Those cycle path/pavement combinations are a good idea, and quite a lot of outer London has them. Unfortunately much of London is running well over capacity, from pedestrians through to hgv’s. Plus you always get a lycra maverick that points out its not a legal requirement to use tracks. I think it’s about time it was
OVLOV JAY:
You can’t always blame the lorry driver, jesus. It’s fast paced in the metropolis. You have 6 mirrors, 2 windows and a windscreen to check all in a split second. And be sure that at least 3 people will be encroaching on your space from at least 2 of those directions. This industry and it’s drivers have been regulated to death on this issue, and it keeps occurring. It’s about time some of the responsibility was squared at the cyclists. I enjoy cycling, but on the weekend in a country park not far from my house. All the tea in China wouldn’t get me riding a bicycle on the road, you’re little more than a pedestrian, in terms of visibility, speed and size. And you wouldn’t walk in the middle of the road, would you
I agree it is not always the lorry drivers fault but sometimes it is as has been proved.
I know exactly what it is like. I was in London just recently driving an artic. A high level of concentration is required.
I have also spent time as a pedestrian and watched drivers. Some certainly are not very aware of what is happening around them
I am like you. I cycle a lot but keep off busy roads simply because I know how incompetent some drivers are.
OVLOV JAY:
Those cycle path/pavement combinations are a good idea, and quite a lot of outer London has them. Unfortunately much of London is running well over capacity, from pedestrians through to hgv’s. Plus you always get a lycra maverick that points out its not a legal requirement to use tracks. I think it’s about time it was
I agree segregated paths are a good idea.
Splitting the footpath to make a cycle lane MUST make more sense than splitting the lane in the road to make a cycle path leaving less room for vehicles and putting cyclists and vehicles together.
Other countries seem to do it this way.
Haven’t we reached the point where the HGV cannot really do much more? I agree some drivers are the issue - but so are some cyclists. Unfortunately when 2 bird brains meet we get a death and it ain’t gonna be the truck driver.
Come on - no more left turns? Ban HGVs at rush hour? Cycle sensors. Camera systems. Just more distractions for the driver from watching the clock in case it’s curfew time to checking 6 mirrors and 2 camera monitors.
In most cases the truck is an essential road user and needs to be there - the cyclist could be on a bus, in a taxi, on a train or walking and therefore unable to be killed by the nasty truck.
It doesn’t matter how many mirrors or cameras you’ve got, unfortunately we’ve only been blessed with one pair of ■■■■■■■ eyes!
DaiDap:
Does this mean Johnny Foreigner won’t be allowed to turn right?
Just thinking that myself. I drive LHD so can I only turn left!
Yes I heard it and laughed out loud. Lets see how many accidents there are now with every truck forced to only do right turns in the flipping capital in a country that drives on the left. Just confirms what I always believed that the lunatics are running this asylum. 
Glad I don’t drive in London but the fear is this is a pilot and maybe be rolled out across the country if the cyclists love it 
Who’d be a lorry driver in London eh…
bestbooties:
Turn right, turn right, turn right, then turn right once more and you’ll see a brown ring in front of you, you’ve just caught up with your arse!
I was thinking along the same lines, if we keep turning right, we’ll end up in our back doors.
OVLOV JAY:
:lol:
So this is contraflow at work. Double manning
wonder if they have compared the deaths to deaths caused by car drivers and pedestrians or car drivers and motorcycles ect…
personally if i was a cyclist no way would i put my self in danger and it would be me the cyclist with the better concentration ect, end of the day if something happens i,m gonna get hurt…
This is sheer genius and has obviously has been thought through thoroughly. I see no problems with this idea what so ever. Oooh look there’s a one way street I need to turn off left on, I suppose It will be so much safer if I go down it the wrong way so I can change it to a right turn.
I do not see an issue, why is it wrong to have side bars fitted on trailers or between the axles and drive wheels? …
London, is an easy place to drive if you are a real driver 
, why not blame it on agency drivers … end of the day the road is for all users … Truck drivers need to ensure they check check and check again … I am baffled to northern drivers who cannot hack driving in London!! a road is a road … it borders pathetic when a person has to say they hate the south because it if full of southerns … The South who pay alot more tax helps to fund the north! FACTTTTTT.
discoman:
I do not see an issue, why is it wrong to have side bars fitted on trailers or between the axles and drive wheels? …
Because all this crap adds weight to a chassis already made heavier with Euro 6 crap. Eight wheelers once carried 21t with an aggregate body now it’s 19.5t. Heavy duty muckshifters used to carry that, now they’re down to 18 to 18.5t. Loss of payload means lost earnings, add this to the amount of money wasted on this safety crap.
Side bars get damaged because machine drivers think they can buffer their tyres upto them whilst loading (seen a trailer with “you hit it, you fix it” on it’s sidebars).
Rear underruns get covered in the load you’ve just tipped so you have to sweep them off which rather defeats the idea of automatic tailgates.
Passenger door mirrors; Seems like you wont be able to wind your window down as far so less comfort for the driver.
I’d also be looking to disable some daft sensor which beeps everytime I pass a cyclist because I know they’re there, I’ve just seen them in my mirrors.
Better add the cost of my wages plus a day riding a ■■■■■■■ bike on a silly course to the list of pointless expenses too.
discoman:
I do not see an issue, why is it wrong to have side bars fitted on trailers or between the axles and drive wheels? …London, is an easy place to drive if you are a real driver
What’s that got to do with not being allowed to turn left?
Muckaway:
discoman:
I do not see an issue, why is it wrong to have side bars fitted on trailers or between the axles and drive wheels? …Because all this crap adds weight to a chassis already made heavier with Euro 6 crap. Eight wheelers once carried 21t with an aggregate body now it’s 19.5t. Heavy duty muckshifters used to carry that, now they’re down to 18 to 18.5t. Loss of payload means lost earnings, add this to the amount of money wasted on this safety crap.
Side bars get damaged because machine drivers think they can buffer their tyres upto them whilst loading (seen a trailer with “you hit it, you fix it” on it’s sidebars).
Rear underruns get covered in the load you’ve just tipped so you have to sweep them off which rather defeats the idea of automatic tailgates.
Passenger door mirrors; Seems like you wont be able to wind your window down as far so less comfort for the driver.
I’d also be looking to disable some daft sensor which beeps everytime I pass a cyclist because I know they’re there, I’ve just seen them in my mirrors.
Better add the cost of my wages plus a day riding a [zb] bike on a silly course to the list of pointless expenses too.
40kg of hard plastic is really going to make loads of difference, fact remains it is a shared road, therefore all must do there part … I very much agree it seems easier to blame the trucks, but Cyclist are more to blame, and a driver is hardly going to say yeah I didn’t check my mirror I am sure te ones who did run of a cyclist would admit to it … end of the day no driver goes out to run over a cyclist … maybe they should make it law that all cyclist should have the flashing white led lights on during the day … Cyclist can also make them self move visible to other road users … and don’t ride on the inside of a truck …
Another suggestion is change the highway code and put stickers on back of truck IE rule 455 do not ride on inside or under take on inside of Truck etc … all must play a part but I think some cyclist put themselves in the way of unnecessary danger whether intentional or not
The onus is surely on cyclists to ride appropriately obeying the Highway Code and not as many currently do with an air of their right of way because they are eco friendly and so wonderful, fit, healthy and have loads of government, council and lefty do gooder approval.
When I ride my bicycle I do so in a manner that I realise that I am the most vulnerable road user bar none and I respect those that have professional driving jobs and give them the respect and courtesy that they deserve. I also ride defensively because I know that in the likelihood of an accident with any other road user I am the one that is most likely to come off worse irrespective of cycle helmets, gloves, hi-vis etc.
This is surely the best approach in educating all cyclists to adopt and realise the harsh realities of cycling on our busy, modern and congested roads that are predominantly geared up for vehicles and not horses or horse drawn carriages any more let alone bicycles.
“40kg of hard plastic”? We’ve just taken the sideguards off our new 7.5t tipper and now it tares 100kg lighter.
Does anyone know if you can remove the rear underrun bar? If so we reckon we’ll get at least a 4.1t payload on it. We just get 4 on it now.
maneman:
The onus is surely on cyclists to ride appropriately obeying the Highway Code and not as many currently do with an air of their right of way because they are eco friendly and so wonderful, fit, healthy and have loads of government, council and lefty do gooder approval.When I ride my bicycle I do so in a manner that I realise that I am the most vulnerable road user bar none and I respect those that have professional driving jobs and give them the respect and courtesy that they deserve. I also ride defensively because I know that in the likelihood of an accident with any other road user I am the one that is most likely to come off worse irrespective of cycle helmets, gloves, hi-vis etc.
This is surely the best approach in educating all cyclists to adopt and realise the harsh realities of cycling on our busy, modern and congested roads that are predominantly geared up for vehicles and not horses or horse drawn carriages any more let alone bicycles.
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