svenkyek:
Hi Dave,i read your Article and have a Question ? Is Tata a Indien Company and createt
to Cars and more ? I read in a Newspaper in Germany a famed and biggest Steel-Boss
from Indien life in London.With Name Lital or maby other.Bye Sven
…You mean Lakshmi Mittal one of the wealthiest men in the world, not very popular in France.
roadrunner:
svenkyek:
Hi Dave,i read your Article and have a Question ? Is Tata a Indien Company and createt
to Cars and more ? I read in a Newspaper in Germany a famed and biggest Steel-Boss
from Indien life in London.With Name Lital or maby other.Bye Sven
…You mean Lakshmi Mittal one of the wealthiest men in the world, not very popular in France.
The idea of the global free market economy is a contrary to the idea of national borders and national interests.The French know that but just like us and the US they haven’t got the bottle to make sure that domestic industry can’t be sold into foreign ownership and totally close their borders to imports of anything which they can produce for themselves.Without those type of trade barriers we’re effectively being bled dry by a form of foreign aid in which we’re giving away our own wealth and wealth creation to our foreign competition.
svenkyek:
Hi Dave,i read your Article and have a Question ? Is Tata a Indien Company and createt
to Cars and more ? I read in a Newspaper in Germany a famed and biggest Steel-Boss
from Indien life in London.With Name Lital or maby other.Bye Sven
Hi Sven,
Tata is owned mainly by the Tata family and as far as I know are a separate Indian conglomerate to
Lakshmi Mittal who has just purchased some of Tarmac-Lafarge concrete plants etc.
Cheers Dave.
Carryfast:
limeyphil:
Carryfast:
kr79:
Place I used to work was next to a scrap yard he had container motors in and out all day loading scrap.
Loads of British rubbish is been exported now for power stations in holland and belguim.
I know it’s a drop in the ocean but shouldn’t we be building these power stations rather than keep relying on coal gas etc which is only going to get more expensive.Coal fired power stations burn coal not coal gas.Coal gas was used for domestic gas supplies before the North Sea Gas replaced it.
The problem is that we don’t have coal gas anymore since they closed the mines and converted the whole supply system over to natural gas from the North Sea which they’ve now used up and flogged off so we’re now a net importer of coal and domestic gas.Whereas before we were self sufficient in both but that didn’t suit Thatcher because she preferred the idea paying foreign suppliers than to pay our own people to provide for ourselves.Thereby adding to the balance of payments deficit and national debt.not quite true.
we have loads of gas rigs of the coast of blackpool, we also have four onshore rigs, and hundreds of others throughout the uk.
you are right about them flogging it abroad though.decc.gov.uk/assets/decc/11/s … elease.pdf
The fact remains we’re now a net importer of energy which includes gas and coal whereas we were self sufficient in coal and coal derived domestic gas.That was until the idiots made us dependent on imported natural gas instead of domestically produced coal and coal gas.That trade deficit is being paid for using printed and borrowed foreign money which has to be paid back with interest but we aren’t producing anything to pay for it all.
Thatcher seems to have been an economic ■■■■■■ who had the intelligence of the average 10 year old.Or maybe she was actually working for the foreign competition to put Britain out of the frame.
i am still surprised at the amount of people that think thatcher was the best thing to happen to this country.
you’re right, we were self sufficient. plenty of gas,oil, and coal.
the way it works now, is all the gas and oil is sold on the open market to buyers around the world, then we have to buy it back. the coal is now imported, but why when we have so much of our own?
the answer is we have a spineless gutless government that work for themselves rather than the people they represent. this is the cause of high fuel prices. the russian government don’t [zb] about.
Maybe the British public should think before they whine about “giving” India a few million in aid payments that are to stop in 2015.
Funny how just after announcing this “great” saving to the tax payer TATA annonce that they will be opening a Jaguar/Landrover assembly plant in China and now cutting steel jobs in the UK.
How much in tax revenue and jobs will this cut in "aid " cost the UK?
How bloody short sighted are the people in this country.It was a case of good will now because of British stupidity and greed we could lose up to 20000 jobs.TATA have transformed Jaguar and Landrover which were dying companies (and british steel come to that) and due to petty mindedness on our part they will slowly but surely be transferred overseas.Another great British triumph.
The Indian company TATA had to explain why it was creating jobs in the UK while India has massive unemployment.They coulkd justify this by pointing to the small amount of aid that the UK donated to the sub continent as a good reason but now thats gone they will be under pressure to provide employment in Asia as the reason to set up business here has been withdrawn.Stupid or what?
How much in tax revenue and jobs will this cut in "aid " cost the UK?
How bloody short sighted are the people in this country.It was a case of good will now because of British stupidity and greed we could lose up to 20000 jobs.TATA have transformed Jaguar and Landrover which were dying companies (and british steel come to that) and due to petty mindedness on our part they will slowly but surely be transferred overseas.Another great British triumph.
Total crap!
The Indian governement had been saying for several years that they did not want or need British charity.
del949:
How much in tax revenue and jobs will this cut in "aid " cost the UK?
How bloody short sighted are the people in this country.It was a case of good will now because of British stupidity and greed we could lose up to 20000 jobs.TATA have transformed Jaguar and Landrover which were dying companies (and british steel come to that) and due to petty mindedness on our part they will slowly but surely be transferred overseas.Another great British triumph.
Total crap!
The Indian governement had been saying for several years that they did not want or need British charity.
Yes no doubt what the assembly line workers said at Halewood when the company said that the production in China of Range Rovers was only for the Asian markets.Problem is that 70% of production at Halewood is for Asian markets.Get your head out the ■■■■■ on page 3 and open your soddin eyes eh!
Goldfinger:
From all the stories I was told when they reopened Redcar, it was only temporary (long-ish term - but still TEMORARY).Everyone was kidding themselves that it was opening again ‘forever’. The media bigged it up so much it was ■■■■■■■ me off, no one could see the ‘bigger picture’.
No offence but, how many people out there went and got a mortgage, finance etc, thinking they’re set for life now?
I’m not a betting man, but this time I bet Redcar WILL follow in closure.
Sorry if I’ve offended anyone, but heavy industry in this country is finished. I’d say due to fuel, taxes, and the 'environ-‘mentalists’.
As someone’s just said on here, you get yourself to India, do they give a **** about the environment? NO, they just want to feed themselves, and get on in life.
Ranting again…
Got to agree with that.
Maybe I’m being cynical, but when Tata bought Lackenby site/Corus steelworks, I thought at that time they only wanted it to learn how to make good steel. A few years on Tata build a couple of massive blast furnaces in India and start steel production over there, now they know how to do it properly.
So then Lackenby is back up for sale, job done for Tata, and SSI buy it.
It can’t be cost effective for SSI to ship all the output from Lackenby back to the homeland.
How long before SSI build their own blast furnaces in Thailand and stick Lackenby back up for sale?
No idea what you mean by the Halewood comments in this context.
But to suggest that Jaguar etc is being transfered to China etc as a a result of Britain withdrawing aid ( which India has been saying for years that it didn’t want) is totally wrong.
The foreign aid paid to India was paid more to keep a balance in our relations between India and Pakistan (which does want the aid) to ensure that they both felt equally valued by Britain as allies and that we were not favouring one above the other.
I don’t know, but I guess that a large “persuasion” has been offered by China to companies that are high end product manufacturers to relocate there.
Much the same as Britain to foreign investors at one stage with tax and other breaks etc.
Do they still have ■■■■■ on page three?
A few years on Tata build a couple of massive blast furnaces in India and start steel production over there, now they know how to do it properly.
I don’t know if these are the same furnaces but I was reading yesterday that some furnaces in India may be closed down owing to lack of iron ore, as mining the ore has been banned in large areas of Goa.
del949:
No idea what you mean by the Halewood comments in this context.But to suggest that Jaguar etc is being transfered to China etc as a a result of Britain withdrawing aid ( which India has been saying for years that it didn’t want) is totally wrong.
The foreign aid paid to India was paid more to keep a balance in our relations between India and Pakistan (which does want the aid) to ensure that they both felt equally valued by Britain as allies and that we were not favouring one above the other.I don’t know, but I guess that a large “persuasion” has been offered by China to companies that are high end product manufacturers to relocate there.
Much the same as Britain to foreign investors at one stage with tax and other breaks etc.Do they still have ■■■■■ on page three?
Maybe you could clarify the difference between “aid” “persuasion” “tax breaks” seems to me they are all much the same thing think it used to be called “you scratch my back” etc or greasing the wheels
A few years on Tata build a couple of massive blast furnaces in India and start steel production over there, now they know how to do it properly.
I don’t know if these are the same furnaces but I was reading yesterday that some furnaces in India may be closed down owing to lack of iron ore, as mining the ore has been banned in large areas of Goa.
Maybe you could clarify the difference between “aid” “persuasion” “tax breaks” seems to me they are all much the same thing think it used to be called “you scratch my back” etc or greasing the wheels
aid ---- finance given to a country, not necessarily intended to cause that country to invest in the donor country
persuasion/ tax breaks… bribe given to a company,strictly intended to get that company to invest in the donor country
Bking:
Maybe the British public should think before they whine about “giving” India a few million in aid payments that are to stop in 2015.
Funny how just after announcing this “great” saving to the tax payer TATA annonce that they will be opening a Jaguar/Landrover assembly plant in China and now cutting steel jobs in the UK.How much in tax revenue and jobs will this cut in "aid " cost the UK?
How bloody short sighted are the people in this country.It was a case of good will now because of British stupidity and greed we could lose up to 20000 jobs.TATA have transformed Jaguar and Landrover which were dying companies (and british steel come to that) and due to petty mindedness on our part they will slowly but surely be transferred overseas.Another great British triumph.
The Indian company TATA had to explain why it was creating jobs in the UK while India has massive unemployment.They coulkd justify this by pointing to the small amount of aid that the UK donated to the sub continent as a good reason but now thats gone they will be under pressure to provide employment in Asia as the reason to set up business here has been withdrawn.Stupid or what?
Firstly India isn’t in the business of looking after any one but itself.The reason why they wanted to get involved with British industry like many other developing countries is to get hold of the intellectual rights and know how which they haven’t got themselves.
What’s happened at Jaguar is a reflection of the global free market economy in action.British investment,jobs,and engineering know how being given away as a form of foreign aid to make less developed countries better off at the expense of our own.What was actually needed was import trade barriers through the 1970’s-1980’s to keep out the German competition so customers had the choice of buy British built Jaguars or go without.If anyone overseas then wanted one they had the choice of buy it from us built here or zb off.However countries like China had nothing to pay us with to buy any anyway without us effectively giving them the money first by investing money earn’t here over there and importing stuff from them that we don’t need because we can make it all for ourselves.
We’re now in the position of making Jaguars for the Russians and the Chinese etc while our own people can’t even afford to run a Corsa and now to add insult to injury the Chinese are saying if we want to sell Jaguars to them then they have to be built there not here.The question is who gains from all this and why is the Brit government be so keen to throw the country’s interests away unlike the days when Jaguars,amongst other manufactured goods made for both the domestic and export markets,were made here keeping British jobs for British workers while Ford US was told if they want to sell cars here then they’d have to be made here. 
.The Brit government is a corrupt joke.
del949:
Maybe you could clarify the difference between “aid” “persuasion” “tax breaks” seems to me they are all much the same thing think it used to be called “you scratch my back” etc or greasing the wheels
aid ---- finance given to a country, not necessarily intended to cause that country to invest in the donor country
persuasion/ tax breaks… bribe given to a company,strictly intended to get that company to invest in the donor country
Why would a country with our manufacturing know how and capacity need investment from places like India and where did poverty ridden countries like India and China etc get the money from to ‘invest’ back here anyway .
The whole bs global free market scenario is proof that Shore was correct and all governments here since at least the mid 1970’s are a corrupt bunch of tossers working against the coutry’s interests.
Why would a country with our manufacturing know how and capacity need investment from places like India and where did poverty ridden countries like India and China
i didn’t metion India or China in my description of aid v bribes, I was thinking along the lines of Toyota, Nissan and Honda plants.
The Indian company TATA had to explain why it was creating jobs in the UK while India has massive unemployment.They coulkd justify this by pointing to the small amount of aid that the UK donated to the sub continent as a good reason but now thats gone they will be under pressure to provide employment in Asia as the reason to set up business here has been withdrawn.Stupid or what?
Can you link to evidence of this claim?
In my limited knowledge of Tata and India I was under the impression that the Tata company is powerful enough to do eaxactly as it wants regardless of government wishes.
And I repeat, the British gov only cut the aid to india after India repeatedly said it did not want it.
In fact aid is still being given and will be for (I think)another 2 years.
del949:
Why would a country with our manufacturing know how and capacity need investment from places like India and where did poverty ridden countries like India and China
i didn’t metion India or China in my description of aid v bribes, I was thinking along the lines of Toyota, Nissan and Honda plants.
I don’t think that really matters del.The important bit is that those foreign manufacturers aren’t in it for our benefit they are in it to benefit their home countries.The fact is we’d have been a lot better off,and would have kept a far bigger proportion of our previous manufacturing base,and it’s workforce employed,by using trade barriers,in regards to imports of foreign goods which we could produce for ourselves and the banning of foreign ownership of British manufacturing industries and infrastructure.The fact is we’ve got a totally opposite economic policy to that and an economy which reflects that.
Bking:
.Problem is that 70% of production at Halewood is for Asian markets.
So by carrying out production abroad…
The product is knocked out at half the price plus there’s no high import tax to pay, twice as many people can afford them than before, the brand loses it’s prestigious status, the brand is cheapened, sales drop.
Doing a Loius Vitton or Burberry springs to mind. Once presigious brands for the exclusive use of the wealthy.
Until they sold-out and started putting their brand names on anything and everything, then they became a bit chav.
Even though there’s a stupidly high import tax on these Range Rovers (the reason they want to build them there), sales into that market remain strong. That’s good for us, why move production abroad?
Anyone seen ‘the other thread’?
Afetr reading it, I’m not surprised this is happening, could this be the start of ‘something’ bigger?
Painful to read BUT ■■■■ true!
Just wondering who’ll be next?..
cieranc:
Bking:
.Problem is that 70% of production at Halewood is for Asian markets.So by carrying out production abroad…
The product is knocked out at half the price plus there’s no high import tax to pay, twice as many people can afford them than before, the brand loses it’s prestigious status, the brand is cheapened, sales drop.
Doing a Loius Vitton or Burberry springs to mind. Once presigious brands for the exclusive use of the wealthy.
Until they sold-out and started putting their brand names on anything and everything, then they became a bit chav.Even though there’s a stupidly high import tax on these Range Rovers (the reason they want to build them there), sales into that market remain strong. That’s good for us, why move production abroad?
What it actually shows is that all the bs about opening up markets for British products in developing countries won’t work because while our markets are open to cheap imports their’s are closed to our exports unless we produce them there which is effectively a type of trade barrier in their favour.In which case we lose out twice because our imports add to the trade deficit while our so called ‘exports’ just create employment for low paid foreign workers.The Range Rover was actually an affordable classless product when it originally started out just like the Land Rover and employed loads of British workers on the basis of strong domestic sales and if anyone wanted one in foreign markets then we made it here for export not locally in those markets.Just like Jaguars and Triumphs.
