Tankers

[wheel_nut]

NZ JAMIE:

There you go, we are all happy now, Carryfast has got his product name, me and Dave have our EAC and the UN number is the same as everywhere else

Not so sure about the wisdom of turning the diamonds when nominally empty though.

[chris_webb]

As far as I remember hazard boards had to be displayed until the tank had been steamed out/purged of the product last carried.Flammable vapour is heavier than air and lies in the bottom of the tank and is an explosive mixture waiting for ignition,i.e. vapour + oxygen + ignition = bang.Take any one of those three away and no bang.However the red flammable diamond labels were a permanent fixture on the tank when I was on them in the 60s and 70s so it will have changed since then I suppose.
Those 4-axled Isuzu and Volvo tractor units look impressive Jamie .Just a bit more impressive than my old MK3 AEC being steamed out at Arrow Bulk in Hull.Wheelnut Malc will know this place.

[altitude]

What a lovely old girl she is.

[wheel_nut]

IBL were still using that wash bay like that Chris the last time I cleaned there

Here is another than, nicked from a company in Liverpool.

[chris_webb]

I remember Mills as well.I don’t suppose they are still going.That’s a great picture Malc.
I must add that the photo taken at Arrow Bulk is one of Peter Davies,taken around 1968/9.The AEC MK3 fleet 137,was ex Shell-Mex and BP,a Sheffield based motor and was working out of BP Saltend at the time.It was replaced by a MK5 and sent back on tramping work in 1969 and was the first MK3 I drove when I started at Evans.You can still see “Easthaugh Brothers Ltd” on the back of the other tanker which would more than likely be an AEC or Foden.Arrow ran a very clean and tidy fleet.

[flatman001]

Chris Webb:
I remember Mills as well.I don’t suppose they are still going.That’s a great picture Malc.
I must add that the photo taken at Arrow Bulk is one of Peter Davies,taken around 1968/9.The AEC MK3 fleet 137,was ex Shell-Mex and BP,a Sheffield based motor and was working out of BP Saltend at the time.It was replaced by a MK5 and sent back on tramping work in 1969 and was the first MK3 I drove when I started at Evans.You can still see “Easthaugh Brothers Ltd” on the back of the other tanker which would more than likely be an AEC or Foden.Arrow ran a very clean and tidy fleet.

The photo is one of Arthur Ingrams Chris, it was taken in June 1969. I purchased a copy of it from him along with a large number of other photos in the late 80s early 90s when he still lived at 73 Nags Head Road, Enfield.

[chris_webb]

flatman001:

Chris Webb:
I remember Mills as well.I don’t suppose they are still going.That’s a great picture Malc.
I must add that the photo taken at Arrow Bulk is one of Peter Davies,taken around 1968/9.The AEC MK3 fleet 137,was ex Shell-Mex and BP,a Sheffield based motor and was working out of BP Saltend at the time.It was replaced by a MK5 and sent back on tramping work in 1969 and was the first MK3 I drove when I started at Evans.You can still see “Easthaugh Brothers Ltd” on the back of the other tanker which would more than likely be an AEC or Foden.Arrow ran a very clean and tidy fleet.

The photo is one of Arthur Ingrams Chris, it was taken in June 1969. I purchased a copy of it from him along with a large number of other photos in the late 80s early 90s when he still lived at 73 Nags Head Road, Enfield.

I forgot it was one of Arthur Ingram’s photos John.It was in one of the magazines last year I think and I remember the wagon very well.

[dieseldave]

NZ JAMIE:
G’day Diesel Dave,
Yeah mate we have DG markings on tankers carrying Dangers Goods,it must be a world wide standard,Petrol being ‘1203’. I’m not sure what the MAN is carting,it can’t be DG though as there is no placarding on the truck.
Found some fuel tankers for you mate,I reckon the Isusu is empty because the diamond sign on the front is blank and you supposed to turn them over when your empty,
but the Volvo should be loaded as the diamond is turned. As for the ERF,well you guess is as good as mine,It looks empty to me and it’s just come out of a workshop,but the diamond would indicate full.

G’day NZ JAMIE, You’re spot-on about petrol being UN 1203 worldwide.

And what can I say about those pics?? FANTASTIC, thanks very much!!
Could I be a pain and ask for a closer side-view of the side marking please ? and maybe a rear marking too??

You NZ guys use EACs in the same way that the UK does, (Eg. 3YE goes with UN 1203) but we don’t put a diamond on the front. (Loaded or empty.)
Our tanker markings must remain in place at all times, unless we have been to the tankwash and are certified as ‘risk-free.’ In that case, all markings must be removed or completely covered.
The UN Class diamonds are the same worldwide too, so there’s no difference between yours and ours.

In the UK (for domestic traffic) we mark tankers carrying dangerous goods like this:

Front marking = reflective orange board 40cm X 30cm:

The guy above is carrying Hydrochloric Acid, so he also needs these on two sides and the rear 70cm X 40cm:

This guy is marked for Propane

And this guy is carrying something really 'orrible, cos it needs all three diamonds:

That’s covered domestic UK tankering.
When we go to Europe, there’s a completely different marking system, but the diamonds remain the same and are still put on two sides plus the rear.
On the front and rear, we need the orange plate, but because it’s on a tanker, it needs numbers on it:

The numbers in the top half of the European boards relate to the UN Class being carried (and would also indicate seconday hazards,) so the “30” means a UN Class three substance that’s not particularly dangerous. Under that system, petrol gets the code “33” so that means a UN Class 3 substance with an increased hazard. My way of teaching this is to tell the class that a double digit means a double danger, so it turns the meaning from a flammable liquid to a highly flammable liquid. The Hydrochloric Acid would have a board with “80” in the top half.

Here’s a Euro board for UN 1230 Methanol:

The “33” = highly flammable liquid and the “6” means Toxic secondary hazard.

Here’s the UK way of carrying Methanol:

I’ll own-up to having made the last two pics in Photoshop, cos I needed them for teaching purposes.

Just to show you that some folks get a bit confused, here’s a guy who can’t make up his mind what he’s doing:
He should never have been allowed out of the place he loaded, and faces a fine and prohibition if the cops saw him.

You can read our discussion about this here:
Tanker drivers: beware of markings grief (with pics) - THE UK PROFESSIONAL DRIVERS FORUM (INTERACTIVE) - Trucknet UK

Now you’ll see where I got the idea for my avatar.

[tanker_driver]

sad stiller:

Driven by Mick Milburn out of Bell Street, Oldham
Good friend of my dads (Wally) is 'Mick Milburn, my dad cant remember Mick diving anything else but Petrol Tankers!

Driven By Roger Fairbrother out of Cadishead

Driven by Ste out of Cadishead

Driven by Peter Hatch out of Bell Street, Oldham

Driven by Tony Wallace out of Bell Street, Oldham

DAF 95 driven by Bob Sharp out of Bell Street, Oldham

[tanker_driver]

sad stiller:

Driven by Mick Milburn out of Bell Street, Oldham
Good friend of my dads (Wally) is Mick Milburn, my dad cant remember him driving anything else but Petrol Tankers, would be good to know how long Mick as been a Petrolhead!

Driven By Roger Fairbrother out of Cadishead

Driven by Ste out of Cadishead

Driven by Peter Hatch out of Bell Street, Oldham

Driven by Tony Wallace out of Bell Street, Oldham

DAF 95 driven by Bob Sharp out of Bell Street, Oldham

[sad_stiller]

hiya tanker driver,

micks my dad he was on chemicals before going on petrol,he used to work for j l townson before they got bought out by sadler tankers,who then got bought out by stillers who then got bought out by imperial tankers were he is still on the petro plus contact,

he retires on fri 13th nov 09,nice date to retire on lol

ps whats your dads second name & i"ll let him know cheers justin

[tanker_driver]

sad stiller:
hiya tanker driver,

micks my dad he was on chemicals before going on petrol,he used to work for j l townson before they got bought out by sadler tankers,who then got bought out by stillers who then got bought out by imperial tankers were he is still on the petro plus contact,

he retires on fri 13th nov 09,nice date to retire on lol

ps whats your dads second name & i"ll let him know cheers justin

G’Day Justin,
My dads name is Billy Walton, everyone calls him ‘Wally’, he lives in Lees, Oldham. My grandad worked as a Tanker Driver for Cowburn and Cooper at Trafford Park, and I think he worked with your dad for a while in the late 70s, probably not for the same company, but out of the same depot! My Grandad finished working at Seddon Atkinson in Oldham, before he retired. My dad is currently driving for NFT in Whitefield, but before that, he spent 22 Years at Lowfields/Tibbett & Britten at Stakehill, Middleton (Sainsburys). I’ve followed in the same footsteps as your dad, I’ve been a Tanker Driver for the past 10 Years…Started at 21 with Shell Direct, then I did ADR Agency work around the company at different Oil Terminals for different companies, then I did 3 Years at Morrisons Supermarket Fuels at Bramhall Oil Terminal before moving to New Zealand and working for BP for the past 3 Years. My Grandad, who sadly passed away last year, always told me I’d end up like your dad, Tanker Driving all my life!!!
Tell Your Dad I also know Dave Williams who works for Petroplus, if he gets the chance would be great to hear from Dave after so many years!

[sad_stiller]

Tanker Driver:

sad stiller:
hiya tanker driver,

micks my dad he was on chemicals before going on petrol,he used to work for j l townson before they got bought out by sadler tankers,who then got bought out by stillers who then got bought out by imperial tankers were he is still on the petro plus contact,

he retires on fri 13th nov 09,nice date to retire on lol

ps whats your dads second name & i"ll let him know cheers justin

G’Day Justin,
My dads name is Billy Walton, everyone calls him ‘Wally’, he lives in Lees, Oldham. My grandad worked as a Tanker Driver for Cowburn and Cooper at Trafford Park, and I think he worked with your dad for a while in the late 70s, probably not for the same company, but out of the same depot! My Grandad finished working at Seddon Atkinson in Oldham, before he retired. My dad is currently driving for NFT in Whitefield, but before that, he spent 22 Years at Lowfields/Tibbett & Britten at Stakehill, Middleton (Sainsburys). I’ve followed in the same footsteps as your dad, I’ve been a Tanker Driver for the past 10 Years…Started at 21 with Shell Direct, then I did ADR Agency work around the company at different Oil Terminals for different companies, then I did 3 Years at Morrisons Supermarket Fuels at Bramhall Oil Terminal before moving to New Zealand and working for BP for the past 3 Years. My Grandad, who sadly passed away last year, always told me I’d end up like your dad, Tanker Driving all my life!!!
Tell Your Dad I also know Dave Williams who works for Petroplus, if he gets the chance would be great to hear from Dave after so many years!

i"ll ask him to pass that address on to dave for you scott,

my dads on nights working out of bramhall now with dave

[flatman001]

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[chris_webb]

Nice pictures John.I like the Lancashire Tar Distillers (Lanstar) ERF.
Anybody know what happened to this lot,Leathers Chemicals from Bradford?

[james_bateman]

Love that BP Scammell Tipit.
Great stuff.

[sammyopisite]

Chris Webb:
Nice pictures John.I like the Lancashire Tar Distillers (Lanstar) ERF.
Anybody know what happened to this lot,Leathers Chemicals from Bradford?

Chris I am not sure what happened to Leathers but I know there was quite a few ex-Leathers drivers at Sykes when I started in the mid 70s and they told different tales so I was never sure what happened.

[stanfield]

I think Leathers became part of the Hays Chemical group who later became Albion Chemicals and are now Brentag UK.

[sniffy]

One of the Hays Oleum tanks that ran from St Helens until the plant closed around 2000ish

[stanfield]

Hi Sniffy.Did you work for Hays Chemicals or one of the other tanker companys.St Helens closed in 2002/03.