Supporting our poor overworked doctors?

bking · 26 February 2016 21:57

Booked a medical the other day at my local GPs
Was informed that it would cost me 110 quid with no eye test.
Met a mate of mine who told to look at gettingamedical.co.uk on line

Booked it on line for 48 quid including eye test.
Thing that really ■■■■■■ me is that the medical at my GPs was to be done at 4.50 in the afternoon when this “doctor” is supposed to be seeing patients with possibly a far greater need than me,in NHS time and in an NHS facility
With any other “profession” this would be called fiddle but for these pillars of society it ok.

And these people are telling us that they are “protecting” the NHS?
My ass.As they say the parasites are overwhelming the bloody host.

dle1uk · 27 February 2016 17:21

Thing that really ■■■■■■ me is that the medical at my GPs was to be done at 4.50 in the afternoon when this “doctor” is supposed to be seeing patients with possibly a far greater need than me,in NHS time and in an NHS facility

thats why you were asked to pay so much for it… Loads of places offer cheaper medicals as this is what they do and its how they earn money, going to a GP for a driver medical imho is wasting your own and their time, they dont want to do it which again is why they charge so much.

radar19 · 27 February 2016 17:23

Go watch some junior doctors working, its more than just sitting in a room seeing a few people a day.

conor · 27 February 2016 17:54

Radar19:
Go watch some junior doctors working, its more than just sitting in a room seeing a few people a day.

Depends on what grade they are.

tango_boy · 27 February 2016 17:56

Conor:

Radar19:
Go watch some junior doctors working, its more than just sitting in a room seeing a few people a day.

Depends on what grade they are.

Yeah some could be Agency

gingo · 27 February 2016 18:02

going to a GP for a driver medical imho is wasting their time, they dont want to do it which again is why they charge so much.
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not in my experience. my GP had a HUGE smile on his face when I booked my £110 medical. didn’t bother me, cos company paid.
and I wanted a proper, full medical to know I was ok. my doctors is a practice with a few docs, but the top doc ? always done it.
one time I had been of work for a week with a minor problem, cant mind what. medical booked for 5pm Friday. {after nhs practice closed so ok.}, medical done ok. asked doc for a line to start back work as company want sick line. he was not very happy at all, saying I should have booked a separate nhs appointment for this. he did give me line, (took about 10 seconds to scribble it }. and I thought .‘what a miserable bas###d, ive just gave him £110. for a few minutes work and he wants more’ greedy ba####d.

damoq · 27 February 2016 18:08

I was quite fortunate. My doctor never charged me a penny for my medical when I first applied for my hgv license. He asked if it was me or my company who was paying for the medical. I told him I was paying for it myself, and he refused to take a penny from me. He said he would only charge if it was the company footing the bill.

chaversdad · 27 February 2016 18:43

I thought this post was titled " over worked dockers" when i first saw it

el_presidente · 27 February 2016 20:21

Bking:
Booked a medical the other day at my local GPs
Was informed that it would cost me 110 quid with no eye test.
Met a mate of mine who told to look at gettingamedical.co.uk on line

Booked it on line for 48 quid including eye test.
Thing that really ■■■■■■ me is that the medical at my GPs was to be done at 4.50 in the afternoon when this “doctor” is supposed to be seeing patients with possibly a far greater need than me,in NHS time and in an NHS facility
With any other “profession” this would be called fiddle but for these pillars of society it ok.

And these people are telling us that they are “protecting” the NHS?
My ■■■.As they say the parasites are overwhelming the bloody host.

Awesomely stereotyped rose tinted blinkers post. I’m sure you know a crap load about what these boys and girls get up to, to make such informed off the cuff judgements.

the-snowman · 27 February 2016 20:31

tango boy:

Conor:

Radar19:
Go watch some junior doctors working, its more than just sitting in a room seeing a few people a day.

Depends on what grade they are.

Yeah some could be Agency

Ooooooooooooooooooft and the bait has been lain!

raymundo · 27 February 2016 21:44

chaversdad:
I thought this post was titled " over worked dockers" when i first saw it

Never since the beginning of time has one of those existed !

olog_hai · 27 February 2016 22:43

Conor:

Radar19:
Go watch some junior doctors working, its more than just sitting in a room seeing a few people a day.

Depends on what grade they are.

Please tell us exactly what each grade of junior doctor does then, oh Agency Know It All That Can’t Hold Down A Proper Job.

maga · 27 February 2016 22:55

No offense OP but you seem sour because you paid over the odds due to not shopping around, not really the doctors fault is it

good on the doctors for standing up for themselves, they’re worth every penny and more.

conor · 27 February 2016 23:04

Olog Hai:

Conor:

Radar19:
Go watch some junior doctors working, its more than just sitting in a room seeing a few people a day.

Depends on what grade they are.

Please tell us exactly what each grade of junior doctor does then, oh Agency Know It All That Can’t Hold Down A Proper Job.

Well a Specialty Registrar is likely to do a lot of sitting in a room seeing a few people a day as they’re just one step away from becoming a Consultant or GP.

And whilst we’re talking about agency are you aware there are a lot of agency doctors working in hospitals and GP surgeries?

3_wheeler · 27 February 2016 23:16

Bking:
Booked a medical the other day at my local GPs
Was informed that it would cost me 110 quid with no eye test.
Met a mate of mine who told to look at gettingamedical.co.uk on line

Booked it on line for 48 quid including eye test.
Thing that really ■■■■■■ me is that the medical at my GPs was to be done at 4.50 in the afternoon when this “doctor” is supposed to be seeing patients with possibly a far greater need than me,in NHS time and in an NHS facility
With any other “profession” this would be called fiddle but for these pillars of society it ok.

And these people are telling us that they are “protecting” the NHS?
My ■■■.As they say the parasites are overwhelming the bloody host.

Just perhaps you should read the real FACTS before opening your mouth.
My Missus is a Consultant doctor and she totally agrees with the junior doctors strike.
This country will soon be left with so few juniors that seeing a vet might be the only answer …the pay conditions and costs are driving more and more to leave to Oz and NZ or killing themselves due to stress and exhaustion. That prat Jeremy Hunt wants to wreck the NHS to privatise it…and this is how he is doing it. It stinks . Then you will be paying a fortune for Private care like in the USA.

el_presidente · 27 February 2016 23:20

Bking:
Booked a medical the other day at my local GPs

Thing that really ■■■■■■ me is that the medical at my GPs was to be done at 4.50 in the afternoon when this “doctor” is supposed to be seeing patients with possibly a far greater need than me,in NHS time and in an NHS facility
With any other “profession” this would be called fiddle but for these pillars of society it ok.

And these people are telling us that they are “protecting” the NHS?
My ■■■.As they say the parasites are overwhelming the bloody host.

Just like to put you straight on these particular ‘facts’ (or assumptions more like)…

GP surgeries are businesses… the buildings are either owned by a partnership, or rented by the partnership. They will be paying either a 3rd party, or a financial company, for the provision of the building and the equipment.

GP provision is a contract entered into by the GP with the NHS to provide a service - they get paid in this contract only when this service is provided. So your appointment is not being paid for by the NHS. Your appointment id being paid for by you.

You also assume that you are disadvantaging someone else by taking up an appointment slot. You do not know if this slot was in the standard clinic time for the GP; it could well have been during his/her admin time. I’ve no doubt this appointment would have been during the ‘routine’ clinics, and that patients with urgent appointments could be seen if required by the duty doctor. Standard practice has one doctor covering the urgent clinics daily. These clinics are open to patients who have unforeseen urgent issues.

So you are slating your GP for trying to ‘fiddle’ the system when in fact, he is running a business, with the usual business overheads, and is free to run that business as they see fit. Not to mention the fact that you are asking your GP to confirm that you are fit to drive, and in the event you ■■■■ up, he will have to defend that decision possibly in a court of law, possibly in a coroners court. To cover for this he will have to pay for professional indemnity insurance of around £2000 pa, on top of public liability, employers liability, business rate etc…

Regarding the rate paid, that fee will go into the practice account, not the GP’s back pocket, and therefore, again, supports the practice as a whole. Further, as higher rate tax payers, and no doubt probably only seeing one or two medicals such as this a month, your £110 is reduced to £66 quid. The reason the medical (limper) agencies can offer them cheaper is their overheads are lower, and they process many more per day than your average GP would in a year. Simple economies of scale mean they can afford to make a smaller profit, which is boosted by the qty they process.

Now you’re moaning about having the ability to have your HGV medical at your local GP surgery - the same surgery where you can have your jabs for holidays in exotic countries, should you need them, paid for of course, but something you no doubt believe you have a right to.

So next time you bang on about how corrupt your GP is for running his business and providing you with a service, as he sees fit, perhaps put a bit of thought into what you are writing…

bazza123 · 27 February 2016 23:24

Agreed 3W. A junior doctor earns a very middling wage considering the responsibility they have.

bking · 28 February 2016 01:27

damoq:
I was quite fortunate. My doctor never charged me a penny for my medical when I first applied for my hgv license. He asked if it was me or my company who was paying for the medical. I told him I was paying for it myself, and he refused to take a penny from me. He said he would only charge if it was the company footing the bill.

Well he is a bloody exception to the rule!

bking · 28 February 2016 01:32

3 wheeler:

Bking:
Booked a medical the other day at my local GPs
Was informed that it would cost me 110 quid with no eye test.
Met a mate of mine who told to look at gettingamedical.co.uk on line

Booked it on line for 48 quid including eye test.
Thing that really ■■■■■■ me is that the medical at my GPs was to be done at 4.50 in the afternoon when this “doctor” is supposed to be seeing patients with possibly a far greater need than me,in NHS time and in an NHS facility
With any other “profession” this would be called fiddle but for these pillars of society it ok.

And these people are telling us that they are “protecting” the NHS?
My ■■■.As they say the parasites are overwhelming the bloody host.

Just perhaps you should read the real FACTS before opening your mouth.
My Missus is a Consultant doctor and she totally agrees with the junior doctors strike.
This country will soon be left with so few juniors that seeing a vet might be the only answer …the pay conditions and costs are driving more and more to leave to Oz and NZ or killing themselves due to stress and exhaustion. That prat Jeremy Hunt wants to wreck the NHS to privatise it…and this is how he is doing it. It stinks . Then you will be paying a fortune for Private care like in the USA.

And prey tell where do you get this idea that the “NHS” is so bloody wonderful?
Ah got it The wifes pay check,keeps you in clover no doubt.

bking · 28 February 2016 01:56

el_presidente:

Bking:
Booked a medical the other day at my local GPs

Thing that really ■■■■■■ me is that the medical at my GPs was to be done at 4.50 in the afternoon when this “doctor” is supposed to be seeing patients with possibly a far greater need than me,in NHS time and in an NHS facility
With any other “profession” this would be called fiddle but for these pillars of society it ok.

And these people are telling us that they are “protecting” the NHS?
My ■■■.As they say the parasites are overwhelming the bloody host.

Just like to put you straight on these particular ‘facts’ (or assumptions more like)…

GP surgeries are businesses… the buildings are either owned by a partnership, or rented by the partnership. They will be paying either a 3rd party, or a financial company, for the provision of the building and the equipment.

GP provision is a contract entered into by the GP with the NHS to provide a service - they get paid in this contract only when this service is provided. So your appointment is not being paid for by the NHS. Your appointment id being paid for by you.

You also assume that you are disadvantaging someone else by taking up an appointment slot. You do not know if this slot was in the standard clinic time for the GP; it could well have been during his/her admin time. I’ve no doubt this appointment would have been during the ‘routine’ clinics, and that patients with urgent appointments could be seen if required by the duty doctor. Standard practice has one doctor covering the urgent clinics daily. These clinics are open to patients who have unforeseen urgent issues.

So you are slating your GP for trying to ‘fiddle’ the system when in fact, he is running a business, with the usual business overheads, and is free to run that business as they see fit. Not to mention the fact that you are asking your GP to confirm that you are fit to drive, and in the event you ■■■■ up, he will have to defend that decision possibly in a court of law, possibly in a coroners court. To cover for this he will have to pay for professional indemnity insurance of around £2000 pa, on top of public liability, employers liability, business rate etc…

Regarding the rate paid, that fee will go into the practice account, not the GP’s back pocket, and therefore, again, supports the practice as a whole. Further, as higher rate tax payers, and no doubt probably only seeing one or two medicals such as this a month, your £110 is reduced to £66 quid. The reason the medical (limper) agencies can offer them cheaper is their overheads are lower, and they process many more per day than your average GP would in a year. Simple economies of scale mean they can afford to make a smaller profit, which is boosted by the qty they process.

Now you’re moaning about having the ability to have your HGV medical at your local GP surgery - the same surgery where you can have your jabs for holidays in exotic countries, should you need them, paid for of course, but something you no doubt believe you have a right to.

So next time you bang on about how corrupt your GP is for running his business and providing you with a service, as he sees fit, perhaps put a bit of thought into what you are writing…

Bit of truth might be nice as well but shysters will be shysters wont they? when was the last time a group of “angels” built a medical center.Rather charge some bloke 440 quid an hour.After all some lemon can afford to pay you A days wages for ten minutes"work" cant they.You should be ashamed of your bloody greed you are all that is wrong with our “society”
Have a nice day.
You make me puke.