Imagine the situation where you get back to your yard early with a couple of hours to kill and you are asked to move a few wagons around the yard,maybe to re-park them a few metres away or fill them up with diesel ready for the next day or pull them onto loading bays but you stay on the company premises and any driving amounts to only yards literally and you are only in the cab for a couple of minutes,what do you do about tachographs? If they have Digital Tachographs do you put your card in each time? Would you use the companies operator card ?.Could you move them if you did not have a digital card yourself.Would you bother ? What is the correct procedure for doing this ? I know that if they where fitted with analogue tachos then I would move them without putting charts in.I am just curious as to whether there is a definative answer for this.
xrayday:
Imagine the situation where you get back to your yard early with a couple of hours to kill and you are asked to move a few wagons around the yard,maybe to re-park them a few metres away or fill them up with diesel ready for the next day or pull them onto loading bays but you stay on the company premises and any driving amounts to only yards literally and you are only in the cab for a couple of minutes,what do you do about tachographs? If they have Digital Tachographs do you put your card in each time? Would you use the companies operator card ?.Could you move them if you did not have a digital card yourself.Would you bother ? What is the correct procedure for doing this ? I know that if they where fitted with analogue tachos then I would move them without putting charts in.I am just curious as to whether there is a definative answer for this.
I think the correct thing to do would be to use your driver card and put it onto off road driving, but to be honest if the company was happy for the vehicles to be moved with no card in then personally I would be tempted to leave the card in one vehicle and have the tacho on “other work” as this is what you would be doing, any driving would be off road driving which for all intent and purpose is the same as other work.
If I couldn’t leave the card in any of the vehicles then I would put it in the last vehicle I moved and do a manual entry into the tacho and book “other work” for the time I was moving vehicles.
Technically this may not be the right thing to do but would save a lot of trouble entering the card every time.
You’re not allowed to drive a vehicle fitted with digital tachograph on the road unless you have a driver card but on private property you don’t need one, but in that situation technically you should probably use the company card, though how many companies would bother I’ve no idea 
This is my take on the situation but other people may see things differently
I think I would leave the digi in my own vehicle on ‘other work’ and do as tachograph says - after all, who is to say that it was not a yard person that moved them 
personally i would just record it as other work. as has been mentioned. its not as if youre about to do a couple of jhundred miles is it.
im guessing it would come under the normal rules of a shunter would it not?
I thought if you’d been out/going out on the road that day then all off road driving counts as driving time and must be recorded. Personally I’ve never bothered and recorded it as other work 
(hope BB isn’t looking)
as everyone has said other work, though personally if my run was over and i was on private grounds and not using public roads i wouldnt even leave my tacho in my truck.
i spent many a time moving round rosyth dockyard between scaffolding yards (bout 150m apartt without a card
It’s not “other work” any more - the regs changed April 2007. If you do any on-road driving under tacho regs during the day, then all on-road and off-road driving done during that day counts as “driving”.
Whether you choose to record and report it correctly, however, is another matter entirely.
I’ll go with MADBAZ and MrFlibble on the official line:
‘Driving time’ is the duration of driving activity recorded either by the recording equipment or manually when the recording equipment is broken.
Even a short period of driving under EU rules during any day by a driver will mean that he is in scope of the EU rules for the whole of that day and must comply with the daily driving, break and rest requirements; he will also have to comply with the weekly rest requirement and driving limit. (GV262 - P13)
In practice…
Sorry but it’s definitely “other work”
The regulations don’t say that off road driving is classed as driving if you do any on-road driving during the day, what the regulations do say is that where any part of a journey is on a public road then any off road driving involved during that journey is classed as driving, however driving vehicles around the yard after the journey has been completed is not part of the same journey and therefore can be recorded as off road driving which is other work.
The situation described by xrayday does come in-scope of the EU regulations but as other work.
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Drivers hours and tachograph rules:
Note: Driving time includes any off-road parts of a journey where the rest of that journey is made on the public highway. Journeys taking place entirely off road would be considered as ’other work’.So, for example, any time spent driving off road between a parking/rest area and a loading bay prior to
travelling on a public road would constitute driving time, but it would be regarded as other work where
an entire load is picked up and deposited on the same off-road site.
Just put the digi card in any truck and put it on other work, it doesnt even have to be a truck you are moving.
We move stuff forwards and backwards around the bakery every day, the only time we put charts/cards in is if we are leaving the premises.
On return to the bakery, the first thing everyone does is take charts/cards out because you can guarantee your wagon wont be where you left it.
I’ve always thought this was okay, as everyone else is doing it.
if ur just doing yard work and ur not on public roads, then u dont need to put a tacho into any of the vehicles, just show on your tacho charts that u are using for the day a manual entry as ‘other work’ i do the same thing at our bit when i have to service the trucks at royal mail!
Chiz:
On return to the bakery, the first thing everyone does is take charts/cards out because you can guarantee your wagon wont be where you left it.I’ve always thought this was okay, as everyone else is doing it.
Sound OK to me as you don’t want to the card to show you were driving when you were not.
ROG:
Chiz:
On return to the bakery, the first thing everyone does is take charts/cards out because you can guarantee your wagon wont be where you left it.I’ve always thought this was okay, as everyone else is doing it.
Sound OK to me as you don’t want to the card to show you were driving when you were not.
Just as I thought.
I’ve had agency staff ask me why I’ve got seperate charts for the same vehicle on the same day, I explained that I’m always chopping and changing vehicles and often find myself in the same vehicle more than once in a shift, but drive other vehicles in between. It’s a right waste of paper!!
Chiz:
ROG:
Chiz:
On return to the bakery, the first thing everyone does is take charts/cards out because you can guarantee your wagon wont be where you left it.I’ve always thought this was okay, as everyone else is doing it.
Sound OK to me as you don’t want to the card to show you were driving when you were not.
Just as I thought.
I’ve had agency staff ask me why I’ve got seperate charts for the same vehicle on the same day, I explained that I’m always chopping and changing vehicles and often find myself in the same vehicle more than once in a shift, but drive other vehicles in between. It’s a right waste of paper!!
But you don’t need to use a different chart for each vehicle you drive
Why not use the same chart and fill in the details for the other vehilces on the back of the chart ?
Or am I misunderstanding what you’re saying
tachograph:
But you don’t need to use a different chart for each vehicle you driveWhy not use the same chart and fill in the details for the other vehicles on the back of the chart ?
Or am I misunderstanding what you’re saying
Hmmm, I wasn’t sure if that was allowed.
I get out of one vehicle, and there’s no saying I’ll be using it again, so I close the chart down (end kms, destination, etc), go away and drive another wagon (or five), then end up back in the first wagon again, because the previous chart was closed down, I have to start a new one.
And so the shift goes by, usually end up with between 5 and 8 charts per shift.
If more than one vehicle is allowed on one chart, that would simplify everything.
Looking at the centre of the back of the chart, position 1 is at the top, this is for the second vehicle you use.
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At the side of the little drawing of a clock write the time you started in the second vehicle.
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Where it says “No” write the registration of the second vehicle.
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Write the start odo reading and finish odo reading for the second vehicle.
When you’ve inserted the time you took over the vehicle and the reg number and the start kilometers put the chart in the second vehicle and continue with your job.
When you change vehicles again simply do the same in position 2 and then position 3, if you look at the image above you’ll see that each position is numbered at the side of the little clock drawing.
You can use this chart for 4 vehicles so hopefully you’ll be able to play your part in saving a few trees
Apologies to xrayday for going off toppic
Chiz:
I get out of one vehicle, and there’s no saying I’ll be using it again, so I close the chart down (end kms, destination, etc), go away and drive another wagon (or five), then end up back in the first wagon again, because the previous chart was closed down, I have to start a new one.
ROG:
Chiz:
I get out of one vehicle, and there’s no saying I’ll be using it again, so I close the chart down (end kms, destination, etc), go away and drive another wagon (or five), then end up back in the first wagon again, because the previous chart was closed down, I have to start a new one.
There’s no need to do that if he uses the spaces provided on the back of the chart for other vehicles, that’s what they’re there for 
In fact I doubt it would even be legal not to complete the finish mileage when giving up a vehicle (could be wrong though 
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When changing vehicles the front of the chart should be completed except for the finish date and end location, you should then start using the spaces provided on the back of the chart for other vehicles.
Saves time, saves charts, saves the driver having to carry a humongous amount of charts and saves VOSA having to shift through an endless number of charts if you get stopped
Oh and it helps to cut global warming by saving paper 
I am perhaps looking at this from a vehicle point of view now and thinking that use as I describe would make it tachograph exempt in the same way private use is or learner driving is. Any official examining a digital head unit would only have to use some common sense to realise the use that the vehicle has been put to by the minuscule time,distance and speed traces and if they were not satisfied it would be up to the vehicle operator to argue the point rather than the driver so I go along with the majority in thinking it should be classed as other work.
I am surprised this thread has got so many minds thinking away.