anyone know where I can download a copy of the tacho test that they give to new and agy drivers. the one that has the blank analogue tacho on it and asks you to fill in the blanks etc
Ive got an arguement to settle with a non hgv driver who hasnt got a clue about tachos and who thinks that they can walk into a 7.5T job c/w digi
Just make one up your self, photo copy a tacho and provide a scenario to fill it in 
If not i can probably scan one of mine and blank out the middle if that would help
I have boxes of tachos, No I need the actual form as this person has NO actual knowledge of either the relevant laws, or experience of driving anything bigger than a car.
Im trying to make a point that this person shouldnt be actively looking for work without making the effort to learn the above and blindly walking into a situation that they have no real knowledge of.
If I have a copy of the form then I can give them the chance to see one upfront
Does this help…
OK Question !
We have been told NOT to write on the tacho face ! as its now illegal?
like you have done i always wrote “SWD” & “EWD” (start/end working day) but been told to stop doing this , even the tacho envelopes we have now only have a start time and a end time no longer has driving hours and rest hours !
any thoughts ■■?
somewhere on the forum, recently , was a post with a link to the authorities hand book on tachos. This stated that it is legal to write antwhere on a tacho as long as you don’t interefere with anty traces etc.
had a quick look but can’t find it now.
del949:
somewhere on the forum, recently , was a post with a link to the authorities hand book on tachos. This stated that it is legal to write antwhere on a tacho as long as you don’t interefere with anty traces etc.
had a quick look but can’t find it now.
thats correct if you have gone over a bit you can explain why on the front if you get stopped by the police they can also sign the front
Fallmonk:
OK Question !
We have been told NOT to write on the tacho face ! as its now illegal?
like you have done i always wrote “SWD” & “EWD” (start/end working day) but been told to stop doing this , even the tacho envelopes we have now only have a start time and a end time no longer has driving hours and rest hours !
any thoughts ■■?
We need coffeeholic on this one me thinks 
PS - or tachograph 
As already said, in the UK it’s legal to write on the chart front as long as you don’t interfere with the trace.
I could be wrong but I understand that writing on the front of the chart could be a problem if you drive in other country’s.
The form peirre is referring to is the one that they give you to fill in when registering at an agency, it shows a blank chart and give a scenario for an imaginary trip and asks you to fill in the chart accordingly.
To be honest I always thought they made these form up themselves, I wasn’t aware you could download them.
tachograph:
As already said, in the UK it’s legal to write on the chart front as long as you don’t interfere with the trace.
it actually shows the manually entered start/finish lines on the example in the GV262 download below
Thanks to geebee45 for sending me a copy of both the questions and answers
I`ve also been down to the VOSA testing station in Sheffield and got hold of a copy of the drivers hours publication GV262 from them this can also be downloaded for free here http://www.vosa.gov.uk/vosacorp/repository/GV262%20Jan%202008.pdf
ROG
Thick line
Driving
Isn’t that a wee bit judgemental?
One of the firms that I do work for try to insist that you draw SDR/EDR or SWD/EWD (whatever) lines on the charts but, as I work for other companies and, could forseeably cross the water, albeit unlikely other than to take a minibus over to Calais for a shopping trip, I refuse to do it. I simply write the times on the reverse of the chart.
It’s effectively VOSA re-writing the Regulations to meet their own wishes. Whilst I’m not au fait with the current GV 262, certainly in older versions, there was a paragraph that commenced “Drivers should…” but having just checked the 7/2003 revision, it appears that it was dropped from that print run. However, it does still state that, in relation to manual entries, “they can be made anywhere on the chart provided they are clear and do not obliterate other recordings.” Which is all well and good for persons working solely within the U.K. and, appears to comply with the ‘spirit’ of the EU Regs but, as we have been made aware, other enforcement authorities interpret those same Regs differently.
The clue in the older version, with the blue cover, was that whilst every other paragraph seemed to commence with either the word ‘must’ or the word ‘required’, in the first line, the particular paragraph in question contained the word ‘should’. “Should” being Civil Service speak for what we would like you to do but can’t do bugger all about if you don’t.
Which, then, probably influenced the structure of the FTA wallchart which some companies still treat as ‘gospel’.
peirre:
anyone know where I can download a copy of the tacho test that they give to new and agy drivers. the one that has the blank analogue tacho on it and asks you to fill in the blanks etcI
ve got an arguement to settle with a non hgv driver who hasnt got a clue about tachos and who thinks that they can walk into a 7.5T job c/w digi
Here’s what’s included on most agency tests in no order. (answers in red)
How many hours can you drive in a day?
9
How many hours can you drive in a fortnight?
90
Must a rest period must be taken after 3, 4 or 4.5 hours driving?
4.5
How many days charts must you retain?
28
How many times in a week can you take a reduced daily rest?
3
How many times in a week can you extend the daily driving time?
2
You get into the vehicle and the tachograph is defective, what must you do?
Keep a manual record and report the defect as soon as possible
What is the minimum weekly rest?
24 hours
On 21/1/08 Barry Tozer is sent by the Agency to R.Sole Transport in Smethwick, starting at 10 am. He is given the vehicle EG04 ABC and trailer number 20. The mileage is 123400. He then goes and does some local deliveries and returns back to the yard at Smethwick at 4pm and ends his duty. The mileage is 123500. Please complete a tachograph for this days work.
You go and do a run which normally takes 7 hours. During that time, there is an accident and you’re sent on a 30 mile detour which is heavily congested. The detour takes 2 hours and you continue on the days work however because of the time taken with the detour, you would have to run over your daily driving time by 5 minutes to get back to the yard. What do you do?
Return to the yard recording the reason for the violation on the rear of the chart or on a printout
John goes out on a delivery. He spends 30 minutes checking the vehicle and restraining the load. He then drives for 2 hours and then spends 2 hours unloading. How long can he then drive for before he needs to take a break?
1.5 hours as he needs to take a 30 minute break under the WTD 6 hours work rule
Dave is on a run. He drives 2 hours and takes a 30 minute break. He then drives a further 2.5 hours and stops for another break. How long is the minimum this break must be?
30 minutes. The last break of a split rest must be at least 30 minutes
How many hours can you drive in a week?
56
In addition to that, there’s questions on the highway code including speed limits. Ask him what the speed limit is for a 7.5 tonner on a single carriage A road in a national speed limit. If he answers 60, laugh at him. Likewise, a 3 lane motorway, with a 7.5 tonner registered after 2001, what lanes can he use? If he answers all of them, again laugh at him cos they’re restricted to the same as us.
- You go and do a run which normally takes 7 hours. During that time, there is an accident and you’re sent on a 30 mile detour which is heavily congested. The detour takes 2 hours and you continue on the days work however because of the time taken with the detour, you would have to run over your daily driving time by 5 minutes to get back to the yard. What do you do?
Return to the yard recording the reason for the violation on the rear of the chart or on a printout
Surely not 
Stop in the first available safe place to park when your time is up, phone the boss and say “come get me, i’m not having an infringment on my record and driving illegally just to get your truck back to the yard!”
The only reason you can ever drive over hours is to get the vehicle to the first available safe place to stop untill the required rest can be taken.
Conor:
Here’s what’s included on most agency tests in no order. (answers in red)
- How many times in a week can you take a reduced daily rest?
3
Three times between any two weekly rest periods is the correct answer.
Conor:
10) You go and do a run which normally takes 7 hours. During that time, there is an accident and you’re sent on a 30 mile detour which is heavily congested. The detour takes 2 hours and you continue on the days work however because of the time taken with the detour, you would have to run over your daily driving time by 5 minutes to get back to the yard. What do you do?
Return to the yard recording the reason for the violation on the rear of the chart or on a printout
In those circumstances you would not be allowed to legally extend your driving time, it’s not an emergency so you would have to stop before going over your driving time.
edit: This is obviously assuming that you have no more 10 hour driving days left.
Conor:
11) John goes out on a delivery. He spends 30 minutes checking the vehicle and restraining the load. He then drives for 2 hours and then spends 2 hours unloading. How long can he then drive for before he needs to take a break?
1.5 hours as he needs to take a 30 minute break under the WTD 6 hours work rule
To comply with the WTD regulations he would need to have a break of 15 minutes before or immediately after a total of 6 hours work, so yes he could drive for a further 1.5 hours, but he would only need to have a 15 minute break at this time
Conor wrote:
10) You go and do a run which normally takes 7 hours. During that time, there is an accident and you’re sent on a 30 mile detour which is heavily congested. The detour takes 2 hours and you continue on the days work however because of the time taken with the detour, you would have to run over your daily driving time by 5 minutes to get back to the yard. What do you do?
Return to the yard recording the reason for the violation on the rear of the chart or on a printoutIn those circumstances you would not be allowed to legally extend your driving time, it’s not an emergency so you would have to stop before going over your driving time.
you are allowed to extend your driving time to reach safe parking, at a guess 5 mins over would mean that the yard was the nearest safe parking.
del949:
Conor wrote:
10) You go and do a run which normally takes 7 hours. During that time, there is an accident and you’re sent on a 30 mile detour which is heavily congested. The detour takes 2 hours and you continue on the days work however because of the time taken with the detour, you would have to run over your daily driving time by 5 minutes to get back to the yard. What do you do?
Return to the yard recording the reason for the violation on the rear of the chart or on a printoutIn those circumstances you would not be allowed to legally extend your driving time, it’s not an emergency so you would have to stop before going over your driving time.
you are allowed to extend your driving time to reach safe parking, at a guess 5 mins over would mean that the yard was the nearest safe parking.
Sorry but I have to disagree with that, as he’s gone on a 30 mile, 2 hour detour and then continued with the days work, he clearly has time to find somewhere to park before he runs out of driving time, I can’t really imagine many circumstances where he wouldn’t be able to find somewhere to park in these circumstances.
Under normal circumstances it’s your responsibility to find somewhere to park before you run out of time.
tachograph:
Three times between any two weekly rest periods is the correct answer.
BZZT, wrong. It’s been discussed in another thread. It’s per week. The week resets at 00.00 Monday. It’s legal to do four 10 hour stints back to back if you do them on Sat to Tues.
tachograph:
To comply with the WTD regulations he would need to have a break of 15 minutes before or immediately after a total of 6 hours work, so yes he could drive for a further 1.5 hours, but he would only need to have a 15 minute break at this time
ROFL. I’m not going to take any advice from someone who thinks that it’s a 15 minute break for going over 6 hours work. Here’s a hint - go do some reading. You’ll find several things out including what the breaks are to comply with the WTD and that for the purposes of the drivers hours laws, the week is set, not dependent on when you put your first chart in after taking a weekly rest.
dft.gov.uk/pgr/freight/road/ … ge=7#a1033
if your working hours total between 6 and 9 hours, working time should be interrupted by a break or breaks totalling at least 30 minutes,
dft.gov.uk/pgr/freight/road/ … sgoods.pdf
Page 17
The fixed week starts at 00.00 on Monday and ends at 24.00 on the following Sunday.
Page 19
Some examples of such events are delays caused by severe weather, road traffic accidents, mechanical breakdowns, interruptions of ferry services and any event that causes or is likely to cause danger to the life or health of people or animals. Note that this concession only allows for drivers to reach a suitable
stopping place, not necessarily to complete their planned journey.
BZZT, wrong. It’s been discussed in another thread. It’s per week. The week resets at 00.00 Monday. It’s legal to do four 10 hour stints back to back if you do them on Sat to Tues.
Yeah, but i though the question was for reduced daily rest?
I’m crap at WTD so i’ll interested to see the outcome
Conor:
tachograph:
Three times between any two weekly rest periods is the correct answer.BZZT, wrong. It’s been discussed in another thread. It’s per week. The week resets at 00.00 Monday. It’s legal to do four 10 hour stints back to back if you do them on Sat to Tues.
The question was "5) How many times in a week can you take a reduced daily rest? "
Drivers Hours and Tachograph Rules - page 16
A driver may reduce his daily rest period to no less than 9 continuous hours, but this can be done
no more than three times between any two weekly rest periods, and no compensation for the
reduction is required. A daily rest that is less than 11 hours but at least 9 hours long is called a
reduced daily rest period.