I’ve seen this at least twice in the last week where a flat bed has come past me on the motorway with pallets of bricks. I’ve noticed that there was only a ratchet ■■■■■■■■ every other one. Now from where I was looking, unless I missed something, that meant the ones with no ■■■■■■■■ had nothing actually securing them.
Last time I had bricks I used 13 straps. One over every 2 pallets down the trailer.
But like I say, I’ve seen this twice now where only every other one is strapped. Is that sufficient or is it just laziness or a case of not having enough straps?
How often do you see them after they’ve slid off?
I personally always strap them all even though I’m in a curtain sider but they won’t move if you don’t ‘if you drive correctly’.
I don’t want to be fined so I strap them all but I’ve been asked why many a time by folk who think I’m odd
A lot of them use long metal corner protectors so one strap can hold down two stacks. As pointed out how often do you see bricks all over the road? Rarely. And not so long ago they’d only put one strap over the back and be done with it.
Was a net. Quick, easy to do and if a pack did break up, nothing flew off and hit the road. You just had a large pile of bricks in a net hanging off yer trailer.(not from personal experience)
yourhavingalarf:
Best thing for bricks and paviours…
Was a net. Quick, easy to do and if a pack did break up, nothing flew off and hit the road. You just had a large pile of bricks in a net hanging off yer trailer.(not from personal experience)
Bricks shouldn’t be carried on flats or curtainsiders.They need to be carried on cage or drop siders/tippers.Straps won’t hold the whole bundle and if the bundle lets go it needs the cages or drop sides to support the load and/or keep it all on the truck not off the sides.Sometimes I think the uk industry is going backwards in that regard.
switchlogic:
A lot of them use long metal corner protectors so one strap can hold down two stacks. As pointed out how often do you see bricks all over the road? Rarely. And not so long ago they’d only put one strap over the back and be done with it.
I thought their must be something. Because firstly as you all say you don’t see bricks everywhere on the side of the road! And secondly who’d be stupid enough to have a load without restraint on a flat that can clearly be seen by VOSA. That’s why I was curious as I thought there would be an explanation. That explains it.
Carryfast:
Bricks shouldn’t be carried on flats or curtainsiders.They need to be carried on cage or drop siders/tippers.Straps won’t hold the whole bundle and if the bundle lets go it needs the cages or drop sides to support the load and/or keep it all on the truck not off the sides.Sometimes I think the uk industry is going backwards in that regard.
Carryfast:
Bricks shouldn’t be carried on flats or curtainsiders.They need to be carried on cage or drop siders/tippers.Straps won’t hold the whole bundle and if the bundle lets go it needs the cages or drop sides to support the load and/or keep it all on the truck not off the sides.Sometimes I think the uk industry is going backwards in that regard.
Is the bottom picture the first shot of the new Scania at work?
It’s probably only a TATA but at least they seemed to have learn’t how to haul bricks around without potentially chucking the load off the sides at the first roundabout.
Only time I’ve ever seen bricks go over was on Beaconsfield services. Good 3 or 4 years back. Think it was a Hanson motor, W+D, drag went over. Think he must have put it up the high kerbs and it just kept on going.
Carryfast:
Bricks shouldn’t be carried on flats or curtainsiders.They need to be carried on cage or drop siders/tippers.Straps won’t hold the whole bundle and if the bundle lets go it needs the cages or drop sides to support the load and/or keep it all on the truck not off the sides.Sometimes I think the uk industry is going backwards in that regard.
I spent many years carrying bricks and blocks with just nets to contain them . I had packs fall apart , but never had them on the road , usually on the trailer deck , but then i didn’t drive like i’d just stole the lorry .
I’m in partial agreement with Carryfast. Straps are useless with banded packs. So for me, all “loose” brick loads should be under a net, then the packs strapped. No net required for heat shrunk packs imho. Unfortunately, the conversation has arisen due to the likes of Wincanton, hoovering up the work, then using an rdc monkey and rdc equipment to do a job that the likes of Barry Proctor have made a niche, using specialist equipment.
rigsby:
I spent many years carrying bricks and blocks with just nets to contain them . I had packs fall apart , but never had them on the road , usually on the trailer deck , but then i didn’t drive like i’d just stole the lorry .
+1. I guess in this day and age some of it is about appeasing DVSA but how you drive with certain loads is more important. Years ago, I used to carry massive rolls of paper for delivery to the newspaper companies and generally just used a wooden chock under the back one and a tarp over it to stop it getting wet. Never had an issue but you drive within the laws of physics, it shouldn’t be an issue.
Carryfast:
Bricks shouldn’t be carried on flats or curtainsiders.They need to be carried on cage or drop siders/tippers.Straps won’t hold the whole bundle and if the bundle lets go it needs the cages or drop sides to support the load and/or keep it all on the truck not off the sides.Sometimes I think the uk industry is going backwards in that regard.
That’s it everyone! We can wrap this whole thread up now, the brick hauling expert has spoken
Yes in this case I did do my share of hauling bricks around the local area as an agency driver and obviously seen as the best mug for dumping all the zb building work on for some reason.Although to be fair at least the regular customer where I was sent,like the Indian example,knew that a drop side Hiab was the right wagon for the job not a bleedin flat.
On that note with all your international brick hauling experience maybe you could explain why the operator in that example and the London Brick example obviously preferred not to use a flat for the job as opposed to a drop side or cage side.
rigsby:
I spent many years carrying bricks and blocks with just nets to contain them . I had packs fall apart , but never had them on the road , usually on the trailer deck , but then i didn’t drive like i’d just stole the lorry .
Nets are better than nothing in the form of just using straps on a flat which effectively means total reliance on the banding or wrapping to provide load security.But still won’t provide the type of load security that cage/drop sides will.Which is why operators even in backward third world countries like India and London Brick Company during the 1970’s aren’t/weren’t using flats to haul bricks around.
I picked up from London brick recently, at its site in Cambridge and there was only flats or curtain siders there
I agree with the side wall trailers in the fact that they should stop the load moving off the bed however, I’ve never seen a driver lose a load of bricks.
I think the lads on that type of work aren’t your average ■■■■■■■■■ and drives accordingly or we’d see a lot more lost loads about the place.
rigsby:
I spent many years carrying bricks and blocks with just nets to contain them . I had packs fall apart , but never had them on the road , usually on the trailer deck , but then i didn’t drive like i’d just stole the lorry .
Buxton Cowboys ye ha ,your m8 Bewick would strap them ,sheet them ,rope them ,fly sheet them but ooh hang on a sec ,he’d only 1 load a day though !
rigsby:
I spent many years carrying bricks and blocks with just nets to contain them . I had packs fall apart , but never had them on the road , usually on the trailer deck , but then i didn’t drive like i’d just stole the lorry .
+1. I guess in this day and age some of it is about appeasing DVSA but how you drive with certain loads is more important. Years ago, I used to carry massive rolls of paper for delivery to the newspaper companies and generally just used a wooden chock under the back one and a tarp over it to stop it getting wet. Never had an issue but you drive within the laws of physics, it shouldn’t be an issue.
Yup things have charged, I too used to carry big paper rolls but on end and used to just put two internal straps across the back.
OVLOV JAY:
I’m in partial agreement with Carryfast. Straps are useless with banded packs. So for me, all “loose” brick loads should be under a net, then the packs strapped. No net required for heat shrunk packs imho. Unfortunately, the conversation has arisen due to the likes of Wincanton, hoovering up the work, then using an rdc monkey and rdc equipment to do a job that the likes of Barry Proctor have made a niche, using specialist equipment.
