wot a motor im 31 and driven most of the modern stuff but id love ago in one of them a true classic come on t&d a feature on the borderer please 
There are a few people on here who can assist with the creation of such an article.
If one was to be written, I know of the ideal motor to use as a test vehicle
It really is as good as it looks - especially pulling it’s period stepframe tilt.
Carl:
wot a motor im 31 and driven most of the modern stuff but id love ago in one of them a true classic come on t&d a feature on the borderer please
Carl, I’m only 32 and my regular drive is a Borderer! Beats the modern stuff anyday!
marky:
There are a few people on here who can assist with the creation of such an article.If one was to be written, I know of the ideal motor to use as a test vehicle
It really is as good as it looks - especially pulling it’s period stepframe tilt.
If another article on the Borderer is published, lets hope the editor of the magazine knows that the cab doesn’t tilt! The last person to ask didn’t know - but then again he was a bus nutter!
marky:
It really is as good as it looks - especially pulling it’s period stepframe tilt.
Which looks like this.
Aaargh!
Im having nightmares 
A local company to me bought 20 of these Atkinsons and I can still remember rubbing the cabs down to paint them in Flame Red.
J A Holt and Sons now trading as City Plant was the company.
This company also had Scammell Crusaders, Scania and a lone Volvo
Wheel Nut:
Aaargh!Im having nightmares
J A Holt and Sons now trading as City Plant was the company.
Brian Yeardley was Transport Manager and Dave Riby was his assistant
This company also had Scammell Crusaders, Scania and a lone Volvo
killsville:
marky:
It really is as good as it looks - especially pulling it’s period stepframe tilt.Which looks like this.
It doesn’t look like that now… there have been changes since you last saw it. If we get chance, there may well be more changes before you see it again as well.
marky:
It doesn’t look like that now… there have been changes since you last saw it. If we get chance, there may well be more changes before you see it again as well.
Well get a move on - there’s only 6 weeks to the Atki Rally. I want it to look nice for the new z-beds!
Atki Rally??
Who said we were going?
Last I heard we weren’t going to it.
Carl:
wot a motor im 31 and driven most of the modern stuff but id love ago in one of them a true classic come on t&d a feature on the borderer please
And if they could find a proper driver, how about JRN 38H, as shown above on page 3■■
240 Gardner:
marky:
One of these lorries was featured in Comical Motor when new, demonstrating the unusal feature of coupling a drawbar trailer to the wagon via a fifth wheel
Now you’ve confused me 240, I remember the Foden twin-load, a rigid 8 with space at the end of the chassis for a 5th wheel on which was coupled a short semi, but an Atki?
Ah, now I see what you mean. A 5th wheel dolly. I had forgotten that there was a big debate at one time that they were illegal, constituting 2 trailers - the dolly(1) and the semi(2). Seemed like a bit of a useless debate to me. When I was bomber racing we regularly used to get pulled for pulling race cars on ambulance wheels. Same reason.
Salut, David.
marky:
Atki Rally??Who said we were going?
Last I heard we weren’t going to it.
OK then, change that from Atki rally to anywhere you fancy! What else is on?
240 Gardner:
Carl:
wot a motor im 31 and driven most of the modern stuff but id love ago in one of them a true classic come on t&d a feature on the borderer pleaseAnd if they could find a proper driver, how about JRN 38H, as shown above on page 3■■
I thought you were a proper driver! At least you were the day you brought that Killingbeck cab and reversed out of our yard with Ethel and the stepframe!
Spardo:
240 Gardner:
marky:
One of these lorries was featured in Comical Motor when new, demonstrating the unusal feature of coupling a drawbar trailer to the wagon via a fifth wheelNow you’ve confused me 240, I remember the Foden twin-load, a rigid 8 with space at the end of the chassis for a 5th wheel on which was coupled a short semi, but an Atki?
Ah, now I see what you mean. A 5th wheel dolly. I had forgotten that there was a big debate at one time that they were illegal, constituting 2 trailers - the dolly(1) and the semi(2). Seemed like a bit of a useless debate to me. When I was bomber racing we regularly used to get pulled for pulling race cars on ambulance wheels. Same reason.
Salut, David.
Nooo, not a 5th wheel dolly! A rigid with a 5th wheel coupling at the back instead of a VBG-type towing jaw, a fixed A-frame and two centre axles just like one of Bowker’s modern drawbar fleet. This was the reason it was featured in Comical Motor
killsville:
240 Gardner:
Carl:
wot a motor im 31 and driven most of the modern stuff but id love ago in one of them a true classic come on t&d a feature on the borderer pleaseAnd if they could find a proper driver, how about JRN 38H, as shown above on page 3■■
I thought you were a proper driver! At least you were the day you brought that Killingbeck cab and reversed out of our yard with Ethel and the stepframe!
Thank you! I practiced a bit after that, with 3 months’ casual weekend work on BOC, doing town centre M&S stores with 13.6m fridges. Oxford is fun - off a single-track back street into the basement and back it into a bay at right angles to the lorry! I learned a bit there…
Mind you, that was 4 years ago, and I’ve probably forgotten it all since!
W&J Riding Atki’s courtesy of Truck Magazine, July 83. Theres some other wagons in there (in particular Killibecks fleet) however not sure how well they will scan. Anyway hope you like this pair.
JTB 888P (No. 25 ) was a second-hand motor that came from Sutton of St.Helens where it was one of the rental fleet.
YTB 360N (No 58 ) was named ‘Fearless’ and was new to Riding.
Both were in the general haulage fleet when the picture was taken in 1983.
240 Gardner:
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Nooo, not a 5th wheel dolly! A rigid with a 5th wheel coupling at the back instead of a VBG-type towing jaw, a fixed A-frame and two centre axles just like one of Bowker’s modern drawbar fleet. This was the reason it was featured in Comical Motor
So that’s the same as the Foden twin Load then. Only difference was that had a genuine (but short) single axle semi. Never knew it was done to Atkis though.
Salut, David.
240 Gardner:
killsville:
240 Gardner:
Carl:
wot a motor im 31 and driven most of the modern stuff but id love ago in one of them a true classic come on t&d a feature on the borderer pleaseAnd if they could find a proper driver, how about JRN 38H, as shown above on page 3■■
I thought you were a proper driver! At least you were the day you brought that Killingbeck cab and reversed out of our yard with Ethel and the stepframe!
Thank you! I practiced a bit after that, with 3 months’ casual weekend work on BOC, doing town centre M&S stores with 13.6m fridges. Oxford is fun - off a single-track back street into the basement and back it into a bay at right angles to the lorry! I learned a bit there…
Mind you, that was 4 years ago, and I’ve probably forgotten it all since!
Here is another picture from that day!
