Radar19:
Go watch some junior doctors working, its more than just sitting in a room seeing a few people a day.
Depends on what grade they are.
Please tell us exactly what each grade of junior doctor does then, oh Agency Know It All That Can’t Hold Down A Proper Job.
Well a Specialty Registrar is likely to do a lot of sitting in a room seeing a few people a day as they’re just one step away from becoming a Consultant or GP.
And whilst we’re talking about agency are you aware there are a lot of agency doctors working in hospitals and GP surgeries?
Bking:
Booked a medical the other day at my local GPs
Thing that really ■■■■■■ me is that the medical at my GPs was to be done at 4.50 in the afternoon when this “doctor” is supposed to be seeing patients with possibly a far greater need than me,in NHS time and in an NHS facility
With any other “profession” this would be called fiddle but for these pillars of society it ok.
And these people are telling us that they are “protecting” the NHS?
My ■■■.As they say the parasites are overwhelming the bloody host.
Just like to put you straight on these particular ‘facts’ (or assumptions more like)…
GP surgeries are businesses… the buildings are either owned by a partnership, or rented by the partnership. They will be paying either a 3rd party, or a financial company, for the provision of the building and the equipment.
GP provision is a contract entered into by the GP with the NHS to provide a service - they get paid in this contract only when this service is provided. So your appointment is not being paid for by the NHS. Your appointment id being paid for by you.
You also assume that you are disadvantaging someone else by taking up an appointment slot. You do not know if this slot was in the standard clinic time for the GP; it could well have been during his/her admin time. I’ve no doubt this appointment would have been during the ‘routine’ clinics, and that patients with urgent appointments could be seen if required by the duty doctor. Standard practice has one doctor covering the urgent clinics daily. These clinics are open to patients who have unforeseen urgent issues.
So you are slating your GP for trying to ‘fiddle’ the system when in fact, he is running a business, with the usual business overheads, and is free to run that business as they see fit. Not to mention the fact that you are asking your GP to confirm that you are fit to drive, and in the event you ■■■■ up, he will have to defend that decision possibly in a court of law, possibly in a coroners court. To cover for this he will have to pay for professional indemnity insurance of around £2000 pa, on top of public liability, employers liability, business rate etc…
Regarding the rate paid, that fee will go into the practice account, not the GP’s back pocket, and therefore, again, supports the practice as a whole. Further, as higher rate tax payers, and no doubt probably only seeing one or two medicals such as this a month, your £110 is reduced to £66 quid. The reason the medical (limper) agencies can offer them cheaper is their overheads are lower, and they process many more per day than your average GP would in a year. Simple economies of scale mean they can afford to make a smaller profit, which is boosted by the qty they process.
Now you’re moaning about having the ability to have your HGV medical at your local GP surgery - the same surgery where you can have your jabs for holidays in exotic countries, should you need them, paid for of course, but something you no doubt believe you have a right to.
So next time you bang on about how corrupt your GP is for running his business and providing you with a service, as he sees fit, perhaps put a bit of thought into what you are writing…
So why did the greedy SOB want cash?
No credit card or cheque strictly cash?
Come on feed me ■■■■.
Bking:
Booked a medical the other day at my local GPs
Thing that really ■■■■■■ me is that the medical at my GPs was to be done at 4.50 in the afternoon when this “doctor” is supposed to be seeing patients with possibly a far greater need than me,in NHS time and in an NHS facility
With any other “profession” this would be called fiddle but for these pillars of society it ok.
And these people are telling us that they are “protecting” the NHS?
My ■■■.As they say the parasites are overwhelming the bloody host.
Just like to put you straight on these particular ‘facts’ (or assumptions more like)…
GP surgeries are businesses… the buildings are either owned by a partnership, or rented by the partnership. They will be paying either a 3rd party, or a financial company, for the provision of the building and the equipment.
GP provision is a contract entered into by the GP with the NHS to provide a service - they get paid in this contract only when this service is provided. So your appointment is not being paid for by the NHS. Your appointment id being paid for by you.
You also assume that you are disadvantaging someone else by taking up an appointment slot. You do not know if this slot was in the standard clinic time for the GP; it could well have been during his/her admin time. I’ve no doubt this appointment would have been during the ‘routine’ clinics, and that patients with urgent appointments could be seen if required by the duty doctor. Standard practice has one doctor covering the urgent clinics daily. These clinics are open to patients who have unforeseen urgent issues.
So you are slating your GP for trying to ‘fiddle’ the system when in fact, he is running a business, with the usual business overheads, and is free to run that business as they see fit. Not to mention the fact that you are asking your GP to confirm that you are fit to drive, and in the event you ■■■■ up, he will have to defend that decision possibly in a court of law, possibly in a coroners court. To cover for this he will have to pay for professional indemnity insurance of around £2000 pa, on top of public liability, employers liability, business rate etc…
Regarding the rate paid, that fee will go into the practice account, not the GP’s back pocket, and therefore, again, supports the practice as a whole. Further, as higher rate tax payers, and no doubt probably only seeing one or two medicals such as this a month, your £110 is reduced to £66 quid. The reason the medical (limper) agencies can offer them cheaper is their overheads are lower, and they process many more per day than your average GP would in a year. Simple economies of scale mean they can afford to make a smaller profit, which is boosted by the qty they process.
Now you’re moaning about having the ability to have your HGV medical at your local GP surgery - the same surgery where you can have your jabs for holidays in exotic countries, should you need them, paid for of course, but something you no doubt believe you have a right to.
So next time you bang on about how corrupt your GP is for running his business and providing you with a service, as he sees fit, perhaps put a bit of thought into what you are writing…
Touched a nerve have we? I mean the GREEDY nerve?
The nerve that tells you that somehow 10 minutes of your “precious” time equates to a “menial” truck drivers full days pay plus his night out money.You people really are beneath contempt.What can you say when faced with such arrogance.
One day these (is there a word for these “people”) I struggle to find one,will need a “friend” fortunately they will not find one.And they will die and the world will become a far better place.
maga:
No offense OP but you seem sour because you paid over the odds due to not shopping around, not really the doctors fault is it
good on the doctors for standing up for themselves, they’re worth every penny and more.
Well said plus they all stick together,in this game you need to watch your back all the time,just reading the replies on this forum when someone dares to ask for advice confirms this,not everyone but a lot of them just take the ■■■■.
I have used doctors on wheels, which is about £50. I am unemployed so cannot afford the full gp but next time I will use it. Most likely then I have my licence too and therefore can afford to pay, if that fastens the medical licence process, and also happy to do so if that keeps me on the road.
Others have posted good points so don’t ■■■■■ doctors, do your homework and find cheaper options if that’s so important. And that’s only a regular check up, I take it?
bazza123:
Agreed 3W. A junior doctor earns a very middling wage considering the responsibility they have.
A junior doctor is any hospital doctor below consultant, once they have completed specialist training they will be on about 70K. So to my mind junior doctors are very well rewarded for their efforts. I see very little altruism within the NHS as a group they always seem phenomenaly greedy and money grabbing to me (including the nurses).
I would have it written into their contracts that if they ever leave the NHS to work abroad, then they must pay back the cost of all their training.
Truckers should have the legal right to remove the cyclist from their recycled ironing board, and drive backwards and forwards over the pushrod until it resembles a pile of metal fragments.
Then the cyclist becomes a pedestrian. Far safer, thus reducing the need for medical care.
bazza123:
Agreed 3W. A junior doctor earns a very middling wage considering the responsibility they have.
A junior doctor is any hospital doctor below consultant, once they have completed specialist training they will be on about 70K. So to my mind junior doctors are very well rewarded for their efforts. I see very little altruism within the NHS as a group they always seem phenomenaly greedy and money grabbing to me (including the nurses).
I would have it written into their contracts that if they ever leave the NHS to work abroad, then they must pay back the cost of all their training.
Junior doctors start on £23k after university and take seven more yrs of costs and training to get to registrar level and probably another 4 to get to Consultant.
Junior docs average a 55 hr week of shifts covering any 5days and still have to study in the Uk.
Less money than lots of steering wheel attendants !
eagerbeaver:
You have made a decent point there mate.
Truckers should have the legal right to remove the cyclist from their recycled ironing board, and drive backwards and forwards over the pushrod until it resembles a pile of metal fragments.
Then the cyclist becomes a pedestrian. Far safer, thus reducing the need for medical care.
If that was t happen to mine … I could imagine the medical cost involved in extracting a fully freighted tautliner from up a truckers jacksie would be quite eyewatering.
'tis easy to sit at your keyboard and girn about how much you think you were ripped for a medical (I’m sure the relatives of the Glasgow bin lorry victims would have plenty to say on THAT subject also!) but when you or your relatives get seriously ill or are rushed to casualty after an accident are you going to sit and quiz these professionals on how much they make? No–thought not --you’ll let them use all the years of the worlds best training they’ve had to go through to make your loved one’s or yourself better, even though you don’t really deserve it
There seems to be a bit of a misunderstanding between a “Junior Doctor” (employed and paid by the NHS) and a “General Practitioner” (employed by a “practice”, and paid a set rate by the NHS based on the number of patients they have, but able to take on their own paid work). They’re two totally different things.
I’m behind the doctors for sticking together and for the job they do.
This post re confirms my thought that many lorry drivers are brain dead ■■■■■■■■■
After A levels a doctor has another seven years training so are entitled to a decent wage.
my wife works for the NHS, and works closely with junior doctors ect, her dept over the last 2 years as been reduced by 50% in staffing, but the community area that they can cover as increased by approx 75%, coupled with many of the areas they cover having a massive increase in housing.
she as also been recently asked wether she would be interested in training as a doctor, as she already as a degree and the first 2 years of her training was the same as a doctor, but the reason for this is because there as been a dramatic fall in the numbers of people wanting to train as doctors.
although contracted to 38 hours she is working around 50, as well as bringing the admin side of it home to do. but its not just her doing it, her whole dept are doing the same as well as other depts, and not just in her hospital but all hospitals up and down the country. The junior docs have chosen to take a stand but its not just for them its for all, my wife is in a professional union but its in there contract that they could face disciplinary action if they strike or speak out…
the pressure and stress she can be but under is unbelievable unless you actually witness it. relatives of patients ect many times do not understand and take their frustrations out on the wrong people. try whilst being in a supermarket with your kids whilst a patients relatives call your wife names and accuse her of not caring for their relative, when in fact they could not be arsed to visit until the patients last few hours.
all this for 30k, i now drive days only mon-fri and prob do an average of 50 hours a week for the same money, i know which i prefer…
The op needs his memory checked, cos he’s forgotten all about another post where he was talking st about reduction hubs. Now he’s talking st about doctors… p***k !
GOG47:
but when you or your relatives get seriously ill or are rushed to casualty after an accident are you going to sit and quiz these professionals on how much they make? No–thought not --you’ll let them use all the years of the worlds best training they’ve had to go through to make your loved one’s or yourself better, even though you don’t really deserve it
This is just playing on emotions, of course when anyone is in their greatest hour of need they will be happy to pay them the earth. But in reality if the NHS is to exist then a level of remuneration needs to be established, I believe they are already well rewarded, you may believe they deserve more, but would you be happy with an extra 5p on income tax to fund this reward, or may be even 10p, who knows how high pay would go before they said ‘no-more’
I don’t have a problem with them asking for more money, its human nature, we all want more money. But the bit that sticks in my gullet with the doctors is; they are forever banging on about this vocational calling, this high degree of altruism, we only care about the patients, when at the same time continuously wanting more money, threatening strike action, threatening to take their skills (all paid for by us) off to a foreign land where they can earn more money. There is nothing even remotely saintly about these people, they are just ordinary people doing ordinary jobs.
GOG47:
but when you or your relatives get seriously ill or are rushed to casualty after an accident are you going to sit and quiz these professionals on how much they make? No–thought not --you’ll let them use all the years of the worlds best training they’ve had to go through to make your loved one’s or yourself better, even though you don’t really deserve it
This is just playing on emotions, of course when anyone is in their greatest hour of need they will be happy to pay them the earth. But in reality if the NHS is to exist then a level of remuneration needs to be established, I believe they are already well rewarded, you may believe they deserve more, but would you be happy with an extra 5p on income tax to fund this reward, or may be even 10p, who knows how high pay would go before they said ‘no-more’
I don’t have a problem with them asking for more money, its human nature, we all want more money. But the bit that sticks in my gullet with the doctors is; they are forever banging on about this vocational calling, this high degree of altruism, we only care about the patients, when at the same time continuously wanting more money, threatening strike action, threatening to take their skills (all paid for by us) off to a foreign land where they can earn more money. There is nothing even remotely saintly about these people, they are just ordinary people doing ordinary jobs.
No quite right. I also don’t believe the “calling” thing. They are normal people. Quite right. But I didn’t think they are asking for more money, just to keep the same, no? It is true, the private/overseas sector is open to well valued trained UK staff.
I don’t think they’re over paid. Some people on here want lorry wages at current Doctor wages (it’s not that much). I’ve friends who are doctors. They earn good enough money after many years. GP hours burning and overtime aside (they are the ones who’s figures you read about), not many of the doctors that cut you open at hospital are on more than 60k a year. The big money comes from private work registrars do. Non I know pretend to do the job for any reason than they like it/find it interesting/ feel stuck in it. One is a very close friend who chucked it in and became aircrew. It also has bad hours and a hell of a lot of pressure. Frying pan/ fire
