Redrum:
Spoke with the drivers reps today and I’ve been told it’s 32p an hour added to the day rate, making the standard rate £9 an hour. Weekend workers are going to get an extra 9p an hour, the lower rise on the weekend rate is apparently because past pay rises tended to favour weekend workers so this will make up for it.The meal allowance is staying.
Salary is the way to go[emoji362] As long as we don’t take the p1ss we just get our salary as normal.
Been with them 18 months and not had a day off sick same as the others so no p1ss taking goes on.
nomiS36:
Salary is the way to go[emoji362] As long as we don’t take the p1ss we just get our salary as normal.
Been with them 18 months and not had a day off sick same as the others so no p1ss taking goes on.
Don’t agree mate, if you’re salaried they generally want the last breath out of you.
If you do a 15 you get paid the same as a 13, so it’s hourly rate for me every time, at least you know where you are, and get paid for all hours worked.
Just my opinion.
robroy:
nomiS36:
Salary is the way to go[emoji362] As long as we don’t take the p1ss we just get our salary as normal.
Been with them 18 months and not had a day off sick same as the others so no p1ss taking goes on.Don’t agree mate, if you’re salaried they generally want the last breath out of you.
If you do a 15 you get paid the same as a 13, so it’s hourly rate for me every time, at least you know where you are, and get paid for all hours worked.
Just my opinion.
I’m with you rob [emoji6] salary works in most jobs but not truck driving as TM take the preverbial
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blue estate:
robroy:
nomiS36:
Salary is the way to go[emoji362] As long as we don’t take the p1ss we just get our salary as normal.
Been with them 18 months and not had a day off sick same as the others so no p1ss taking goes on.Don’t agree mate, if you’re salaried they generally want the last breath out of you.
If you do a 15 you get paid the same as a 13, so it’s hourly rate for me every time, at least you know where you are, and get paid for all hours worked.
Just my opinion.I’m with you rob [emoji6] salary works in most jobs but not truck driving as TM take the preverbial
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I have a mate on salary who maxs out most weeks.
Call me cynical, (or just logical 
) but if I was on salary it would be 13 hour max every day for me.
ie…‘‘I’ll give you x no. of quid to work today, you can either work 13 hours or 15’’
Let me think about that one for all of a second. 
I’m on salary based on 48hrs and averaged for the last 6 months 39.5hrs 
mrginge:
I’m on salary based on 48hrs and averaged for the last 6 months 39.5hrs
Is that WTD hours, or actual hours at work though? The reason I ask is because my WTD average hovers around the 40 hour mark, but I can assure you that I am at work for a lot longer than that however.
Hourly paid though so it’s no biggie to me.
There is no hard and fast rule of which method payment is best.
I’m salaried for 48 hours but average about 43 across the board, that could be 14 hours twice in one week if problems are encountered, and as last week it can be several 7 hour days on the trot, i could not find a job anywhere else paying my average hourly rate.
I’ve been hourly paid of course in times gone by, luckily almost always on proper unionised jobs where the rates had dark money, overtime after 8 hours and all weekends, i’ve also been on percentage and combinations of hours and various bonuses.
What is important however you are paid is to divide the top line (not including ex’s or night out money) by the number of hours actually worked to give you a mean average hourly rate, do not count POA because that’s only a fiddle to allow you to work more hours, or rather to be further exploited.
This is the only way to compare one job to another.
Too many drivers only look at the take home figure, and often include night out money in that.
robroy:
nomiS36:
Salary is the way to go[emoji362] As long as we don’t take the p1ss we just get our salary as normal.
Been with them 18 months and not had a day off sick same as the others so no p1ss taking goes on.Don’t agree mate, if you’re salaried they generally want the last breath out of you.
If you do a 15 you get paid the same as a 13, so it’s hourly rate for me every time, at least you know where you are, and get paid for all hours worked.
Just my opinion.
I would agree if on general haulage I suppose but I’m not. We’re on a decent salary (not massive like some claim [emoji57]) and contracted for 48 hours a week. If we average more we just get extra days off.
So, my argument for salary paid only holds up if the salary is decent enough that you don’t mind doing the odd 15. I do them usually to suit myself in that it makes the next day easier as we usually do 2 day runs.
Other than that yeah I’m with you…hourly paid every time!
Juddian:
do not count POA because that’s only a fiddle to allow you to work more hours.Too many drivers only look at the take home figure, and often include night out money in that.
Agree with your opinion of POA and WTD , both complete ■■■■■■■■ and ‘Not Real’.
Pay…They look at their take home pay with their nights out added and blissfully think… ‘‘I’m on good money me’’
Too dim to realise that in reality they simply aint … when they bother to consider how many hours they have put in for it, and how many (what should be overtime) hours over 40 they have worked for single time rate…and that their night out money aint wages, it’s subsistance.
Fool’s paradise with a lot of em. 
The best system is to have a good basic salary for x hours a day, paid regardless of whether you do those hours or not, then hourly pay at an enhanced rate for every minute you go over x hours.
That’s how we are paid & I don’t think you can argue. Some weeks I do less than my contracted hours for the week, but still pick up o/t for the longer days.
the maoster:
mrginge:
I’m on salary based on 48hrs and averaged for the last 6 months 39.5hrsIs that WTD hours, or actual hours at work though? The reason I ask is because my WTD average hovers around the 40 hour mark, but I can assure you that I am at work for a lot longer than that however.
Hourly paid though so it’s no biggie to me.
With my job it doesn’t matter as I might only work 2-3 days but be out the house for 7 days in a hotel so for some people they wouldn’t like being away from home even if it’s weekly rests and extra time off. If we are in the yard or a local job it’s a planned 8hr max day + 30min break. To me it’s great as I used to do 65+hrs Mon-Fri every week in my last job as it was hourly paid so if you had time you kept driving.
rob22888:
The best system is to have a good basic salary for x hours a day, paid regardless of whether you do those hours or not, then hourly pay at an enhanced rate for every minute you go over x hours.That’s how we are paid & I don’t think you can argue. Some weeks I do less than my contracted hours for the week, but still pick up o/t for the longer days.
That’s what we do, guaranteed 8 hours. Some weeks 8 hours is barely scratching the surface, other days are what we call standby days, where there is about a 30% chance of being called in, otherwise left to just chill. After 8 hours, overtime starts.
albion:
But as you don’t work for me - yes I know you wouldn’t in a million years, for which I’m grateful for, I Iike my vehicles in one piece and drivers that don’t ask questions like should I put my card in for an assessment drive - .
ROFLPMSL at that one… 
So…you want your vehicles in one piece but dont run pre employment driving classes for the inept then Mrs A?? Thats terrible… 
Back on track re Stobarts pay rise and £8.68phr, heres my take on it…
sammym:
I’m just shrugging my shoulders in disbelief. Working men arguing against sick pay - because they honestly believe it’s abused rather than a safety net for them in their darkest hour.
SSP…now lets just look it up, how much is it now? Oh yeah…f[zb] all…
robroy:
nomiS36:
Salary is the way to go[emoji362] As long as we don’t take the p1ss we just get our salary as normal.
Been with them 18 months and not had a day off sick same as the others so no p1ss taking goes on.Don’t agree mate, if you’re salaried they generally want the last breath out of you.
If you do a 15 you get paid the same as a 13, so it’s hourly rate for me every time, at least you know where you are, and get paid for all hours worked.
Just my opinion.
I would agree with you on general or other crap work. Especially if it was an average salary.
Not doing crap work and being paid a very good salary means I don’t care what hours I do as it’s fair pay even for a totally maxed week, which I don’t think I’ve ever done here. Same money every week of the year, cash for holidays I don’t take, sweetie money from wine and baccy, cheers easy.
AndrewG:
sammym:
I’m just shrugging my shoulders in disbelief. Working men arguing against sick pay - because they honestly believe it’s abused rather than a safety net for them in their darkest hour.SSP…now lets just look it up, how much is it now? Oh yeah…f[zb] all…
That’s my point…
Which is why I’m I believe a decent employer would provide something better.
I don’t believe (mistakenly) that full sick pay from day one is abused, i’ve seen it with mine own eyes time after bloody time, ■■■■ takers destroy good jobs far quicker than the most incompetent pointy shoes can even manage.
Ironically it isn’t usually the union members that do this, it’s the hypocrits who won’t join the union but trouser any and every benefit the union members have negotiated over the years , and then moan and nit pick endlessly like the boring little shysters that so many of them are.
sammym:
AndrewG:
sammym:
I’m just shrugging my shoulders in disbelief. Working men arguing against sick pay - because they honestly believe it’s abused rather than a safety net for them in their darkest hour.SSP…now lets just look it up, how much is it now? Oh yeah…f[zb] all…
That’s my point…
Which is why I’m I believe a decent employer would provide something better.
Yes Sammy you are so right, I’m an awful employer, so maybe I should just finish up and they all can and go and find other jobs with better employers. I’m sure they’ve just stayed for years despite me being so terrible.
albion:
sammym:
AndrewG:
sammym:
I’m just shrugging my shoulders in disbelief. Working men arguing against sick pay - because they honestly believe it’s abused rather than a safety net for them in their darkest hour.SSP…now lets just look it up, how much is it now? Oh yeah…f[zb] all…
That’s my point…
Which is why I’m I believe a decent employer would provide something better.
Yes Sammy you are so right, I’m an awful employer, so maybe I should just finish up and they all can and go and find other jobs with better employers. I’m sure they’ve just stayed for years despite me being so terrible.
Stop being dramatic.
I wasn’t even referring to you. I was pointing out that he said SSP paid nothing and was therefore no use to employees if they found themselves with a long term illness.
My opinion is that a company should pay it’s staff sick pay. And my opinion is that the government should legislate for this in the same way as it does holiday pay. But it’s just an opinion and this is just the internet.
Also - the argument that some staff have stayed for a long time so you must be good is one of an imbecile. Stobarts have some staff who have stayed a long time so they must be top notch using that logic. I’m sure you are a good employer and I’m sure your staff are happy. But I’m also sure that the same employees would feed radically differently after ‘decades’ of service they got cancer and couldn’t afford their mortgage.