Has anybody done subbie work for TDG ■■ i see a lot of owner drivers dragging the trailers around . any contact names / numbers
just a quick word on tdg, they have the contract for all the corus/tata steel deliveries
as some will be aware they are now owned by norberts dentrassangle,
we today received an email from dentrassangle saying costs need to be cut and from the end of january there will be a cut in the rates of 5% to all hauliers with another review in march when a further reduction may be possible
hope its not the start of things to come
Now owned by Nobby, good luck getting an account set up, bunch of tossers in the procurement dept.
chaversdad:
just a quick word on tdg, they have the contract for all the corus/tata steel deliveries
as some will be aware they are now owned by norberts dentrassangle,
we today received an email from dentrassangle saying costs need to be cut and from the end of january there will be a cut in the rates of 5% to all hauliers with another review in march when a further reduction may be possible
hope its not the start of things to come
It seems it’s always the same - as soon as the work dries up a bit the Tata decides to drop the rates, no matter what H+S hoops you have to jump through to do work for them
chaversdad:
we today received an email from dentrassangle saying costs need to be cut and from the end of january there will be a cut in the rates of 5% to all hauliers with another review in march when a further reduction may be possible
hope its not the start of things to come
Jesus 
the haulage industry appears a hard old game, nobody holds any prisoners it seems. You would think if the work was being done to a good standard that the customers would be loyal and considerate to spirraling truck running costs.
chaversdad:
just a quick word on tdg, they have the contract for all the corus/tata steel deliveries
as some will be aware they are now owned by norberts dentrassangle,
we today received an email from dentrassangle saying costs need to be cut and from the end of january there will be a cut in the rates of 5% to all hauliers with another review in march when a further reduction may be possible
hope its not the start of things to come
What the ■■■■ are they playing at■■? Fuels gone up 3ppl this week & there knocking 5% off there current rates■■?
How is it possible for an Indian company to own our steel manufacturing & a Frog outfit runs the efffing transport of it. What have we become here at all■■?
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chaversdad:
just a quick word on tdg, they have the contract for all the corus/tata steel deliveries
as some will be aware they are now owned by norberts dentrassangle,
we today received an email from dentrassangle saying costs need to be cut and from the end of january there will be a cut in the rates of 5% to all hauliers with another review in march when a further reduction may be possible
hope its not the start of things to comeWhat the [zb] are they playing at■■? Fuels gone up 3ppl this week & there knocking 5% off there current rates■■?
How is it possible for an Indian company to own our steel manufacturing & a Frog outfit runs the efffing transport of it. What have we become here at all■■?
further email, now saying the fuel escalotor is to be cut by 1% along with the 5% rate cut 
To be fair to them and no offence intended to anyone who does this work, Dentressangle or Corus/Tata are well aware that the hauliers will be silly enough to keep doing the work even if it means burning through their cash reserves and doing the job at a loss until they are bankrupt then the previous will just find other mugs to do the work and repeat.
Be interesting to know if this is Nobby’s seeing how much they can take the ■■■■ or if this has been handed down from the customers. My money would be on Nobby’s.
Good business acumen, the rich get richer and the muginses get shafted.
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chaversdad:
just a quick word on tdg, they have the contract for all the corus/tata steel deliveries
as some will be aware they are now owned by norberts dentrassangle,
we today received an email from dentrassangle saying costs need to be cut and from the end of january there will be a cut in the rates of 5% to all hauliers with another review in march when a further reduction may be possible
hope its not the start of things to comeWhat the [zb] are they playing at■■? Fuels gone up 3ppl this week & there knocking 5% off there current rates■■?
How is it possible for an Indian company to own our steel manufacturing & a Frog outfit runs the efffing transport of it. What have we become here at all■■?
and dont we as country send money to india cos they are so poor and hard up. 
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chaversdad:
just a quick word on tdg, they have the contract for all the corus/tata steel deliveries
as some will be aware they are now owned by norberts dentrassangle,
we today received an email from dentrassangle saying costs need to be cut and from the end of january there will be a cut in the rates of 5% to all hauliers with another review in march when a further reduction may be possible
hope its not the start of things to comeWhat the [zb] are they playing at■■? Fuels gone up 3ppl this week & there knocking 5% off there current rates■■?
How is it possible for an Indian company to own our steel manufacturing & a Frog outfit runs the efffing transport of it. What have we become here at all■■?
news.sky.com/home/business/article/16148927
this explains it all.
Unfortunately, my experience is that most sub-contractors will accept a rate cut if they don’t have a broad base of customers ?
Some years back I was General Manager for a large PLC Group of companies that got into financial difficulties and my Chairman & M.D was a hard man and very successful financially.
He instructed me (against all my arguements for loyalties to subbies etc etc) to contact all our suppliers & subcontractors and advise that our rates of payment were to be cut immediately by 10% if contractors wanted to continue to get our business - and, do you know, not one pulled out, they all continued to work for 10% less.
It also seems that many, not all of course, only sell there services by price alone, generally undercutting existing contractors and perhaps that’s why the specialist companies are surviving more, they have less competion and sell a particular service.
Unfortunately UK economy is so bad that there isn’t sufficient work to refuse rate cuts and go out and find new paying customers
Ozzy good point sir, about 3 years ago TDG took over charcon/Aggregate industries work and never needed to cut rates as the haulier’s did it among each other, eg… each haulier had an area to deliver to as a rule and that had gone on for years so as a result they had found backloads or other work from said area, TDG took the said area and decided to give the work to anybody/everyone
some of the hauliers then found themselves with trucks in the wrong area for a poor rate with no backload/other work, so what do they do? (just bear in mind that most of the outbound loads were a crap rate to start with)
offer to do the work into the area that they once had for even less!!
some hauliers/owner drivers seem unable to work out costs and would be better off as employed drivers, the other thing is you’r far from being your own boss when you are contracted to some of these big companys as they tell you when and where to go and how much they will pay!
the payment terms in most cases wont be up to the haulier either, infact at no point can i see that subbing to this type of firm being much or any good.
the thing is whilst hauliers are willing to work for poor/crap rates the job wont improve one bit.
I have no interest in doing any work for TDG at the moment im lucky enough to have my own work, i was in Daventry this week and i noticed another haulier from Lancashire with a TDG trailer i seem to see a lot of the subbies are from my area with TDG trailers, and i bet they pay a charge through the roof for trailer hire ? I would be more interested in backloads.
Silver_Surfer:
To be fair to them and no offence intended to anyone who does this work, Dentressangle or Corus/Tata are well aware that the hauliers will be silly enough to keep doing the work even if it means burning through their cash reserves and doing the job at a loss until they are bankrupt then the previous will just find other mugs to do the work and repeat.Be interesting to know if this is Nobby’s seeing how much they can take the ■■■■ or if this has been handed down from the customers. My money would be on Nobby’s.
Good business acumen, the rich get richer and the muginses get shafted.
the problem we have on teeside is prestons do 90% of the work and if they accept the rate cut then us small operators dont have any say in the matter
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chaversdad:
just a quick word on tdg, they have the contract for all the corus/tata steel deliveries
as some will be aware they are now owned by norberts dentrassangle,
we today received an email from dentrassangle saying costs need to be cut and from the end of january there will be a cut in the rates of 5% to all hauliers with another review in march when a further reduction may be possible
hope its not the start of things to comeWhat the [zb] are they playing at■■? Fuels gone up 3ppl this week & there knocking 5% off there current rates■■?
How is it possible for an Indian company to own our steel manufacturing & a Frog outfit runs the efffing transport of it. What have we become here at all■■?
To be fair it isnt just Transport that TATA own, although if you are in the shipping game they have a 50% hold in NYK shipping and containers, they wholly own our luxury car marque Jaguar and that most British of British things the Land Rover.
Christian Salvesen and TDG have had the control of British Steel, Corus and Outo Kumpo for several years, so to blame Norbert Ratestrangler for its demise is a bit like bolting the gate after the hoss has bolted.
Even the salt on our table is owned by the Indians since they took over British Salt (2011) and Brunner Mond in 2005
Suddenly Great Britain becomes like the comedy programme.
puntabrava:
Jesus
There’s no such thing as loyalty in big business sadly. They know full well that they can knock 5% or even 10% off the rates and the work will still get done and at the end of the day their bottom line is all they’re really bothered about.
As others have said it doesn’t make any difference to them if the rates they offer don’t allow the job to be done profitably, as long as their stuff gets moved they won’t care if it’s by one firm who has done it profitably for the last 20 years or a succession of firms who each do it until the money runs out before going pop.
Paul
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chaversdad:
just a quick word on tdg, they have the contract for all the corus/tata steel deliveries
as some will be aware they are now owned by norberts dentrassangle,
we today received an email from dentrassangle saying costs need to be cut and from the end of january there will be a cut in the rates of 5% to all hauliers with another review in march when a further reduction may be possible
hope its not the start of things to comeWhat the [zb] are they playing at■■? Fuels gone up 3ppl this week & there knocking 5% off there current rates■■?
How is it possible for an Indian company to own our steel manufacturing & a Frog outfit runs the efffing transport of it. What have we become here at all■■?
They don’t care and why should they? When one OO goes pop there will be another eagerly waiting to jump in his place running around for 1 button per mile under the illusion he’s running his own truck and being his “own boss”.
Its across the board my boss had subbed out muck from our yard as someone has come in and priced it cheaper than we can do it with our own trucks.
chaversdad:
Silver_Surfer:
To be fair to them and no offence intended to anyone who does this work, Dentressangle or Corus/Tata are well aware that the hauliers will be silly enough to keep doing the work even if it means burning through their cash reserves and doing the job at a loss until they are bankrupt then the previous will just find other mugs to do the work and repeat.Be interesting to know if this is Nobby’s seeing how much they can take the ■■■■ or if this has been handed down from the customers. My money would be on Nobby’s.
Good business acumen, the rich get richer and the muginses get shafted.
the problem we have on teeside is prestons do 90% of the work and if they accept the rate cut then us small operators dont have any say in the matter
So did prestons accept a rate cut?
This thread is 18 months old so I wouldn’t hold your breath for a response.