Tachograph idiot test

tachograph · 20 February 2008 16:46

Conor:

tachograph:
To comply with the WTD regulations he would need to have a break of 15 minutes before or immediately after a total of 6 hours work, so yes he could drive for a further 1.5 hours, but he would only need to have a 15 minute break at this time

ROFL. I’m not going to take any advice from someone who thinks that it’s a 15 minute break for going over 6 hours work. Here’s a hint - go do some reading. You’ll find several things out including what the breaks are to comply with the WTD and that for the purposes of the drivers hours laws, the week is set, not dependent on when you put your first chart in after taking a weekly rest.

For WTD purposes if you work between 6 and 9 hours in a shift you should have a break of no less than 30 minutes, this is not the same as the 6 hour rule which states that you should not work for more than 6 hours without taking a break.

The length of break for the 6 hour rule is not defined in the regulations, therefore it’s generally assumed to be the minimum permissible break which is 15 minutes.

If you work between 6 and 9 hours you would need to have another 15 minute break before the end of the shift, making a total of 30 minutes.

If you work more than 9 hours you would need to have one or two more breaks of no less than 15 minutes each, totalling no less than 30 minutes, making 45 minutes in total

In either case you should not work for more than 6 hours without a break of no less than 15 minutes.

This is to comply with the WTD regulations and does not take into account the driving breaks, although the WTD breaks do count towards the driving breaks as long as they comply with the driving regulations and vice versa.

The Regulations require that:

mobile workers must not work more than 6 consecutive hours without taking a break,

if your working hours total between 6 and 9 hours, working time should be interrupted by a break or breaks totalling at least 30 minutes,

if your working hours total more than 9 hours, working time should be interrupted by a break or breaks totalling at least 45 minutes,

breaks should be of at least 15 minutes duration.

tachograph · 20 February 2008 17:10

Conor:
http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/freight/road/workingtime/drivershoursgoods.pdf
Page 17
The fixed week starts at 00.00 on Monday and ends at 24.00 on the following Sunday.

You’ve lost me there, I’ve no idea where this comes into this discussion .
But If it makes you happy I agree with you on this

Conor:
Page 19
Some examples of such events are delays caused by severe weather, road traffic accidents, mechanical breakdowns, interruptions of ferry services and any event that causes or is likely to cause danger to the life or health of people or animals. Note that this concession only allows for drivers to reach a suitable stopping place, not necessarily to complete their planned journey.

You’ve answered your own post, you’re only allowed to go over the driving limit to reach a suitable and safe parking place.
In the example you gave it seems unlikely that you wouldn’t be able to find a suitable parking place before running out of driving time, not impossible but unlikely I would have thought.

Conor:
10) You go and do a run which normally takes 7 hours. During that time, there is an accident and you’re sent on a 30 mile detour which is heavily congested. The detour takes 2 hours and you continue on the days work however because of the time taken with the detour, you would have to run over your daily driving time by 5 minutes to get back to the yard. What do you do?

tachograph · 20 February 2008 17:23

Conor:
ROFL. I’m not going to take any advice from someone who thinks that it’s a 15 minute break for going over 6 hours work. Here’s a hint - go do some reading . You’ll find several things out including what the breaks are to comply with the WTD and that for the purposes of the drivers hours laws, the week is set, not dependent on when you put your first chart in after taking a weekly rest.

Have a good day

coffeeholic · 20 February 2008 17:31

Conor:

tachograph:
Three times between any two weekly rest periods is the correct answer.

BZZT, wrong. It’s been discussed in another thread. It’s per week. The week resets at 00.00 Monday. It’s legal to do four 10 hour stints back to back if you do them on Sat to Tues.

Correct, 2 in one week and two in the other. However, since April 11 last, year for reduced daily rest periods it is three reduictions between weekly rest periods so you can do more than three in the fixed week when your weekly rest is not Saturday and Sunday.

Conor:
ROFL. I’m not going to take any advice from someone who thinks that it’s a 15 minute break for going over 6 hours work. Here’s a hint - go do some reading. You’ll find several things out including what the breaks are to comply with the WTD

I can’t believe you are still perpetuating this misconception. On many other threads on this topic you have been asked to show where in the WTD regulations it states you must have a 30 minute break after 6 hours and you have never been able to do so. Want to try again?

Conor:
and that for the purposes of the drivers hours laws, the week is set, not dependent on when you put your first chart in after taking a weekly rest.

Wrong. Here’s a hint - go do some reading. You’ll find several things out including what in the tacho rules is related to the fixed week and what is dependent on weekly rest periods.

peirre · 20 February 2008 17:35

Oi … can you lot stop hijacking my thread

coffeeholic · 20 February 2008 17:36

tachograph:
Have a good day

You are wasting your time tachograph, Conor has been on a couple of courses and is daft enough to believe everything they told him, even when it is pointed out to him by many people that he is wrong, including links on the VOSA site which prove he is wrong. I’ve never yet been on a course for some kind of transport regulations when the person giving the course hasn’t got something wrong. The same goes for the tacho questions given when you take an assesment, last one I was on had two questions where the answers they wanted were wrong.

coffeeholic · 20 February 2008 17:37

peirre:
Oi … can you lot stop hijacking my thread

Sorrreeee.

tachograph · 20 February 2008 17:43

Coffeeholic:

tachograph:
Have a good day

You are wasting your time tachograph, Conor has been on a couple of courses and is daft enough to believe everything they told him, even when it is pointed out to him by many people that he is wrong, including links on the VOSA site which prove he is wrong. I’ve never yet been on a course for some kind of transport regulations when the person giving the course hasn’t got something wrong. The same goes for the tacho questions given when you take an assesment, last one I was on had two questions where the answers they wanted were wrong.

To be honest I thought I may be wasting time when I read “ROFL. I’m not going to take any advice from someone who thinks that it’s a 15 minute break for going over 6 hours work. Here’s a hint - go do some reading.”

tachograph · 20 February 2008 17:46

peirre:
Oi … can you lot stop hijacking my thread

rog · 20 February 2008 17:58

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Glad I kept out of this one

denis_f · 20 February 2008 18:08

tachograph:

peirre:
Oi … can you lot stop hijacking my thread

or even

conor · 21 February 2008 02:22

Coffeeholic:
I can’t believe you are still perpetuating this misconception. On many other threads on this topic you have been asked to show where in the WTD regulations it states you must have a 30 minute break after 6 hours and you have never been able to do so. Want to try again?

TRY READING MY ■■■■■■■ EXAMPLE OF WORK PATTERN IN THE QUESTION(edited). The part I was arguing was when that other dumb ■■■■ said only a 15 minute break would be needed.

Jesus, it’s no wonder people think lorry drivers are thick if the amount of dumb retarded halfwits in here are anything to go by.

And yeah, ban me if you want because I’ve had enough trying to have conversations with knuckledraggers anyway.
Rdited for personal attack mm

tachograph · 21 February 2008 08:34

Conor:

Coffeeholic:
I can’t believe you are still perpetuating this misconception. On many other threads on this topic you have been asked to show where in the WTD regulations it states you must have a 30 minute break after 6 hours and you have never been able to do so. Want to try again?

TRY READING MY [zb] EXAMPLE OF WORK PATTERN IN THE QUESTION (EDITED). The part I was arguing was when that other dumb [zb] said only a 15 minute break would be needed.

Jesus, it’s no wonder people think lorry drivers are thick if the amount of dumb retarded halfwits in here are anything to go by.

And yeah, ban me if you want because I’ve had enough trying to have conversations with knuckledraggers anyway.

No need to be so tetchy m8 , I think you’ll find the reply I gave was correct, to comply with the WTD regulations 15 minutes was needed after no more than 6 hours work.

To be honest I can’t understand your problem m8, you made a helpful reply to a post, but there were a couple of mistakes in the post which I tried to correct, that’s all.
It’s happened to me on a number of occasions and probably will again, but I just accept it and try to learn from it, if you think your right about something stand your ground until proven wrong, I will, but no need to throw the dummy out of the pram.

As I said before the WTD regulations don’t stipulate a length of time for the 6 hour rule break, but it does say the 30 or 45 minute break can be split into parts of no less than 15 minutes.
As no break time is given, but the shortest break that’s allowed to count towards the WTD is 15 minutes, it’s generally accepted that what we’ve come to know as the 6 hour rule requires a 15 minute break.

If you want to discus it further I’m sure some of us will be happy to, but lets keep it friendly

You’re correct about one thing though, I am a dumb [zb], but I’m cool with that

Have a great day

tachograph:

Conor:
11) John goes out on a delivery. He spends 30 minutes checking the vehicle and restraining the load. He then drives for 2 hours and then spends 2 hours unloading. How long can he then drive for before he needs to take a break?
1.5 hours as he needs to take a 30 minute break under the WTD 6 hours work rule

To comply with the WTD regulations he would need to have a break of 15 minutes before or immediately after a total of 6 hours work, so yes he could drive for a further 1.5 hours, but he would only need to have a 15 minute break at this time

Just tidying upmm

paul_midway · 21 February 2008 14:46

Mr Attitude strikes again …

You are wrong conor , not once have I picked up an infringment for only having a 15 minute to comply with the 6 hour rule . Thats all I have,15 minutes sometime between 1900 and 0100. If driving allows then the 30 will be taken later .
However I did go past 0100 by 3 minutes last year and I got an infringment for not complying with the WTD breaks.
My bad judgement , but hey we can all make mistakes.
But never an infringment for only having 15 minutes , funny that !!

Watch your backs , now that he is going to realise he is wrong and gone off on one again without good justification he will try to recoup himself by pointing out bad spelling and punctuation .
Or shock horror start name calling in some futile effort to get banned and then run along somewhere else to boast about it and that all members of Trucknet are arse holes and other expletives .
Not that I’m saying you are predictable !

coffeeholic · 21 February 2008 17:09

Conor:
TRY READING MY [zb] EXAMPLE OF WORK PATTERN IN THE QUESTION (EDITED).

Ah insults, a sure sign someone is losing an argument. Okay I’ll read it again, here goes.

Conor:
11) John goes out on a delivery. He spends 30 minutes checking the vehicle and restraining the load. He then drives for 2 hours and then spends 2 hours unloading. How long can he then drive for before he needs to take a break?
1.5 hours as he needs to take a 30 minute break under the WTD 6 hours work rule

Right I’ve read it. The bit about he can drive for a further 1.5 hours is correct. However he does not require a break under the tacho rules as he has only accumulated 3.5 hours driving, so in the work pattern detailed in this question he has reached the WTD limit of 6 hours without a break and therefore is indeed required to take a break. This break will need to be at least 15 minutes, the minimum amount of time which counts as a break under the WTD. He could of course take longer but 15 minutes satisfies the legal requirements at this point in his shift. He could then drive for a further hour and take a break of 30 minutes to satisfy the tacho regulations and which will probably also satisfy his WTD break requirements for the rest of his shift, unless his shift is going to be particularly long and he has no further breaks or POA after this 30 minute break.

Conor:
The part I was arguing was when that other dumb [zb] said only a 15 minute break would be needed.

Not such a dumb [zb] after all as he was indeed correct.

Conor:
Jesus, it’s no wonder people think lorry drivers are thick if the amount of dumb retarded halfwits in here are anything to go by.

You seem to be adding to that stereotype with your inability to grasp simple regulations and the insults you are slinging about when shown to be wrong.

Conor:
And yeah, ban me if you want because I’ve had enough trying to have conversations with knuckledraggers anyway.

There you go again with the insults, you really don’t like being shown to be wrong do you. I hope you never get banned as you are good entertainment.

Just tidying up mm

coffeeholic · 21 February 2008 17:16

paul@midway:
:lol: Mr Attitude strikes again …

You are wrong conor , not once have I picked up an infringment for only having a 15 minute to comply with the 6 hour rule .

Me neither.

Did you notice the cunning way he has avoided mentioning the other thing he has been proved wrong on, number of reduced daily rests in a week, and has resorted to throwing insults about in the hope we haven’t noticed? I wonder if the fact he has got a very basic part of the tacho rules wrong also makes him retarded, dumb, ignorant or a knuckle dragger in his book?

rog · 21 February 2008 17:26

I think Connor did what I also did…
…coffee, can you find that thread where you and I had this discussion about the 15/30 min 6 hour WTD break and it turned out that I had read the rules about it and was convinced I had got it right but it turned out that it was my personal interpretation of them that was flawed - I was reading them in a way that I thought they should be done

coffeeholic · 21 February 2008 17:34

ROG:
I think Connor did what I also did…
…coffee, can you find that thread where you and I had this discussion about the 15/30 min 6 hour WTD break and it turned out that I had read the rules about it and was convinced I had got it right but it turned out that it was my personal interpretation of them that was flawed - I was reading them in a way that I thought they should be done

There has been so many threads discussing this subject I wouldn’t know which one it was. No need to find it as the details have been repeated in this thread by Tachograph. Oh, and I may have mentioned them as well.

Conor has been getting it wrong since way before you did ROG, and he has still not been able to come up with a link to the section of the regulations which supports his view, despite being asked on many occasions, including on this thread before he made his most recent posts on it. He can’t of course find a link to support his view so throws insults about instead in the hope we don’t notice his failure. Usually followed up by him disappearing and not posting for a while, or at teh very least not posting on the thread in question.

flying_viking · 21 February 2008 18:10

With regard to the original post by Conor, and the answer given for question10.
If the usual trip takes 7 hours and the detour takes an extra 2 hours, then it looks like the 5 minutes over the driving time refers to the normal 9 hours driving, and so one of the weekly 10 hours could be used, so no violation.

tachograph · 21 February 2008 19:37

flying viking:
With regard to the original post by Conor, and the answer given for question10.
If the usual trip takes 7 hours and the detour takes an extra 2 hours, then it looks like the 5 minutes over the driving time refers to the normal 9 hours driving, and so one of the weekly 10 hours could be used, so no violation.

That would be correct if you ran over the nine hour driving time by 5 minutes and had 10 hour driving days available to use, but all that was said in the question was "you would have to run over your daily driving time by 5 minutes to get back to the yard. What do you do? ".

The answer given for the question was “Return to the yard recording the reason for the violation on the rear of the chart or on a printout”

No mention of how much driving time was available for the day was mentioned, just that you would run 5 minutes over time because of an incident earlier in the day, and if you run just 5 minutes over your available driving time it’s a violation of the regulations unless there’s a good reason, which in this case there almost certainly wouldn’t be.