Christ.
Looks like the dark side of the flannel force has new recruits.
Darth Beezle
Darth Robroy
Darth Juddian
Don’t let Emperor Carryfast seduce you into posting very long boring post’s.
Evil8Beezle:
Stop grooming the new lad!I kind of agree, but think the container drivers, along with others that book 70+ hours a week won’t be so happy with that idea.
However, if they were more limited in the hours they could do, wouldn’t the hourly rate have to be upped to compensate?
Or don’t they want more time off?
Grooming? Well it worked with you! 
Maybe you are right, each to his own, but I am talking as somebody who has done it, but still thinks 70+ is just too bloody much in modern times.
And who knows maybe the rate would go up, maybe so in an ideal world, but it all boils down to the same old thing, unity among drivers, and standing up.
I will just stick to my own way of doing things, and hours in the meantime.
Conor:
robroy:
Conor mate,… very magnanimous of you not to resort to having a pop at me, or a cheap jibe for winding you up. For taking all the stick I aimed at you in the spirit it was intended, and explaining.
We all make mistakes , even me…onceNew Years resolution to try and be a bit more considerate on the forums. Might make it to the end of the week…
That’s nothing.
I promised somebody on here that I would try and stop coming across on here as an arrogant bast…I lasted a day and a half
eagerbeaver:
Christ.Looks like the dark side of the flannel force has new recruits.
Darth Robroy
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Well I did say once on here …‘‘Evil8b I AM your father’’
Haha. What’s next? Conor might clone you.
Agency TNET Clone war.
Or should I say Agency Clown war?
eagerbeaver:
Haha. What’s next? Conor might clone you.Agency TNET Clone war.
Or should I say Agency Clown war?
Nah, one of me is unpopular enough on here, two might be a bit too much.
The op says he’s in a dead end job earning close to the minimum wage. Why would he want to drive a truck then?
peter s:
The op says he’s in a dead end job earning close to the minimum wage. Why would he want to drive a truck then?
Christ, aren’t you a ray of sunshine?
Maybe he fancies it, job happiness is worth a lot to some people.
robroy:
Benjie83:
As an incoming noob currently having to revise for all this wtd, tacho and all the other stuff I have to be honest and say that it is all a completely confusing mess.Now not wanting to sound too idealistic why do we simply not have two rules…
If ya in uk you have 12hrs all in a day working be it driving and working or whatever but soon as 12 done you have x off then start again on 12…do this for 5days then two full days off. Or take one hour a day off, put it on lay away and do a 6th day at 6hours?
If in EU soon as on their soil same applies.
Guessing I’m an idealist and best go get me coat…
All this stuff is genuinely melting my brain tbh, I’m more interested in learning how to secure loads proper, and get driving safely… Its genuinely off putting me towards this choice of career now lol as I’ve only got 11 month to get it all done and get my C ticket, at this rate I should be doing my theory in 10months
Anyway back off too the noob forum now, apologies gents
Not at all mate, you talk sense, although one or two on here will choose not to think so.
Case in point, …a new lad, keen, trying his best to learn the more important aspects of the job that actually make you ‘a driver’ and at the same time having to jump through hoops to learn a pile of crap, a lot of which he may never use in the real world.
A simplified basic version is needed. The system that you mention, well the UK part anyway, is very similar to the old system when I started, well as far as I recall, 12.5 on, 11 or 12 off, granted then things were a LOT different, not all for the better either, but we all managed quite easily on the whole.
As you say a confusing mess, a more complicated set of regs (as somebody else said) as an airline pilot, and for what.
Funnily enough I’ve just had this conversation with me mam, now she had been involved in haulage for many years’, has held her C1 and remembers haulage from 70’s to early 90’s very very very well, and can still now do her tacos’, remembers her allocations for what an the like hahahaha.
Now when I started explaining all this stuff to her she simply laughed and said…what happened to your tacho an logbook being enough, an she remembers when it were just the log and tachometer were an unknown horizon…
I’ve promised her a look at my 126 page docket amongst the others needed to get through this, she has politely told me too sheet it onto the bed proper, run it to EU headquarters…(remembering ferries, the weather, life is viciously reliable and predictable…)…then promptly reverse it through front door…
I’ve too make sure its still secure an sheeted correctly, follow the correct mathematical equations to be sure I’ve arrived with 3.5 seconds to spare, get me nap in, then get landing handle away into cab before departure so the twits can spend an hour figuring out how too sort a situation that a driver may come across(missing handle… )…rather than typing up contradictory bollox to penalise the good and reward the infidels…
Total respect she has for legislation, regulation, but like she said how the hell are you as a new driver or an old skool who is already battling uk roads, deadlines, and the mere thought of keeping your foot in door supposed to battle all this too…unfair and ridiculous.
Me well I just don’t understand why we as at the moment being part of the “EU”… Don’t all have a united rule book across the lot of us, what’s good for the goose here is good for their gander here or there…, as a noob in my current job I’m contracted 10hrs -1 unpaid for lunch, 5days a week regardless of what I’m doing where, its part of my 10 hrs, yeah I may do 12hrs but it time an a bit, I’ve a choice, and I’ve a job coz I’m prepared to take a hit for good of company as hey they keep me earning…
Sorry for the essay but ■■■■ me if this is what European unity is doing for us, well be jeeez I’m turning Aussie, seems they bout only sane ones left…
As for being groomed, I currently serve my masters for £6.75 an random crates of liquor…if anyone wants an LGV driving apprentice, I will work for same pay, minus liquor and will accommodate ■■■■■■ favours for good employers 
peter s:
The op says he’s in a dead end job earning close to the minimum wage. Why would he want to drive a truck then?
To be honest I’m sick of grafting and breathing in dust and smoke and crap in my current and former jobs and feel it would be nice to get out on the open road, I’ve also always loved trucks, and wondered what it would be like to be king of the road 
and I’m sick of being in the same old four walls day in day out. Never seeing natural light from morning to finish.
Are you in prison minky?
It feels like it lol 
eagerbeaver:
Are you in prison minky?
looking for a penpal eager ?
New beatch.
Last one got released on parole.
eagerbeaver:
New beatch.Last one got released on parole.
Raymond the ■■■■■■■ stopped writing back? :lol
Can someone explain to me,what is poa?what’s it for? I have been off the rd a good few years I never had a digi what’s it or CPC, I worked o log sheets,log book, then tachco till I finished.
Why should any one work 3x15 and 2x13hr days? Would that be written in your contract to do ?
I am no angle but I only did 12 1\2 a day to me that was 8 hr work and 4 1\2 overtime, I still got the job done,I did do extra off needed but was rarely asked to do it
How can it be right to have 9 hr off then start again, I feel sorry for drivers of today it seems a mine field of red tape
I’ve read this from page one and to robroy, I don’t think your arrogant at all, probably like me you speak your mind,say what you believe is right, some times its took the rong way,so be it
I hope this hasn’t caused offence to any one,certainly wasn’t intended!!
F-reds:
Why cant the material used in the courses be standardised, and verified by the DVSA or JAUPT before they are presented to poor guys who know no better? It might cut down some of the accidentally incorrect advice given out on here!
I reckon this just might happen. JAUPT did a survey amongst training centres asking about this and from rumours I hear I think it might happen one day. It does worry me who’ll put it all together and what they’ll charge for the use. I create my own excellent training material for free … Don’t fancy having to pay
Unfortunately it won’t stop those delivering the Training who just shouldn’t be. Let’s face it - ALL the correct information is readily available in various locations but Training providers still get it wrong.
Trunker08. POA is a mode which some employers use to rinse you like an old dishcloth.
It’s also known as ’ bend over and take it ’ mode.
shep532:
F-reds:
Why cant the material used in the courses be standardised, and verified by the DVSA or JAUPT before they are presented to poor guys who know no better? It might cut down some of the accidentally incorrect advice given out on here!I reckon this just might happen. JAUPT did a survey amongst training centres asking about this and from rumours I hear I think it might happen one day. It does worry me who’ll put it all together and what they’ll charge for the use. I create my own excellent training material for free … Don’t fancy having to pay
Unfortunately it won’t stop those delivering the Training who just shouldn’t be. Let’s face it - ALL the correct information is readily available in various locations but Training providers still get it wrong.
Shep as I’m sure you know, guys like you aren’t the problem. I’m sure they will let you use their newly devised materials for free… Oh wait, no they won’t!
I just hope that a move like that can give the dCPC some validation, because lets face it, while in the hands of an exceptional trainer its great. But I’m guessing there ain’t many of them around…
Evil8Beezle:
But as a little teaser, I’d like to post a question for the EXPERTS!When I was broken down for just shy of 6 hours a few weeks back, I put the Tacho on Break. Now it occurred to me, that I couldn’t use POA, as I didn’t know how long I would be there, and it wasn’t like I was available for other work anyway… Now if I had been sat there another 3 hours, I’d have had a “Reduced Rest”, and therefore (in my mind) able to start a new days shift. Now without looking at the regs, would/could that have started the moment I completed my 9 hour reduced rest, or 24 hours after I started the shift that morning? I’d look at the rules myself, but don’t expect I’d find the answer there that easily. Plus I want to see how much confusion and mayhem i can cause here!
I’m fairly sure I could have started a new 24 hour shift immediately after the 9 hour reduced rest, but it wasn’t exactly a rest, as i had to be available for when the mechanic arrived, and when he was working on the truck, should I have put the Tacho to Other work?
Now then - I’m sure I’m not one of the experts you refer to but … should I attempt answer this?
Oh go on then - lets get some more ‘discussions’ going and get this thread up to at least 10 pages.
In my opinion you ‘could’ have used POA but were better off using break. I say you ‘could’ have used POA because the WTD simply says the driver must ‘know’ how long the period will be - but does not have to be told. DVSA, TCs etc cannot possibly ever prove what you ‘know’ or how you ‘know’ it. You say you knew how long it would be - they say no you didn’t. They ask how you knew and your answer is “I don’t know - I just knew!! A thought just popped into my head - I bet he’ll be 6 bloody hours - and he was!!” Some will argue it couldn’t be POA because you were stuck ‘at the workplace’ to which I would argue the WTD allows for this if it is prudent to do so due to the drivers health and safety then he can record a POA at the workplace. You were safer in the cab than on the side of the road. This whole POA thing is a farce. You did right recording break - I just thought I’d start another 567 posts about POA and WTD.
As for the question about 9 hours reduced rest. I would suggest that you could have recorded it as such if you were happy to do so and gone straight into a new shift afterwards. (Of course you haven’t given all the exact timings so there is an element of guess work here!) I know some will argue you weren’t ‘free to dispose of your time as you so wish etc’ and therefore it wasn’t rest. I would say that if you chose to sit around in the cab then you were indeed disposing of your time as you wished - just as a driver does on a night out in a layby. I am guessing you had a sleeper cab and therefore it could be rest if you wanted it to be. (Or is that the test? You didn’t have a sleeper cab■■? )
The fact you had to be available to assist the mechanic is irrelevant until he arrives. When he does arrive the rest is interrupted and therefore finished - if it didn’t make the 9 hours - tough. If it did make the 9 hours - then you are on a new shift.
In the circumstances you describe you most certainly should not have recorded other work. As it stands I believe you did the right thing and had the mechanic been delayed further allowing you to record ‘break’ for 9 hours - you could then have classed that as ‘rest’ and if needed started a new shift or indeed not started a new shift - whatever suited you and your boss.
So - who’s gonna start the arguments then?