This video is doing the rounds today on facenovel
The Question i have after watching it is…where do i get one of those OBD plugs [emoji6]
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Bugger that I like my breaks to much lol
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Blimey! I’m so naive! How can hauliers compete against that??
A good example of experienced VOSA (DVSA what ever they’re called these days) knowing exactly what to look for.
Rules are only as good as the enforcement of them. You can make all the driving laws you want but, if operators and drivers collude to get round them, they will. From 3 log books, Billy MaGuire, magnets and now OBD plugs it just keeps going on. If it’s not that it’s two cards, false cards or just plain no card.
I think the firms involved should be banned from entering the UK for such blatant abuse of the rules.
No wonder they can undercut rates like they do. Pay the driver for ten hours and watch the muppet work for twenty.
yourhavingalarf:
A good example of experienced VOSA (DVSA what ever they’re called these days) knowing exactly what to look for.I think the firms involved should be banned from entering the UK for such blatant abuse of the rules.
No wonder they can undercut rates like they do. Pay the driver for ten hours and watch the muppet work for twenty.
I agree, a £580 fine, is bugger all. If they are effectively double shifting a motor, but making it look like its only single shifted.
Makes me glad I don’t drive in the “for profit” sector…
Do you see Brit firms doing this? I thought they just used two cards?
Funny penalty.Company can make money profit with magnet and pay this 580 quid.Penalty for this must at least 3-5 thousand or truck seized.But 580 company pay and forget this and will use magnet again and make extra money .
F-reds:
yourhavingalarf:
A good example of experienced VOSA (DVSA what ever they’re called these days) knowing exactly what to look for.I think the firms involved should be banned from entering the UK for such blatant abuse of the rules.
No wonder they can undercut rates like they do. Pay the driver for ten hours and watch the muppet work for twenty.
I agree, a £580 fine, is bugger all. If they are effectively double shifting a motor, but making it look like its only single shifted.
Makes me glad I don’t drive in the “for profit” sector…
That £580 comes out of the drivers pocket, plus he’ll need to get a new tacho unit because he won’t be allowed to drive with the one he’s fiddled with. It does hurt both the driver and the operator because the truck can’t move until its sorted. If the wheels aren’t turning, the truck isn’t earning so his boss is going to be ■■■■■■■
Radar19:
F-reds:
yourhavingalarf:
A good example of experienced VOSA (DVSA what ever they’re called these days) knowing exactly what to look for.I think the firms involved should be banned from entering the UK for such blatant abuse of the rules.
No wonder they can undercut rates like they do. Pay the driver for ten hours and watch the muppet work for twenty.
I agree, a £580 fine, is bugger all. If they are effectively double shifting a motor, but making it look like its only single shifted.
Makes me glad I don’t drive in the “for profit” sector…
That £580 comes out of the drivers pocket, plus he’ll need to get a new tacho unit because he won’t be allowed to drive with the one he’s fiddled with. It does hurt both the driver and the operator because the truck can’t move until its sorted. If the wheels aren’t turning, the truck isn’t earning so his boss is going to be ■■■■■■■
Most company pay for driver this .All dependhow many miles was done by use magnet.Example from last penalty drivers was use in one truck magnet some time and done 1000 miles.So he anyway in profit after penalty.If he done just 100 miles and must pay penalty that he is looser.
Plus if driver was in traffic or no parking spaces that if he not use magnet that he get 3-5 infrigement and in France he can get ££££ penalty.So again must more cheap pay 580 quid.
And in new truck from 2013 magnet not work because this gauge in gearbox(where need put magnet) not from metal but from some ceramics.
That penalty is a joke, should be ordered to return the load to sender if loaded in Britain, if an import load sent back over the water without being allowed to deliver (escorted by someone official the offender has to pay all expenses for), and then driver vehicle and company banned from entering the country again.
Juddian:
That penalty is a joke, should be ordered to return the load to sender if loaded in Britain, if an import load sent back over the water without being allowed to deliver (escorted by someone official the offender has to pay all expenses for), and then driver vehicle and company banned from entering the country again.
Exactly. Crime should NOT pay. 580 quid is a pittance.
Franglais:
Juddian:
That penalty is a joke, should be ordered to return the load to sender if loaded in Britain, if an import load sent back over the water without being allowed to deliver (escorted by someone official the offender has to pay all expenses for), and then driver vehicle and company banned from entering the country again.Exactly. Crime should NOT pay. 580 quid is a pittance.
In Uk all penalty -for car,truck drivers just pittance.If goverment want more safety in road that penalty for all must be X3-5.And as well much strong penalty for driver who have first time mistake .Now plenty driver drive and think-ok my licence clean,police was not stopped me long time or never,insurance protected with legal advice and courtesy car.And drivers overspeeding ,drive without care because he know who police not give him penalty (may be just speed awareness course).
Radar19:
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yourhavingalarf:
A good example of experienced VOSA (DVSA what ever they’re called these days) knowing exactly what to look for.I think the firms involved should be banned from entering the UK for such blatant abuse of the rules.
No wonder they can undercut rates like they do. Pay the driver for ten hours and watch the muppet work for twenty.
I agree, a £580 fine, is bugger all. If they are effectively double shifting a motor, but making it look like its only single shifted.
Makes me glad I don’t drive in the “for profit” sector…
That £580 comes out of the drivers pocket, plus he’ll need to get a new tacho unit because he won’t be allowed to drive with the one he’s fiddled with. It does hurt both the driver and the operator because the truck can’t move until its sorted. If the wheels aren’t turning, the truck isn’t earning so his boss is going to be ■■■■■■■
True, but as soon as they go home they can get their friendly Tacho fitter to put a new defeat device on board and send it straight back, double shifting it again, cutting the legs off YOUR company that runs legal.
The company and the driver can make that money back very quickly I would imagine.
F-reds:
Radar19:
F-reds:
yourhavingalarf:
A good example of experienced VOSA (DVSA what ever they’re called these days) knowing exactly what to look for.I think the firms involved should be banned from entering the UK for such blatant abuse of the rules.
No wonder they can undercut rates like they do. Pay the driver for ten hours and watch the muppet work for twenty.
I agree, a £580 fine, is bugger all. If they are effectively double shifting a motor, but making it look like its only single shifted.
Makes me glad I don’t drive in the “for profit” sector…
That £580 comes out of the drivers pocket, plus he’ll need to get a new tacho unit because he won’t be allowed to drive with the one he’s fiddled with. It does hurt both the driver and the operator because the truck can’t move until its sorted. If the wheels aren’t turning, the truck isn’t earning so his boss is going to be ■■■■■■■
True, but as soon as they go home they can get their friendly Tacho fitter to put a new defeat device on board and send it straight back, double shifting it again, cutting the legs off YOUR company that runs legal.
The company and the driver can make that money back very quickly I would imagine.
So the cycle continues. Running bent is and will always be a problem. From logbooks to Frisbee style, to digital. Doesn’t matter what system is used, people always find a way around. Its cat and mouse, the cat finds a mouse hole, the mouse will find another hole to use.
The problem is, the operators that knowly run their drivers bent are based far out of the UK’s reach and being still in the EU we can’t decide what to do with them other than finening the driver then stripping the truck to find the cheat device. As far as legal implications go, I don’t know what would happen if you ordered the truck and contents back to France because thats as far as they would get before they’d just turn around and come straight back. What say does the customer or the sender of the load have? Maybe it would be a wakeup call to companies that try to get the cheapest possible price for shipment.
Anyone would think running bent was a shock.
You old guys often boast about the ‘‘glory days’’ using analogue charts just when it suited 
- there is no difference here other than its advanced technology doing the messing.
ajt:
Anyone would think running bent was a shock.
You old guys often boast about the ‘‘glory days’’ using analogue charts just when it suited
+1 on that.
But it should be a case of play by our rules, or don’t play in this country. At all. If a domestic haulier is found with this kind of device they should be invited to turn in their O License, not be fined.
The only true way of stopping it, is custodial sentences. The operator can pay the fines, but only the driver can serve the time
Why does everybody assume it’s only foreign companies who cheat■■?
I guess there is many a British company / Driver who is bent, or use devices to cheat.
Many are their worst enemy, and drive for pennies.
The current problem is that many operators (from 1 man bands to multi nationals) have to drive at any price.
The big finance companies got them by the throat, and will take anything they own if there is no monies coming in.
Where are the times gone that the gaffer could say “just park it up and brush the yard, I am not running for pocket money” ■■
It scares me when I see owner drivers coming on here and asking what their tarif should be, you should have a business plan that covers every angle!!!
This is the biggest underlying factor of cheating devices on tacho’s, contracts at cut throat prices, which only can be made pay, by cutting corners.
And yes there has been cheating since Adam was a lad, mostly out of greediness, either from the driver, or the operator.
And sometimes a driver would cheat to get to the right parking and have a weekend partying in Llorett de Mar 