It isn’t taboo to see dead people abroad & on the news etc - but on your local roads?
It’s all about “dignity for the deceased” is what I’m saying here.
ossie:
I accept the closure for as long as it takes to collate forensic evidence but what do they do differently abroad after a fatal that opens the road a lot earlier?
They’re not governed by the moronic "Blame Culture " that infests this country
I had heard from someone who stopped at an accident to help that they strip the deceased before putting them in the bags. If so, I can’t think of anything more undignified.
trubster:
I personally am surprised at the number of idiots that ignored the “A1 Closed” signs, I know its off route and could take a bit longer, but the M18/M1 would have been a much quicker alternative for all involved. (S/B of course, reverse for N/B)Even going back along the A57 to Worksop if you were going somewhere local to the closure, otherwise A46/A14/A421/M25
This was signposted all the way from Boroughbridge to Cambridge, anyone stuck in this had only themselves to blame.
Yep thats the truth, especialy as we all ■■■■■ when they dont sign problems up, and then to ignore it when they do is stupid 
speedyguy:
LeedsChris:
Pimpdaddy:
If people didn’t go causing collisions there would be no roads to close-simples:!:You should change your signature to ’ biggest tool on trucknet ’ with comments like this one and most of your other antagonistic comments.
If i didn’t know PD was such a urinetaking [zb] I’d say that’s the most sensible thing he has said in years
As for questions about the tarpaulin who knows but that may have been ‘the debris’ that fell off a vehicle due to an incompetent selfish twunt.
Also regards the crossover, if investigations haven’t taken place to discover how to prevent it we may have never ended up with the concrete central res now being installed with the commensurate benefits of less fatalities, crossovers & night/daytime congestion causing holdups that will be a thing of the past.
I nearly spoke too soon 
And in yesterdays news manchestereveningnews.co.uk/ … 10-7482654
The pictures show a possible benefit of concrete central res, theres a lot of pictures of these incidents now rather than the truck embedded in a load of cars on the opposite carriageway.
At least a lane won’t be closed each way until they get round to repairing the res.
What about the 12hrs closure on the M5 last week or the week before. One lorry smacks another on the hard shoulder and goes over. All the goods are contained in the damaged lorries, the topples one lays across all three lanes, southbound. 03.30 in the morning, I think it happened. One driver I believe had minor injuries, the other had to be cut free and suffered leg injuries. The tachos/telemetry, mobile phone records, driver and witness statements will give the investigative process as much info as anything physical so why 12hrs of delays? The M5 is the caravan super highway this time of year, as well as the only major north/south freight route in the west. The roads all around the area were clogged pretty hopelessly, if that lead to a delayed ambulance or other emergency service trying to attend a heart attack, house fire etc…
I wouldn’t want evidence to be missed in a fatal incident anymore than the next person and my heartfelt sympathy goes out to anyone who loses a loves one in such a sudden, tragic and meaningless way but; as a nation that relies on which relies on an underfunded and over used road network, keeping it moving is paramount. More so in a collision NOT resulting in death or life changing injuries, at least?
speedyguy:
[At least a lane won’t be closed each way until they get round to repairing the res.
They hadnt repaired or kept 1 lane closed to repair the crash barrier, at least it wasnt repaired when I came S/B yesterday PM, and all lanes were open
I believe it has to be treated as a crime scene in this day and age. Somebody will correct me if wrong.
eddie snax:
speedyguy:
[At least a lane won’t be closed each way until they get round to repairing the res.
They hadnt repaired or kept 1 lane closed to repair the crash barrier, at least it wasnt repaired when I came S/B yesterday PM, and all lanes were open
Sorry I was talking specifically about the M62 incident yesterday, previously to concrete res nearly every ding into the barrier required closures and repairs, that is/will be much less frequent now hopefully.
To Bazza123 when I seen the bodies being put in body bags they did not strip them that’s all done at the hospital stripping them interferes with evidence ,in my case they said the bodies are going to Carlisle jump in and we will give you a lift to the services ,they placed the bodies in the back of the police van ,I could hear the bodies bouncing around in the back of the van was I glad to get out that van , but I must say through out the investigation ,coroners court the Penrith Police were superb really decent guys and finally on the subject if your held up for a fatal accident so what,at least you will get home eventually missed load ? Does not even count
One issue that can change the need for investigation is the condition of the injured people. At a recent incident, HGV hits a HGV on hard shoulder, took over a hour to release driver, rushed to hospital with ‘life threatening’ injuries, which means investigation, which in turn means closures etc. About 30 Mins later, condition changed to minor injuries, so Police cancelled investigation, re-opened lane three, lanes 1&2 required for recovery, and full closures removed.
NiceRoadTrucker:
What about the 12hrs closure on the M5 last week or the week before. One lorry smacks another on the hard shoulder and goes over. All the goods are contained in the damaged lorries, the topples one lays across all three lanes, southbound. 03.30 in the morning, I think it happened. One driver I believe had minor injuries, the other had to be cut free and suffered leg injuries. The tachos/telemetry, mobile phone records, driver and witness statements will give the investigative process as much info as anything physical so why 12hrs of delays? The M5 is the caravan super highway this time of year, as well as the only major north/south freight route in the west. The roads all around the area were clogged pretty hopelessly, if that lead to a delayed ambulance or other emergency service trying to attend a heart attack, house fire etc…I wouldn’t want evidence to be missed in a fatal incident anymore than the next person and my heartfelt sympathy goes out to anyone who loses a loves one in such a sudden, tragic and meaningless way but; as a nation that relies on which relies on an underfunded and over used road network, keeping it moving is paramount. More so in a collision NOT resulting in death or life changing injuries, at least?
Consider this, recovery will not want to sit unpaid at a job for 6 hours waiting for the Police to plot every single car, truck, piece of debris, skid mark, scratch mark, dig in the road, barrier, bridge, lane markings etc etc, oh yes, they plot EVERYTHING as once they leave, that’s it, no going back. I recently had a training day hosted by a CSI. It is truly amazing the amount of evidence that is collected and in one particular case, an innocent man who at first was suspected of causing the crash who had died, was proven to be the innocent party. Imagine his wife and kids thinking that he was the cause of his own death but in fact, it was the other driver who was prosecuted for the death. This road death thing is serious business and takes time.
Anyway, back to recovery. Some time ago I had a job similar to the one you refer to. It happened at around the same time, 3am. By the time the emergency services had extracted the casualties and had cleared up their kit and left, 4 hours had passed. The CSI can’t start until then. It then took him alone some 4 hours to plot, photo and mark everything before he would authorise recovery to start. They then had the job of trying to right this truck but as it was a curtain sider, they couldn’t airbag it so had to cut the curtain so everything fell onto the road. Then they righted the truck, pulled it straight, removed the prop, fixed the bent and flat rear wheels on the trailor, filled it up with air and then moved it. Then the 2 jcb’s and the 3 skips moved into place to collect the damaged cargo. One that had happened the ISU teams then swept up the plastic, glass and other debris so at least one lane could be opened. Then there was a measured approach to opening, you can’t just open the road and let the people that have been held up for hours run riot doing 100 towards a lane 1 and 2 closure so things have to be put in place like adjustment of the signs, getting cars in place and getting the TM crews to remove the closure safely.
I don’t mean to be rude but if you don’t know about things, rather than ■■■■■ and moan and slate, try asking the question. Like I have tried to explain before, nothing is done for fun or just to annoy. We are measured on more things that you can imagine, even down to telling the RCC when Police arrive and leave so delays can be measured and put down to Police delays or our delays.
… I wasn’t ■■■■■■■■ or moaning, I was asking the question.
Thank you for the answer.
To Dexterboy: Tha is for your answer, the only reason I said that was because a woman I know stopped at an accident to help (I won’t say where or when) and saw the casualties being stripped at the roadside before taken away. Not very nice. Perhaps that has stopped now or was specific to one area.
To Big Jase, you say the traffic can’t be allowed to hammer away after a closure but isn’t that exactly what happens after toll booths? Likewise on the approach, traffic is hammering along then has to stop for the booths?
bazza123:
To Big Jase, you say the traffic can’t be allowed to hammer away after a closure but isn’t that exactly what happens after toll booths? Likewise on the approach, traffic is hammering along then has to stop for the booths?
When traffic is stopped both ways the nuggets come out to play see last weeks picture 
When it has been stopped the traffic should always be ran to the back of the queue on the opposing carriageway for ar$e covering exercises 
NiceRoadTrucker:
… I wasn’t ■■■■■■■■ or moaning, I was asking the question.Thank you for the answer.
Sorry, I didn’t mean you, just a general comment.
speedyguy:
bazza123:
To Big Jase, you say the traffic can’t be allowed to hammer away after a closure but isn’t that exactly what happens after toll booths? Likewise on the approach, traffic is hammering along then has to stop for the booths?When traffic is stopped both ways the nuggets come out to play see last weeks picture
When it has been stopped the traffic should always be ran to the back of the queue on the opposing carriageway for ar$e covering exercises
Also, as previously written in my post, the rtc could be 6 miles after the junction and we may only have one lane open at the rtc. Since people ignore our signs, they won’t drive along, see the sign saying lane 1 and 2 closed and move along, they will be flat out and potentially cause another crash so we roll them through at a low speed so they can hopefully understand what’s happening ahead and have a better time react and form an orderly queue.
I’ve noticed when you see a matrix sign with an orange 50 or 40 and those flashing dots, I seem to be the only one who slows to these speeds and normally have a wagon up my jacksy when all three lanes still clear as if to make a point, everyone else ignores them.
You can’t really winge if you rear end someone in a tailback. I know there’ll be the cries of the matrix signs lie but more often than not theres a que/obstruction. What’s 40 mph going to cost you for 5 mins? I don’t mean to be pious. I ■■■■ up all the time but try my best, albeit quite badly 
Having been held up in fatal collisions in France their priority does seem to be to reopen the road ASAP.Indeed on one occasion I almost expected to be
given a plastic pair of gloves and asked to move bodies,all the while the traffic kept moving past in the lane that had been left open,cars, we lorries could
wait.Totally different culture in Europe but Britain has been drowning in the USA claim culture for years and we are all paying,in time and money.