going to spend a lot extra on doing adr if there’s a realistic chance i’d not use.
whilst i actually think it makes perfect sense to have on going training, but the way it has been done is means i view it as a box ticking exercise, so i might as well tick the cheapest, available and closest to me boxes, if that means getting to know a trainer and his repertoire then so be it
if keeping more money in my pocket makes me stupid, then stupid i am
Your choice…but bear in mind that if you try to do 35 hours all in one block at short notice because you have a job offer, the only training you can get may be
a) expensive
and
b) inappropriate
Frankly, post-2014 without DCPC you are very unlikely to be given a job offer and time to train ahead of someone who is already qualified and ready to start.
But the Govt has decided that it’s your choice…and we are all grown-ups.
like i said, if it becomes a better option, then i’ll go and get a dcpc then go looking for a job, i’m not that stupid to do it the other way around
For god’s sake make sure it’s not inappropriate training.
Fer Christs sake, it’s all TOO expensive & totally inapropriate to experienced drivers, it’s been mentioned on this thread earlier that the only people who (might) get any real world benefit from the DCPC training will be new drivers.
I passed my test in 1977 & since then have driven to & through over 12 countries carrying all kinds of cargo from steel to pottery to fresh veg, so what am I likely to learn from some 25 yr old bloke who’s never driven a truck?? All he’s done is sit in a class room and listened to theory on load security, and is trying to tell me that all I have learned over the years should be forgotten, & I’m to do it his way!!
Nonsense, & the biggest nonsense is that all you have to do in order to gain your (totally worthless) DCPC is ‘attend’ 35 hrs of training, no exams, no testing to show that you’ve learned anything, in fact you could sit out the 7hrs reading Commercial Motor & still gain your precious DCPC.
If it was really about driver training, you should have to prove you’ve actually learned something & not simply slept through the 7hrs.
Face it, the DCPC is a joke & the closest thing to funny is the fact that a hard hit industry such as road haulage is being forced to part with thousands of pounds for useless training & pay the wages of their drivers whilst wasting their time on said useless ‘training’!!!
TBH, you’d probably get more sensible advice and information by sticking some ear defenders on and reading Commercial Motor and other truck magazines instead of listening to some twerp, that thinks they’re above driving a lorry, drone on with their JAUPT approved dribble of questionably accuracy and practicality.
bigr250:
Fer Christs sake, it’s all TOO expensive & totally inapropriate to experienced drivers, it’s been mentioned on this thread earlier that the only people who (might) get any real world benefit from the DCPC training will be new drivers.
I passed my test in 1977 & since then have driven to & through over 12 countries carrying all kinds of cargo from steel to pottery to fresh veg, so what am I likely to learn from some 25 yr old bloke who’s never driven a truck?? All he’s done is sit in a class room and listened to theory on load security, and is trying to tell me that all I have learned over the years should be forgotten, & I’m to do it his way!!
Nonsense, & the biggest nonsense is that all you have to do in order to gain your (totally worthless) DCPC is ‘attend’ 35 hrs of training, no exams, no testing to show that you’ve learned anything, in fact you could sit out the 7hrs reading Commercial Motor & still gain your precious DCPC.
If it was really about driver training, you should have to prove you’ve actually learned something & not simply slept through the 7hrs.
Face it, the DCPC is a joke & the closest thing to funny is the fact that a hard hit industry such as road haulage is being forced to part with thousands of pounds for useless training & pay the wages of their drivers whilst wasting their time on said useless ‘training’!!!
A LOAD OF TESTICLES!!!
Ross.
whilst i agree with a lot of what you say, i think you’re wrong to say you wouldn’t / couldn’t learn owt regardless of the age of the trainer
Armagedon:
It is ‘claimed’ that the Spanish have a complete lack of interest in the CPC and I can understand why,it would probably help if they learnt to drive first but that is something else,imagine a ferry arriving from Spain October 2014 fully laden with Spanish lorries carrying supermarket produce
once again a load of badly informed bulls droppings
some Spanish drivers have to have the DCPC by October this year not by 2014, this has been decided and is being enforced, here in Spain the date that you have to have completed the DCPC is decided by the last number on your driving licence
The Coca Cola Kid:
I think the point the OP is trying to make is that come the cut off point,there will be a shortage of Drivers with the DCPC therefore creating a lot of head scratching.
most unlikely as this will go exactly the same way as digital tachograph cards whereby 99% of the keyboard warriors swearing by all that is holy that will not do it have probably already started their modules
The Coca Cola Kid:
I think the point the OP is trying to make is that come the cut off point,there will be a shortage of Drivers with the DCPC therefore creating a lot of head scratching.
most unlikely as this will go exactly the same way as digital tachograph cards whereby 99% of the keyboard warriors swearing by all that is holy that will not do it have probably already started their modules
Yep, VOSA are so relaxed, it’s all going to plan, they barely mention it.
Monday:
7 hours. Potty training, and not being a ■■■■■■■■ in the RDC waitingroom. Lecturer: Herr Lautmau Fickkopf.
Tuesday:
7 hours. Filling in licence checks, tacho infringement forms, gate security passes, and cashless canteen card applications. Lecturer: Frau Laad Arsche-Brille
Wednesday:
7 hours. PPM, FLT, and other depot handling equipment. Special attention given to the 'Kobayashi Maru’ scenario of providing agency cover for StapleFahrer Klaus, who’s managed to score an all time high on the RIDDORS board. Lecturer: Wilhelm Totenihm.
Thursday:
7 hours. ■■■■■■■■ in a language near you. Impressive insults in Polish, Russian, Romanian, and Czech. Also how to express yourself in sign language for all those deaf gits who can’t hear for toffeenuts, looking at how much notice gets paid to one in the depot on a serious note… Lecturer: Monsieur F.F.S. Merde-Eau.
Friday:
6 hours. Dealing with today’s financial system. Creative accounting for Transport Managers in the Blue Rosette Club. Demonstrations on how to squeeze yet more money out of the masses, maneuver hapless employees into signing up for ever-more expense, palming off company tax losses onto employee wages, convincing workers they need credit to pay for everything or the sky will fall in. Lecturer: Wathrington-Smythe Ptang-Ptang Biscuit-Barrel.
I have not read all of this but it seems the same old chest out blah blah blah attitude. All the drivers I have met the ones doing the most shouting and screaming are the ones with something to hide.
I have said this many times you come on here moaning and crying about bad information but why not complain properly instead of coming on here and trying to sound like chairman alf and stirring up a hornets nest.
The op is talking about Cm article and it says 60 complaints have been made. now that to me says it is working excellently. Thousands of drivers hours gone through and 60 complaints. I agree it needs a test but drivers being drivers will f it up forthemselfs by mouthing off in all the wrong places. When the dodgy instructor says go home after 3hrs you should complain but most will only do it here. Statistically another 7 hours passes without problems. If they introduced testing there would be more drivers fail than pass unless attitudes to learning change.
I am noticing this slowly but whatever you choose good luck.
You’ll still be going back next week! 