Carryfast:
On that note with all your international brick hauling experience maybe you could explain why the operator in that example and the London Brick example obviously preferred not to use a flat for the job as opposed to a drop side or cage side.
The fact you use two pictures from the last century to prove your point means it doesn’t have a huge amount of merit. Was it really that hard to find an example less than 40 years old? Here’s a tip- a dedicated brick hauler has even been mentioned on this thread, so how come you didn’t use them as an example?
In an ideal world yes dropsides are right for the job but here in the real world we can’t all spec trailers for one specific jo. I’ve never had a load of bricks move, I’ve never seen a shed load of bricks, I’ve never known anyone to lose a load of bricks. And yes, I do carry bricks, of many shapes and sizes to many places. Last load of bricks I carried was three weeks ago
Metal cage side or metal side drop down are not safe or deemed safe anymore … as load security
according to health n safety laboratories ( don’t forget it’s only a tiny bit of metal holding the side up) 1ton pack for bricks soon smashing though it . We’ve had lads do it …
Spent an afternoon in a meeting with them , gray area with metal sides and one strap …
we use that Method, as we asked vosa … Andy they said it’s OK as long as we put two straps on the front pack if it’s a foot off the headboard .
Yes nets were wonder full untill you snagged one with ya foot and went flying off the side bloody hurts
I’ve spent the last 23 years on roof tiles brick and blocks …
A lot of sites banned nets and netting down due to people falling off …
Good old H&S …
Ps I would sooner strap a load down than have nothing securing the load from moving as loads do move …
One of the other reasons we got rid of metal sides was the company didn’t want sueing when they fell on a driver
I used to do up all of the buckles on my curtainsider (none of this namby pamby load bearing certified crap either) when pulling a load out of that place on the A4 between Theale and Thatcham, what more do you want!
Reef:
I used to do up all of the buckles on my curtainsider (none of this namby pamby load bearing certified crap either) when pulling a load out of that place on the A4 between Theale and Thatcham, what more do you want!
Carryfast:
On that note with all your international brick hauling experience maybe you could explain why the operator in that example and the London Brick example obviously preferred not to use a flat for the job as opposed to a drop side or cage side.
The fact you use two pictures from the last century to prove your point means it doesn’t have a huge amount of merit. Was it really that hard to find an example less than 40 years old? Here’s a tip- a dedicated brick hauler has even been mentioned on this thread, so how come you didn’t use them as an example?
In an ideal world yes dropsides are right for the job but here in the real world we can’t all spec trailers for one specific jo. I’ve never had a load of bricks move, I’ve never seen a shed load of bricks, I’ve never known anyone to lose a load of bricks. And yes, I do carry bricks, of many shapes and sizes to many places. Last load of bricks I carried was three weeks ago
I used the example of the 1970’s London Brick wagon to make the point that the industry is going backwards if it thinks that a flat is the right type of vehicle for that type of load.
While I’d guess that the Indian example is much more recent example just like these.
Reef:
I used to do up all of the buckles on my curtainsider (none of this namby pamby load bearing certified crap either) when pulling a load out of that place on the A4 between Theale and Thatcham, what more do you want!
Marley or the Thermalite depots
If it was called that 8~9 yrs ago then yeah that’ll be it. I know it was on the right if you were coming from Theale way.
(and I was just joking by the way I did used to strap them, they were all plastic wrapped with thick cardboard edge protectors too)
Carryfast:
I used the example of the 1970’s London Brick wagon to make the point that the industry is going backwards if it thinks that a flat is the right type of vehicle for that type of load.
While I’d guess that the Indian example is much more recent example just like these.
garnib:
Metal cage side or metal side drop down are not safe or deemed safe anymore … as load security
according to health n safety laboratories ( don’t forget it’s only a tiny bit of metal holding the side up) 1ton pack for bricks soon smashing though it . We’ve had lads do it …
Spent an afternoon in a meeting with them , gray area with metal sides and one strap …
we use that Method, as we asked vosa … Andy they said it’s OK as long as we put two straps on the front pack if it’s a foot off the headboard .
Yes nets were wonder full untill you snagged one with ya foot and went flying off the side bloody hurts
I’ve spent the last 23 years on roof tiles brick and blocks …
A lot of sites banned nets and netting down due to people falling off …
Good old H&S …
Ps I would sooner strap a load down than have nothing securing the load from moving as loads do move …
One of the other reasons we got rid of metal sides was the company didn’t want sueing when they fell on a driver
Let’s get this right the DVSA think it’s better to have nothing there if/when the banding or wrapping let’s go and either any or all of a load of bricks go flying off the side seperately at that point.
Bearing in mind that strapping a load of bricks on a flat is totally reliant on the banding and wrapping to actually hold the bundle of bricks together that the straps are supposedly ‘holding’.In which case ‘if’ that banding wrapping lets go it won’t any longer be a tonne of bricks as a solid mass at that point.IE it’s the banding or wrapping that is holding the bricks.While the drop sides need to be there to do the essential job of supporting and containing all the ‘seperate’ bricks.
While if it’s all about ‘progress’ then the idea ‘should’ be the combination of nets and cage/drop sides.Not the worst of all worlds situation of straps and a flat.
Carryfast:
On that note with all your international brick hauling experience maybe you could explain why the operator in that example and the London Brick example obviously preferred not to use a flat for the job as opposed to a drop side or cage side.
The fact you use two pictures from the last century to prove your point means it doesn’t have a huge amount of merit. Was it really that hard to find an example less than 40 years old? Here’s a tip- a dedicated brick hauler has even been mentioned on this thread, so how come you didn’t use them as an example?
In an ideal world yes dropsides are right for the job but here in the real world we can’t all spec trailers for one specific jo. I’ve never had a load of bricks move, I’ve never seen a shed load of bricks, I’ve never known anyone to lose a load of bricks. And yes, I do carry bricks, of many shapes and sizes to many places. Last load of bricks I carried was three weeks ago
I used the example of the 1970’s London Brick wagon to make the point that the industry is going backwards if it thinks that a flat is the right type of vehicle for that type of load.
While I’d guess that the Indian example is much more recent example just like these.
garnib:
Metal cage side or metal side drop down are not safe or deemed safe anymore … as load security
according to health n safety laboratories ( don’t forget it’s only a tiny bit of metal holding the side up) 1ton pack for bricks soon smashing though it . We’ve had lads do it …
Spent an afternoon in a meeting with them , gray area with metal sides and one strap …
we use that Method, as we asked vosa … Andy they said it’s OK as long as we put two straps on the front pack if it’s a foot off the headboard .
Yes nets were wonder full untill you snagged one with ya foot and went flying off the side bloody hurts
I’ve spent the last 23 years on roof tiles brick and blocks …
A lot of sites banned nets and netting down due to people falling off …
Good old H&S …
Ps I would sooner strap a load down than have nothing securing the load from moving as loads do move …
One of the other reasons we got rid of metal sides was the company didn’t want sueing when they fell on a driver
Let’s get this right the DVSA think it’s better to have nothing there if/when the banding or wrapping let’s go and either any or all of a load of bricks go flying off the side seperately at that point.
Bearing in mind that strapping a load of bricks on a flat is totally reliant on the banding and wrapping to actually hold the bundle of bricks together that the straps are supposedly ‘holding’.In which case ‘if’ that banding wrapping lets go it won’t any longer be a tonne of bricks as a solid mass at that point.IE it’s the banding or wrapping that is holding the bricks.While the drop sides need to be there to do the essential job of supporting and containing all the ‘seperate’ bricks.
While if it’s all about ‘progress’ then the idea ‘should’ be the combination of nets and cage/drop sides.Not the worst of all worlds situation of straps and a flat.
no we strap the loads corners boards and side nets … as you will see if you going in to our kings dyke brick works … well that’s if the lazy arse drivers do it right .
switchlogic:
It’s not going backwards, that’s in your head. Dedicated brick haulers then used dropsides just like dedicate brick hauliers do now.
As I read it the topic is about bricks being carried on flats and using straps to whatever amount to supposedly ‘secure’ the bundles of bricks ?. While if it’s cage/dropsides then it’s obviously a moot point because general hauliers using flats ( should ) leave the job for the ‘dedicated’ brick hauliers with the right kit if they’ve got any sense.
Going way back even past carryfasts posts, I used to go to Marston Valley Brick Works and LBC with my father. Side on to the dock and load from tight up against the headboard down the far side of the bed, then work towards the dock. My job was building the wall across the back. The bricks were tied in really tight against theirselves and just had a rope across the back. Nothing ever came off of ours or anyone else’s lorries, we would have heard if they had.
When I went on the road myself we were still handballing but had to sheet them and rope all the way, still never known any to come off. A bit later, they came on pallets which I reckon was retrograde because there were gaps all over the place. I don’t know what it’s like over there now, but most of our flats use substantial steel gates which are in turn sheeted and tied/strapped.
Still haven’t seen any bricks on the road and they’re pretty good at shot loads here.
switchlogic:
It’s not going backwards, that’s in your head. Dedicated brick haulers then used dropsides just like dedicate brick hauliers do now.
As I read it the topic is about bricks being carried on flats and using straps to whatever amount to supposedly ‘secure’ the bundles of bricks ?. While if it’s cage/dropsides then it’s obviously a moot point because general hauliers using flats ( should ) leave the job for the ‘dedicated’ brick hauliers with the right kit if they’ve got any sense.
Meanwhile here in the real world everyone just gets on with it with a minimum of fuss and hand wringing
The most common is lost packs of slabs ect where the packs are plastic rapped even underneath and loaded with a gap between for the grab to go in ,the packs move ,the strap comes loose and next thing the pack shoots off the side .i know drivers who lost packs like this and had not realised until they got to deliver .
Minimum requirement at most brick sites is strap the first last and every fourth packs.
Certain sites you have to use a brick bet, others it’s up to the driver.
A net is used to prevent any bricks coming off the trailer not as a form of load restraint (stating the obvious)
Very stable loads. It ain’t going anywhere under normal driving.
As for shouldn’t be using a flat, what a load of tripe. In the event of a accident 99% of loads would be at risk of shifting off a vehicle no matter what the restraint - and their usually on flats / curtains as they are back loads.
Minimum requirement at most brick sites is strap the first last and every fourth packs.
Certain sites you have to use a brick bet, others it’s up to the driver.
I’m assuming you typo’d here and meant net?
A net is used to prevent any bricks coming off the trailer not as a form of load restraint (stating the obvious)
Very stable loads. It ain’t going anywhere under normal driving.
I think some here are either forgetting (or don’t know and are just commenting on something that they have no actual experience of) that bricks and blocks have a very high friction coefficient.
As for shouldn’t be using a flat, what a load of tripe. In the event of a accident 99% of loads would be at risk of shifting off a vehicle no matter what the restraint - and their usually on flats / curtains as they are back loads.
Yep, that was 100% my dealing with them, always a backload because my selfish boss was out there trying to make his vehicles earn money, he should have not been so inconsiderate and left the work to those with specialist trailers.
Reef:
I think some here are either forgetting (or don’t know and are just commenting on something that they have no actual experience of) that bricks and blocks have a very high friction coefficient.
This is something that really interests me. (Sad)
I would have thought bricks and blocks had a low coefficient of friction - but I have very little to no experience of the product. I just thought a smooth/hard surface would be low in friction.
Would you happen to have a figure? I have checked in BS EN 12195-1 and the friction value table doesn’t have those particular materials. It has concrete (smooth) on wooden batons at 0.55 which is pretty high but replace the wooden batons with a concrete surface and I am sure the value would drop.
I spoke to drivers at a builders merchants who basically said bricks/block tend to stay put but when they do go they go suddenly and fast. I would have thought that was down to driving style. They had steel caged sides to keep them in when they scatter - and the sides were quite battle scarred/bent/dinged. The drivers generally agreed it was an ‘every now and then’ occasion when they had to pick up bricks and restack.
Just pop down to your local builders yard and try and push one over
I’m not a mathematician and I’ll never pretend to be one, I don’t have (and nor will I “Google”) figures, just from my own personal experience they stay put, perhaps I shouldn’t have used the word “very” in my last post, I don’t know, but that’s down to a grammatical error more than a lack of experience.
Back in the 1950s I worked in a small brick factory. We were on piecework and paid half-a-crown a thousand bricks, which worked out to about £12 a week. when we weren’t making them, we would go outside and help load lorries, which were all rigid flatbeds with a fixed tailgate and a side rave. Bricks were manually stacked directly on the bed (no pallets) in a pattern, with the outer rows tilted up on the side rave. We worked as a team, passing bricks, four at a time, from hand to hand.
When the lorry was fully loaded, we helped the driver throw a net over them and off he would go. As far as I know, they never lost any.
While if it’s cage/dropsides then it’s obviously a moot point because general hauliers using flats ( should ) leave the job for the ‘dedicated’ brick hauliers with the right kit if they’ve got any sense. 
