how can he do this legaly make drivers redundant then give them the same work if they buy there own truck .redundancy means the job you was doing no longer exist but it must be still there… some sort of legal challange if they got together along the lines of unfair dismisal.might pay out more than redundancy , ■■?
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how can he do this legaly make drivers redundant then give them the same work if they buy there own truck .redundancy means the job you was doing no longer exist but it must be still there… some sort of legal challange if they got together along the lines of unfair dismisal.might pay out more than redundancy , ■■?
Their Job is no longer there, the work is going to be covered by other companies and employed drivers are no longer required, but they are being offered the chance to become one of those companies. There is no legal challenge for any kind of unfair dismissal possible.
Good Idea 
Goldfinger:
It’s in the Sun newspaper, page 48.
Leave it there 
I did a bit of cover for them one Christmas and trying to get the planners on the phone and plan you properly was a nightmare. It was a set rate for the day so not too bothered at the time. Imagine though being paid by the load and being sat in a layby trying to get them on the phone…
wirralpete:
…£12,000 to become a stobarts biatch cant see many taking it up
I can. £12,000 for a franchise startup is relatively cheap and with a pool of redundant workers around there will be many who regard it as an investment, without realising the pitfalls. Makes me wonder if the TV programmes were all part of the plan to sell themselves to potential franchisees…
And in answer to a previous question about whether the O/D would be allowed to take on other contracts, that would be a definite no-no as your truck would be liveried & they wouldn’t want to risk that.
tallyman:
wirralpete:
…£12,000 to become a stobarts biatch cant see many taking it up
I can. £12,000 for a franchise startup is relatively cheap and with a pool of redundant workers around there will be many who regard it as an investment, without realising the pitfalls. Makes me wonder if the TV programmes were all part of the plan to sell themselves to potential franchisees…
And in answer to a previous question about whether the O/D would be allowed to take on other contracts, that would be a definite no-no as your truck would be liveried & they wouldn’t want to risk that.
It would be great to think that the TV programmes are part of a huge ESL conspiracy but it doesn’t work.
I used to grudgingly admire ESL and would probably be an ideal driver for them but after what I’ve seen on TV. I’m just relieved that I work elsewhere, I doubt I’m not the only one.
I would say that ESL use a PR agent. That’s why the ads for new recruits (remember them) appeared in The Sun just before the TV series and these new ads are not in the trade press.
W
snice 6 16 last night there has been 46 commets all saying how bad this is but has anyone asked stobarts what is in it for the driver or is it all just driver talk
and don’t forget you have to pass your operators CPC which now includes the international exam too 
then wait 2 months for the results, how many would pass the exams?
If these lads make a good of it then Great , but I bet its the cash flow that will get them , its not nice to say it but its true .
I look at it this way if those trucks were making a profit would you sell them ?
If they were not making a profit they would of gone along time ago
mac12:
snice 6 16 last night there has been 46 commets all saying how bad this is but has anyone asked stobarts what is in it for the driver or is it all just driver talk
I guess you are trying to be objective but can you explain to the casual observer like me.
What part of making three hundred drivers redundant and then offering their jobs up for sale at twelve grand a pop is a good thing?
W
i am just trying to look objective,from there side it must cost hell of alot to have 300 drivers parked up for 11 hours every night when you can have another driver useing it.
Are there jobs up for sale or is the £12000 start up costs,don’t you need so much money in bank before you can run a truck,what about fuel until your 1st payment.
I’m not saying this is a good idea for any OD, but if the only thing you’re risking is £12000 would it not be a way in?
I look at it from this point of view, Stobarts are obviously a profitable company(?) and they’ve probably looked at how much it costs to employ a driver over and above a wage! The savings would be enormous without having to drop the rate.
No employers NI
No Unsocial hours payment
No night out money(£100pw-£5000 per year)
No meal allowance(£65pwpw-£3000 per year
No Holiday pay £2000 per year
No sick pay
No training costs
No pension 6% say of £30,000= £1800 per year
No agency to cover you if you go sick
Less admin to pay
£12000 with just those few things, so they could run it as before and be £12k up! Does a normal truck make that sort of profit per year? Genuine question!
Theres probably more savings but my limited brain could only come up with these 
He’ll probably make more money from these savings than the transport if what people say about him cutting the rates all the time are true!
Multiply that by however many he wants and thats quite a chunk of money!
all them things save them money but it could be a good thing for an OD,if you get no work they get no money
Wheel Nut:
Winseer:
All those ES trampers being laid off… Are any up for a 5 figure redundancy payment?There are a few, my mate at Goole got £103.29 as his final salary
£103.29?
Sounds rather below the government minimum to me… 
My missus reckons he must have started Christmas 2009 to only get that payment (I’ve got the C+E she’s got the CPC by the way 
If that’s not the case, better get onto directgov website (dunno if I’m allowed to post an actual link?) to find out what hasn’t been paid!! 
There’s a calculator thingy on there where you put in your service age and pay, and it tells you the MINIMUM you are entitled to.
mac12:
all them things save them money but it could be a good thing for an OD,if you get no work they get no money
They do…
stobarts ad:
A fully maintained Brand New tracor unit, including R&M (service costs), Isotrak costs FOR A FIXED MONTHLY COST
I read there, you’ll be paying monthly, no matter how much / little work you get.
I’ve applied to work for Stobarts in the past, but there’s no chance in hell I’d consider doing that ‘franchise’, not that I’ve got anywhere near £12k anyway, I’m a truck driver of modern times, that’s hand to mouth
That would be up to you to sort out in the contract.Have you seen one? ad also says truck will be working 7 days a week
mac12:
That would be up to you to sort out in the contract.Have you seen one? ad also says truck will be working 7 days a week
Manned, not working 
tallyman:
wirralpete:
…£12,000 to become a stobarts biatch cant see many taking it up
I can. £12,000 for a franchise startup is relatively cheap and with a pool of redundant workers around there will be many who regard it as an investment, without realising the pitfalls. Makes me wonder if the TV programmes were all part of the plan to sell themselves to potential franchisees…
And in answer to a previous question about whether the O/D would be allowed to take on other contracts, that would be a definite no-no as your truck would be liveried & they wouldn’t want to risk that.
You’re absolutely right. There will be plenty who are frankly stupid enough (sorry, but it’s true), and will regard this “opportunity” as an investment before they even think about the pitfalls. It may be an opportunity, but it’s not an investment, as you’ll be at the beck and call of Stobarts and no one else. That we backload for your mate down the road? Forget it!
This is not new ground for Stobarts. They had Owner Drivers back in the 90’s, and if memory serves me correctly, the “start up” back then was more than £12000. Indeed, there were quite a few based in the Hamiltonhill depot in Royston, Glasgow. The poor sods were always banging on (arrogantly in some cases) about how they had the best deal in Haulage. The best work they ever got was Sainsburys in East Kilbride - and they eventually lost that to UCI Logistics, at the time.
For most of them, it all ended in tears - and they had a better deal than the one that appears to be on offer now.