Had to switch units mid shift. The were right next to each other and without thinking I took my card out of one then straight into the other. It’s then flashing up time overlap. Is this really naughty of me and am I going to prison if pulled by vosa?
Rowley010:
Had to switch units mid shift. The were right next to each other and without thinking I took my card out of one then straight into the other. It’s then flashing up time overlap. Is this really naughty of me and am I going to prison if pulled by vosa?
Yes, but only if you’re lucky!
I wouldn’t worry about it too much, maybe just do a print from each unit and keep with your diary, write a brief explanation and jobs a good un. I had a similar thing a while back, jumped out of our last analogue lorry into my one, put card in then a few mins later realised I’d left the analogue chart in the old one. Manual entry on paper chart explaining it and was fine. Everyone makes little mistakes it’s when you try to cover them up it looks dodgy to dvsa
Find me a tacho time that is exactly the same time as the next,the overlap is probably only a minute or so, write on the back of your print out
Rowley010:
Had to switch units mid shift. The were right next to each other and without thinking I took my card out of one then straight into the other. It’s then flashing up time overlap. Is this really naughty of me and am I going to prison if pulled by vosa?
It just means that the UTC time on one or both of the tachographs was a bit out, as long as neither was more than 20 minutes out it’s not a problem.
Wouldn’t even bother with a printout, in the massively unlikely event the scum pull you it’s blatantly obvious what’s went on.
TheUncaringCowboy:
Wouldn’t even bother with a printout, in the massively unlikely event the scum pull you it’s blatantly obvious what’s went on.
I agree there’s no need for a printout because the driver card will show that there was a time overlap when the driver changed vehicles, the time of the changeover will show the time overlap symbol.
If by scum you mean the DVSA I have to say I never had a problem with them myself 
tachograph:
TheUncaringCowboy:
Wouldn’t even bother with a printout, in the massively unlikely event the scum pull you it’s blatantly obvious what’s went on.I agree there’s no need for a printout because the driver card will show that there was a time overlap when the driver changed vehicles, the time of the changeover will show the time overlap symbol.
If by scum you mean the DVSA I have to say I never had a problem with them myself
I wouldn’t call them scum just for going out and doing their job. Scum is some scrote who goes and robs an OAP, or a man who beats controls and abuses his partner, or a group of football fans who have no intention of watching the match but go and have a brawl in a town centre or on a train in broad daylight in front of families. I wouldn’t put a DVSA Officer for earning an honest living and following the rules they’ve been given on the same level as that.
They can be annoying yes. And it can be a pain when what can be done in the real world doesn’t match what their rule book says down to the letter. But not scum.
Rowley010:
I wouldn’t call them scum just for going out and doing their job. Scum is some scrote who goes and robs an OAP, or a man who beats controls and abuses his partner, or a group of football fans who have no intention of watching the match but go and have a brawl in a town centre or on a train in broad daylight in front of families. I wouldn’t put a DVSA Officer for earning an honest living and following the rules they’ve been given on the same level as that.They can be annoying yes. And it can be a pain when what can be done in the real world doesn’t match what their rule book says down to the letter. But not scum.
+1. I could write all night about the type of person who would match my description of scum, but a working man/woman who believes they are doing the right thing in removing dangerous vehicles and operators from the roads and attempting to provide a level playing field for those who stand the expense of doing things right and legally certainly doesn’t fall into my description of scum.
Rowley010:
tachograph:
TheUncaringCowboy:
Wouldn’t even bother with a printout, in the massively unlikely event the scum pull you it’s blatantly obvious what’s went on.I agree there’s no need for a printout because the driver card will show that there was a time overlap when the driver changed vehicles, the time of the changeover will show the time overlap symbol.
If by scum you mean the DVSA I have to say I never had a problem with them myself
I wouldn’t call them scum just for going out and doing their job. Scum is some scrote who goes and robs an OAP, or a man who beats controls and abuses his partner, or a group of football fans who have no intention of watching the match but go and have a brawl in a town centre or on a train in broad daylight in front of families. I wouldn’t put a DVSA Officer for earning an honest living and following the rules they’ve been given on the same level as that.
They can be annoying yes. And it can be a pain when what can be done in the real world doesn’t match what their rule book says down to the letter. But not scum.
I hope my post doesn’t give the impression that I agree with calling the DVSA scum it’s certainly not meant that way.
Without the DVSA we would still have copious numbers of cowboy drivers working for cowboy companies making the roads more dangerous that they already are.
the maoster:
Rowley010:
I wouldn’t call them scum just for going out and doing their job. Scum is some scrote who goes and robs an OAP, or a man who beats controls and abuses his partner, or a group of football fans who have no intention of watching the match but go and have a brawl in a town centre or on a train in broad daylight in front of families. I wouldn’t put a DVSA Officer for earning an honest living and following the rules they’ve been given on the same level as that.They can be annoying yes. And it can be a pain when what can be done in the real world doesn’t match what their rule book says down to the letter. But not scum.
+1. I could write all night about the type of person who would match my description of scum, but a working man/woman who believes they are doing the right thing in removing dangerous vehicles and operators from the roads and attempting to provide a level playing field for those who stand the expense of doing things right and legally certainly doesn’t fall into my description of scum.
Not my experience of them.
Liars and wannabe bullies who go out of their way to try and cause as many problems for a working man as possible, who will then fabricate rules when they can’t find anything else. All because of which country the lorry is from.
Fair play TUC, a persons experience will obviously shape their view. As I’ve had exactly zero interaction with any enforcement agency this century my view admittedly could very well not be current and I’ll happily accept that. I’m not naive enough to believe that targeting vehicles with for example Irish plates on them doesn’t happen and again I’ll accept that after the umpteenth encounter your views could well become a tad more hostile than mine.
I’m not refuting your opinion btw, rather stating my experience.
In my experiences with them I have been pulled in the past whilst driving 3 different nationality of truck (including British but not Irish)
I’ve found them reasonable and polite, but it’s all about passing the attitude test when they first pull you as to how they are going to react.
The one and only time I had a problem with them was with a young trainee, who got a bit too big for his boots, but was soon cut back by his older superior who even aplogised to me for the lad’s attitude.
So yeh, always found them ok in my (many) experiences of being pulled by them…oooer Mrs. 
the maoster:
Fair play TUC, a persons experience will obviously shape their view. As I’ve had exactly zero interaction with any enforcement agency this century my view admittedly could very well not be current and I’ll happily accept that. I’m not naive enough to believe that targeting vehicles with for example Irish plates on them doesn’t happen and again I’ll accept that after the umpteenth encounter your views could well become a tad more hostile than mine.I’m not refuting your opinion btw, rather stating my experience.
We can all only go on our personal experiences.
Except Carryfast.
TheUncaringCowboy:
Not my experience of them.Liars and wannabe bullies who go out of their way to try and cause as many problems for a working man as possible, who will then fabricate rules when they can’t find anything else. All because of which country the lorry is from.
I agree with your general sentiment but I don’t believe the reason for harassing foreign trucks has anything to do with prejudice or higher likelihood of an offence.
No, IMO it is purely a financial motivation, fast and easy money aka Good Business.
If a UK operator is found with an offence it is usually NIP, Summonses, Court Appearances and fines. This is a long drawn out procedure and an expensive one for little revenue in return. However it has to be done and is done from time to time.
If a foreign operator is found with an offence it is an instant cash transaction of the maximum fines allowed. No pesky solicitors to point out that the allegations are dubious or downright false. At the end of the shift the bank account is well stocked.
And the PR is good too. Pop a picture of a dodgy tyre on Twitter and claim they saved many lives from another lethal foreigner on our roads. Real hero’s working hard on behalf of the taxpayer.
And yes a few of them do seem to get their kicks from beating on foreigners but the operation is mostly about raising cash without oversight from solicitors, magistrates or lobby groups.
A few other countries play a similarly disgraceful game but hey it’s only small hauliers and lowly drivers so any retribution is highly unlikely. So I would advise the OP doesn’t show his overlap in France or Spain as they certainly have their moments of madness/stupidity too.
A lot of us who work for “green light” operators seem quite happy with targeted checks?
I don’t know who the Cowboy works for, but no matter how sainted he himself is, if his truck fits a risky profile he will get more tugs.
It may be unjust on him, but for the vast majority of cases it is more efficient to target higher offending groups.
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And should we only look at our own personal experiences?
We certainly aren’t doing that by sharing and discussing them here!
Hurryup&wait:
TheUncaringCowboy:
Not my experience of them.Liars and wannabe bullies who go out of their way to try and cause as many problems for a working man as possible, who will then fabricate rules when they can’t find anything else. All because of which country the lorry is from.
I agree with your general sentiment but I don’t believe the reason for harassing foreign trucks has anything to do with prejudice or higher likelihood of an offence.
No, IMO it is purely a financial motivation, fast and easy money aka Good Business.
If a UK operator is found with an offence it is usually NIP, Summonses, Court Appearances and fines. This is a long drawn out procedure and an expensive one for little revenue in return. However it has to be done and is done from time to time.
If a foreign operator is found with an offence it is an instant cash transaction of the maximum fines allowed. No pesky solicitors to point out that the allegations are dubious or downright false. At the end of the shift the bank account is well stocked.
And the PR is good too. Pop a picture of a dodgy tyre on Twitter and claim they saved many lives from another lethal foreigner on our roads. Real hero’s working hard on behalf of the taxpayer.
And yes a few of them do seem to get their kicks from beating on foreigners but the operation is mostly about raising cash without oversight from solicitors, magistrates or lobby groups.
A few other countries play a similarly disgraceful game but hey it’s only small hauliers and lowly drivers so any retribution is highly unlikely. So I would advise the OP doesn’t show his overlap in France or Spain as they certainly have their moments of madness/stupidity too.
That’s the biggest load of ■■■■■■■■ I’ve read tonight.
In fact annoyingly the DVSA or any other agencies posting on social media ALWAYS leave out the fact that it’s a foreign registered vehicle, of course us that know what to look for can instantly see it’s a left ■■■■■■ but joe public wouldn’t.
A few examples of DVSA Twitter posts and retweets…
twitter.com/syptweet/status/1156826661385641984
twitter.com/DVSAEnforcement/sta … 9443209216
Reef:
That’s the biggest load of ■■■■■■■■ I’ve read tonight.In fact annoyingly the DVSA or any other agencies posting on social media ALWAYS leave out the fact that it’s a foreign registered vehicle, of course us that know what to look for can instantly see it’s a left ■■■■■■ but joe public wouldn’t.
A few examples of DVSA Twitter posts and retweets…
twitter.com/syptweet/status/1156826661385641984
twitter.com/DVSAEnforcement/sta … 9443209216
Sorry to burst your angry bubble and I thought offensive language was banned around here.
Any of the links you provided about an actual offence contained a photo of the truck for the sole purpose that it can easily be recognised as a foreigner. Why else post a photo of the most boring trucks ever?
It’s not the lost and found section you know. 
Even Joe Public immediately recognised them as shown in the comments section and the police comments usually leave no doubt and of course the usual flip flop attacks pile in with an odd balancing comment as well.
mobile.twitter.com/DVSAEnforcem … 1450700800
mobile.twitter.com/DVSAEnforcem … 5498686464
mobile.twitter.com/DVSAEnforcem … 7099056129
mobile.twitter.com/DVSAEnforcem … 2579444737
And in case you are new around here, our very own road rat was ecstatic when posting here viewtopic.php?f=2&t=156043&hilit=Irish+truck+fine about the the driver caught on the phone. Absolutely a non event as hundreds of drivers are done each week for this one until he explained it was special because it was one if those Irish drivers.
In fact it was from Northern Ireland which we all know after the Brexit impasse is a UK driver but we know where he is coming from.
All Im saying is the concentration on foreign trucks is very lucrative for DVSA but perhaps I’m wrong and maybe it is just prejudice against Johnny Foreigner by our uniformed “friends”.
I’ve no idea whether or not the DVSA target foreign lorries but if they do maybe it’s not because they’re seen as easy money but because they’re seen by the DVSA as the most likely to be none compliant 
Hurryup&wait:
All Im saying is the concentration on foreign trucks is very lucrative for DVSA but perhaps I’m wrong and maybe it is just prejudice against Johnny Foreigner by our uniformed “friends”.
You are indeed wrong. It’s not lucrative for DVSA as they don’t get to keep the deposits or on the spot penalties. The only part of the DVSA operation that is “self financing” is the vehicle and driver testing - which somewhat ironically doesn’t involve foreign based vehicles and drivers.
The UK transport industry is, to a large extent, self-policing (witness the substantial “compliance” departments in any sizeable outfit, and the drivers having kittens over the slightest infringement on this board). DVSA have oversight of this.
Other countries may or may not have similar setups, but they won’t be under DVSA’s control.
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