In fact I doubt it would even be legal not to complete the finish mileage when giving up a vehicle (could be wrong though )
I think it has to be entered but the maths do not have to be done
Instead of putting the end mileage etc on the chart - have a notepad and make a note on that. At the end of your shift simply complete the chart.
what I should have said is…
At the end of your shift simply complete the end mileage on the chart for each of the vehicles in the appropriate places - vehicle 1 on front and vehicles 2 & 3 on rear of chart
So if I’d paid any attention to the back of a chart I could have answered my own question here.
well… just about - keeping a note of each vehicles finish mileage and not putting those on the chart until the end of shift will help as you said that you can often be asked to drive the same one twice in one shift
So if I’d paid any attention to the back of a chart I could have answered my own question here.
well… just about - keeping a note of each vehicles finish mileage and not putting those on the chart until the end of shift will help as you said that you can often be asked to drive the same one twice in one shift
ROG I’m sorry to disagree but what you seem to be suggesting is wrong and does not comply with the regulations.
You need to complete the various sections of the chart as you go through the day, if you use a vehicle twice then you should have the details of those two times complete with the start and finish times and start and finish odo readings for the individual periods that you’ve used the vehicle in two sections of the chart/charts.
Sorry but unless I’m missing something there really is no reason not to complete the various sections of the chart as you go through the days work.
If you were to get pulled into a spot check by VOSA and the sections of the charts hadn’t been completed you could have some explaining to do because as far as I know VOSA like to see charts/cards and not note books
I suppose it could be interesting to see the reaction of a VOSA examiner if you pulled out a note book to go with the charts, but personally I’m happy to leave that for you to try and let us know how it was received
A driver is required to enter the following information on the centrefield of a tachograph chart that he is
using to record his activities:
surname and first name (the law does not stipulate which order the names are put —
but your employer may have a policy on this);
the date and place where the use of the record sheet begins and ends. The year may be written
in full or abbreviated — so both ‘2007’ and ‘07’ are acceptable. If the start and finish places are
the same, both must be written on the chart — ditto marks are not acceptable;
the registration numbers(s) of vehicle(s) driven (which should be entered before departing on a
new vehicle);
the time at which any change of vehicle takes place; and
the odometer readings:
— at the start of the first journey;
— at the end of the last journey; and
— at the time of any change of vehicle, recording the readings from both vehicles.
Note that the ‘total kms’ field does not have to be completed.
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So if a driver is using
Vehicle 1
Vehicle 2
Vehicle 3
Vehicle 2
Vehicle 3
Vehicle 1
then they would need 2 seperate tachos for the shift as there would be 2 lots of end mileage for each of the 3 vehicles
I thought that the end vehicle mileage had to be recorded when the vehicle was not going to be used any more during that shift - maybe I got it wrong…
ROG:
I thought that the end vehicle mileage had to be recorded when the vehicle was not going to be used any more during that shift - maybe I got it wrong…
The end mileage should be entered each time you change vehicles, remember someone else could use the vehicle whilst your out in another vehicle, your records should only show what mileage you’ve done with the vehicle and not what other drivers may have done.
ROG:
So if a driver is using
Vehicle 1
Vehicle 2
Vehicle 3
Vehicle 2
Vehicle 3
Vehicle 1
then they would need 2 seperate tachos for the shift as there would be 2 lots of end mileage for each of the 3 vehicles
ROG:
So if a driver is using
Vehicle 1
Vehicle 2
Vehicle 3
Vehicle 2
Vehicle 3
Vehicle 1
then they would need 2 seperate tachos for the shift as there would be 2 lots of end mileage for each of the 3 vehicles
Yes that’s correct according to the regulations
would this still apply if no-one else was going to drive any of the vehicles during the shift
ROG:
So if a driver is using
Vehicle 1
Vehicle 2
Vehicle 3
Vehicle 2
Vehicle 3
Vehicle 1
then they would need 2 seperate tachos for the shift as there would be 2 lots of end mileage for each of the 3 vehicles
Yes that’s correct according to the regulations
would this still apply if no-one else was going to drive any of the vehicles during the shift
Provided you could be 100% certain that they would not move (e.g. had the only keys in your posession) I would assume not But probably better to be safe than sorry
ROG:
So if a driver is using
Vehicle 1
Vehicle 2
Vehicle 3
Vehicle 2
Vehicle 3
Vehicle 1
then they would need 2 seperate tachos for the shift as there would be 2 lots of end mileage for each of the 3 vehicles
Yes that’s correct according to the regulations
would this still apply if no-one else was going to drive any of the vehicles during the shift
I would say yes.
If you drive vehicle “1”, then later in the day you drive vehicle “2” you need to close the section for vehicle “1” and insert the details on the chart for the reg, mileage ec’t of vehicle “2” at the time of changeover, if you then use vehicle “1” again, you would need to insert the details for vehicle “1” again, otherwise your chart would show you still driving vehicle “2”.
Also the mileage would need to correspond to the graph for the times you were using a particular vehicle.
If the first and last vehicle you drive in the shift were the same and no-one else used it, I suppose you could make a case for just entering the details of the other vehicles as this would show all the necessary information, but it still wouldn’t be complying with the tachograph regulations.
This is really no different to going on public roads with a vehicle that’s fitted with a digital tachograph, you wouldn’t change vehicles with a digitacho without inserting the card in the new vehicle every time you change vehicles, it would clearly be illegal (no reference to the thread opening post obviously), using analogue tachographs is the same except for the type of tachograph, but the principles the same.
Don’t enter your final location at the change from the first vehicle (on the front of your chart). Leave that blank until you finish for the day or until you finish with the 4th vehicle.
That line is for where you finish your shift, or finish moving the 4th vehicle.
If you then move a 5th vehicle (possibly vehicle 1 again, it makes no difference), you are starting a new chart, so put the start location for that chart in the appropriate place.
xrayday:
Imagine the situation where you get back to your yard early with a couple of hours to kill and you are asked to move a few wagons around the yard,maybe to re-park them a few metres away or fill them up with diesel ready for the next day or pull them onto loading bays but you stay on the company premises and any driving amounts to only yards literally and you are only in the cab for a couple of minutes,what do you do about tachographs? If they have Digital Tachographs do you put your card in each time? Would you use the companies operator card ?.Could you move them if you did not have a digital card yourself.Would you bother ? What is the correct procedure for doing this ? I know that if they where fitted with analogue tachos then I would move them without putting charts in.I am just curious as to whether there is a definative answer for this.
if your shift is finished ie you are not going back out on the road then leave your card in your own vehicle (if you need to show you were at work to get paid) and just move the others without a card. swapping your card to each vehicle would probably take more time than you will spend driving them. it may or may not be the correct thing to do in the eyes of the law but it sure as hell is the most sensible thing to do and what most drivers would do
NB the operators card is not a drivers card. it does not entitle the bearer to drive. only a drivers card is a digital tacho
