Weâve only balloted on 1 offer, which was rejected, next talks due 21/12
We refused 2% then 3.3% then we got this offer. But our talks coincided with the deals offered to other DCs so guess it just made sense to offer similar as a reduced offer was never going to fly. I suspect in your next round youâll get something similar offered because everyone knows the kind of deals being offered elsewhere.
3.3 was our first offer.
I see it the same as you, cut the nonsense & just offer the 6% & paid breaks, anything less will just get knocked back.
Only thing on that offer weâve already got, is the increased weekend premium, weâve had that for a couple of years now.
Weâve only balloted on 1 offer, which was rejected, next talks due 21/12
We refused 2% then 3.3% then we got this offer. But our talks coincided with the deals offered to other DCs so guess it just made sense to offer similar as a reduced offer was never going to fly. I suspect in your next round youâll get something similar offered because everyone knows the kind of deals being offered elsewhere.
3.3 was our first offer.
I see it the same as you, cut the nonsense & just offer the 6% & paid breaks, anything less will just get knocked back.
Only thing on that offer weâve already got, is the increased weekend premium, weâve had that for a couple of years now.
Agree mate. The paid breaks is actually a great hit. As I said earlier in the thread they should be standard, but if youve not got them and then you get offered them itâs actually a reasonable sum and if offered originally a lower percentage wouldâve probably been acceptable.
Iâve worked out paid breaks on standard 5 days is worth 2.5k alone.
Iâm cynical on the paid breaks at the moment. Great if you get a decent day but if you only get basic hours say 8,5 then there is no benefit apart from finishing 45 minutes earlier. Our rep who briefed us didnât know how this would work.
Dimlaith:
Iâm cynical on the paid breaks at the moment. Great if you get a decent day but if you only get basic hours say 8,5 then there is no benefit apart from finishing 45 minutes earlier. Our rep who briefed us didnât know how this would work.
Your basic day is still 9.25 hours, if you start at 6am, youâll still finish at 3.15pm but with 9.25 paid hours instead of 8.5, thatâs how I understand it anyway.
What Iâve been wondering is will overtime still be paid after 42.5 hours or will they add the 3 hours 45 mins worth of breaks onto the 42.5 hours & then start paying Ot rate
Dimlaith:
Iâm cynical on the paid breaks at the moment. Great if you get a decent day but if you only get basic hours say 8,5 then there is no benefit apart from finishing 45 minutes earlier. Our rep who briefed us didnât know how this would work.
Your basic day is still 9.25 hours, if you start at 6am, youâll still finish at 3.15pm but with 9.25 paid hours instead of 8.5, thatâs how I understand it anyway.
What Iâve been wondering is will overtime still be paid after 42.5 hours or will they add the 3 hours 45 mins worth of breaks onto the 42.5 hours & then start paying Ot rate
The issue of paid breaks should have been made clear before we voted for or against the deal. In no way am I complaining about the new deal, I am more than happy. But as always the devil is in the deal, especially where Tesco is concerned. 8.5 hrs paid x 5 = 42.5 hrs as per contract. I would just like to know how itâs going to work because I donât chase the hours. Rather bugger of home early.
Dimlaith:
Iâm cynical on the paid breaks at the moment. Great if you get a decent day but if you only get basic hours say 8,5 then there is no benefit apart from finishing 45 minutes earlier. Our rep who briefed us didnât know how this would work.
Your basic day is still 9.25 hours, if you start at 6am, youâll still finish at 3.15pm but with 9.25 paid hours instead of 8.5, thatâs how I understand it anyway.
What Iâve been wondering is will overtime still be paid after 42.5 hours or will they add the 3 hours 45 mins worth of breaks onto the 42.5 hours & then start paying Ot rate
The issue of paid breaks should have been made clear before we voted for or against the deal. In no way am I complaining about the new deal, I am more than happy. But as always the devil is in the deal, especially where Tesco is concerned. 8.5 hrs paid x 5 = 42.5 hrs as per contract. I would just like to know how itâs going to work because I donât chase the hours. Rather bugger of home early.
Youâre thinking how Iâm thinking, how are tesco going to twist this to their advantage
Your working week will still be 42.5 hours but youâll be paid 46.25 hours, thatâs what I think anyway.
I donât do loads of hours either, usually 50 at the most, rather be at home.
Dimlaith:
Iâm cynical on the paid breaks at the moment. Great if you get a decent day but if you only get basic hours say 8,5 then there is no benefit apart from finishing 45 minutes earlier. Our rep who briefed us didnât know how this would work.
Your basic day is still 9.25 hours, if you start at 6am, youâll still finish at 3.15pm but with 9.25 paid hours instead of 8.5, thatâs how I understand it anyway.
What Iâve been wondering is will overtime still be paid after 42.5 hours or will they add the 3 hours 45 mins worth of breaks onto the 42.5 hours & then start paying Ot rate
The issue of paid breaks should have been made clear before we voted for or against the deal. In no way am I complaining about the new deal, I am more than happy. But as always the devil is in the deal, especially where Tesco is concerned. 8.5 hrs paid x 5 = 42.5 hrs as per contract. I would just like to know how itâs going to work because I donât chase the hours. Rather bugger of home early.
Depending on driving time possibly the plan is so that they can juggle and dictate when and how breaks are taken to meet operational requirements so long as they are within the WTD.On the basis of who pays the piper calls the tune.
I wouldnât vote for paid breaks at least unless itâs guaranteed that there are no changes in how breaks are allowed to be taken, at the driverâs discretion ?, and based on the equivalent pay for a reduction in the overall shift length and thereby when overtime kicks in accordingly.
I just think youâll drop onto your overtime rate after 8.5hrs.
So youâll either be done 45 mis earlier or drop onto overtime rate afterwards 45 mins earlier.
My 8.5hrs ends at 10:15am atm including the 45mim break. Iâm assuming that after Feb my 8.5hrs will end at 09:30am so Iâm either done then or onto overtime premium from then.
Edit: Iâm at Southampton currently and their offer is broadly similar.
toonsy:
I just think youâll drop onto your overtime rate after 8.5hrs.
So youâll either be done 45 mis earlier or drop onto overtime rate afterwards 45 mins earlier.
Thatâs what myself and other drivers are hoping will happen. Obviously holidays will be at 8.5 hours. Seems overly generous by Tesco standards though. As I said I am a bit cynical.
toonsy:
I just think youâll drop onto your overtime rate after 8.5hrs.
So youâll either be done 45 mis earlier or drop onto overtime rate afterwards 45 mins earlier.
Thatâs what myself and other drivers are hoping will happen. Obviously holidays will be at 8.5 hours. Seems overly generous by Tesco standards though. As I said I am a bit cynical.
My rep earlier suggests that the earlier finish isnât a thing because the wording in the contract. So basically my start time of 1am means I finish/hit overtime at 10:15am (8.5hrs plus 45mins unpaid break) currently. He says under the new deal that would still be the case with the only difference being that the break will be paid so I still donât hit overtime until 10:15am.
Itâs fine because Iâm still 2.5k or whatever it is better off for the exact same hours but itâs not as generous as first seems.
toonsy:
I just think youâll drop onto your overtime rate after 8.5hrs.
So youâll either be done 45 mis earlier or drop onto overtime rate afterwards 45 mins earlier.
Thatâs what myself and other drivers are hoping will happen. Obviously holidays will be at 8.5 hours. Seems overly generous by Tesco standards though. As I said I am a bit cynical.
My rep earlier suggests that the earlier finish isnât a thing because the wording in the contract. So basically my start time of 1am means I finish/hit overtime at 10:15am (8.5hrs plus 45mins unpaid break) currently. He says under the new deal that would still be the case with the only difference being that the break will be paid so I still donât hit overtime until 10:15am.
Itâs fine because Iâm still 2.5k or whatever it is better off for the exact same hours but itâs not as generous as first seems.
There has to be a catch.Otherwise why not just leave it as unpaid breaks but increase the standard hourly rate to get the same result.It would be interesting to know if breaks and how they are taken at present, are dictated by management.
If not I can foresee a dictated split break, or flexible break times, regime to meet âoperational requirementsâ for example under that deal.
Especially if warehouse work is planned to be a large factor for drivers.
Thereâs no real upside to unpaid breaks unless it just means a shorter overall shift length and resulting overtime rate threshold brought forward.
As opposed to more scope for the employer to dictate the break regime being that breaks are now âon the employerâs timeâ.
toonsy:
I just think youâll drop onto your overtime rate after 8.5hrs.
So youâll either be done 45 mis earlier or drop onto overtime rate afterwards 45 mins earlier.
Thatâs what myself and other drivers are hoping will happen. Obviously holidays will be at 8.5 hours. Seems overly generous by Tesco standards though. As I said I am a bit cynical.
My rep earlier suggests that the earlier finish isnât a thing because the wording in the contract. So basically my start time of 1am means I finish/hit overtime at 10:15am (8.5hrs plus 45mins unpaid break) currently. He says under the new deal that would still be the case with the only difference being that the break will be paid so I still donât hit overtime until 10:15am.
Itâs fine because Iâm still 2.5k or whatever it is better off for the exact same hours but itâs not as generous as first seems.
Yeah, thatâs as I thought it would be, Tesco were never going to shorten the shift length.
The paid breaks is good of course. However, it does raise the question why it was okay for a driver to be taking breaks here there and everywhere, sometimes at night, without proper facilities and not getting paid for it for all the years that went before. The more cynical among us may say, reality is, it is a way of giving drivers a pay increase without giving the same benefit to the warehouse.
