last time i spoke to stobby driver in wetherby services few weeks ago whilst he was getting his truck name wrote down by spotters. he was telling me he was on £7.20 basic for days cant remember his overtime rate but guaranteed hours a week plus meal allowances was only a day shift driver
I have no axe to grind with Stobarts, I neither love nor hate them. In fact the most suitable word for it would be ambivilent. However, the wage issue that keeps cropping up is obviously of great concern to some folk on here. Afaik I reckon the wages are right in the average bracket, not great, but certainly not the worst, and there seems to be a whole load of firms out there that will abuse drivers a lot more than Stobbies will.
What did surprise me was learning that drivers get treated differently by fellow drivers just because they wear the green! That’s amazing tbh and I wouldn’t dream of treating a driver differently because he/she wore a Royal Mail, Tesco, Asda, Downton etc uniform.
In fact I was gonna write that these anti Stobart threads bore me and I don’t know why I bother to read them, then I realised why I do… They always without fail end up in a huge name calling bun fight.
And that my friends is why I’ll continue to read stuff that should bore me. 
So, those working 84 hours a week are getting a basic gross pay of £840 are they? Nope, I forgot. The racing to the bottom that some of you think I’m a helmet for slamming all the time means that it’s actually 84 paid hours at £6.25ph, making that £525 basic considered so meaty by so many… Maybe that indeed means taking home £460pw with the allowances and other odds and sods added on to take a few quid off the taxman just as much as claiming any tax credits do, which of course also makes me such a helmet apparently.
Get the argument straight. Crossing picket lines is scabby. I’ve never done it, so criticising me is outside the argument of this entire thread!
Let’s keep some other answers straightforward then. NO personal attacks involved here, just a generalisation - no names as to protect the guilty.
Question One - What firms are not paying POA… or at least using POA to cover up paying near to the minimum wage…
Kent runners into Pallet networks don’t pay POA. You’ll do a 12-15 hour night monday-friday each week for about £500 “salary”. No particular company named to protect the guilty, but there’s plenty of them. It probably doesn’t apply to outside kent, as it’s the 4hr20run upto places like Fradley Park/Burton that make it such a long night.
Question Two -
96 hours a fortnight refers to the average driving hours you’re supposed to clock up in a full time job. It can be extended to 56 hours on odd weeks, but must still average 48 over a reference period, generally 26 weeks. The max working week was supposed to be 60 hours, and not 84 at work. If there are firms paying people for 84 hours but only recording 48-56 hours a week to their WTD aggregate, then the firm must therefore be cooking their books. Do you all think I’m a helmet for saying that working an 84 hour week, week in week out is LEGAL?
It doesn’t matter if you only get paid for 48 hours, only drive for 48-56 hours, or whatever. It’s over 60 hours a week average at work, which is taking the ■■■■ looking at the families, and sometimes lives it all destroys.
When investigated by VOSA the dodgy firm will say of a recently crashed and killed driver “He does a 48 hour driving week here pal” when in fact he did 6 x 15 hour shifts with a 1 hour break per day" (the 84 hour week of which I speak) which of course means that he had too many 9 hour daily rests not just that week, but every week.
Even five days of this crap is bad enough - but 6?
No wonder this proverbial driver died of the “nodding dog!” Now I feel pretty passionately about weeding this OUT of the industry. And there are those who’d slag me off for “threatening to upset the applecart” with such whistleblowing?
Trying to save lives and livelihoods makes me a scumbag, whereas those crossing picket lines are "ok fella* because there’s just so many of them these days?
Who’s boiling who’s ■■■■ now?
Democracy died with the Unions I think, since how can so many people be lining up to get it wrong, and any attempt to be the voice of reason gets me slagged off so often?
I’m not a stobart slammer in particular, as I’ve never had anything to do with them. They are just one of many firms in the race to the bottom, thinking that is a good thing for all concerned. There are other firms out there - those working in them know who - who’ll be encouraging longer than necassary hours. Encouraging covered-up tiredness. Encouraging premature DEATH!
The name just crops up a lot on this board as representatives of that canny business practice that uses worker’s own fear to drive down wages, which is the thin end of the wedge.
I feel strongly against a boss getting rich when their rank and file staff get poorer by the backdoor.
I slam those who aid and abet firms like them into driving down wages, scabbing across picket lines, slag off people like me for speaking against it, and maintaining divisions across the industry. 
I write a lot, because I type fairly fast. I’ve been posting online far longer than I’ve been driving, and don’t much like the “dumbing down” that has taken place on the net since the days when “being online” was the realm of computer folk like me, travel agents, and the academic community in particular. Ie. people who can spell and type for starters!
Do I know anything? Nope, I have a large number of opinions, some of which I feel quite passionately about like many other folk. If ‘writing a lot’ and ‘having passions’ makes me a loudmouth, then just about everyone in history who’s stood up and said something, written a book, or pretty much done anything outside of themselves AT ALL is a loudmouth by that reckoning.
Now… Hows Abouts someone explaining to me a proper reason why you really don’t like me that much… 
Surely it’s more than just “reading fatigue” at my posts that no one is forcing you to read? 
stevieboy308:
Conor:
Less than those on agency doing the same job.i’ve only ever had 1 agency job that paid less the the employed drivers, quite normal i’d say.
I know that for Goole for days the agencies are advertising £1.50-£2.00 per hour more than Stobbie drivers get on days.
When I was there, the night shunters were the best paid - £28k for a 44hr working week. Had to do weekends/part weekends though as it was 4 on 4 off.
haribo4000:
I usually work 50 hours a week, my wages are split on day and night rate due to my start time. And I take home just shy of £900 a fortnight. Not bad to say most of my day is spent asleep on the back shelf. Best of all I get to wear a nice green shirt and shiny belt.
■■■■ id rather wear my orange trousers n t-shirt 
this is getting interesting good posts from everyone.
so lets see if it can develope into a mature debate and not decend into a handbags at dawn debacle like every other E/S thread ends up.
With E/S being asuch a big player in this industry i would be good to have a lenthy debate without the bunfights.
here you go…i have been working for mr stobart now since 2nd july…i have 13 payslips…i work nights…
my lowest gross wage is £569.99…my highest is £736.38…my 13 week average gross pay is £628.14.
i work 5 shifts a week…not done 6 yet.
it is by far the easiest job i have ever had…has good kit…well looked after…i have a green uniform provided foc which my wife washes and i claim my laundry costs against my tax.
these are real figures not fantasy…oh…and now ive been there 3 months i have another 25 quid a week allowance to look forward to. 
let the knockers knock!
xamtex:
here you go…i have been working for mr stobart now since 2nd july…i have 13 payslips…i work nights…
my lowest gross wage is £569.99…my highest is £736.38…my 13 week average gross pay is £628.14.
i work 5 shifts a week…not done 6 yet.
it is by far the easiest job i have ever had…has good kit…well looked after…i have a green uniform provided foc which my wife washes and i claim my laundry costs against my tax.
these are real figures not fantasy…oh…and now ive been there 3 months i have another 25 quid a week allowance to look forward to.
let the knockers knock!
thats bout right im a newbie esl nights driver knocking btw 400/500 p/w take home at min but not got a major amount of hours in but it is a good wage when you get past the basic
Winseer:
So, those working 84 hours a week are getting a basic gross pay of £840 are they? Nope, I forgot. The racing to the bottom that some of you think I’m a helmet for slamming all the time means that it’s actually 84 paid hours at £6.25ph, making that £525 basic considered so meaty by so many… Maybe that indeed means taking home £460pw with the allowances and other odds and sods added on to take a few quid off the taxman just as much as claiming any tax credits do, which of course also makes me such a helmet apparently.
Get the argument straight. Crossing picket lines is scabby. I’ve never done it, so criticising me is outside the argument of this entire thread!Let’s keep some other answers straightforward then. NO personal attacks involved here, just a generalisation - no names as to protect the guilty.
Question One - What firms are not paying POA… or at least using POA to cover up paying near to the minimum wage…
Kent runners into Pallet networks don’t pay POA. You’ll do a 12-15 hour night monday-friday each week for about £500 “salary”. No particular company named to protect the guilty, but there’s plenty of them. It probably doesn’t apply to outside kent, as it’s the 4hr20run upto places like Fradley Park/Burton that make it such a long night.Question Two -
96 hours a fortnight refers to the average driving hours you’re supposed to clock up in a full time job. It can be extended to 56 hours on odd weeks, but must still average 48 over a reference period, generally 26 weeks. The max working week was supposed to be 60 hours, and not 84 at work. If there are firms paying people for 84 hours but only recording 48-56 hours a week to their WTD aggregate, then the firm must therefore be cooking their books. Do you all think I’m a helmet for saying that working an 84 hour week, week in week out is LEGAL?
It doesn’t matter if you only get paid for 48 hours, only drive for 48-56 hours, or whatever. It’s over 60 hours a week average at work, which is taking the ■■■■ looking at the families, and sometimes lives it all destroys.When investigated by VOSA the dodgy firm will say of a recently crashed and killed driver “He does a 48 hour driving week here pal” when in fact he did 6 x 15 hour shifts with a 1 hour break per day" (the 84 hour week of which I speak) which of course means that he had too many 9 hour daily rests not just that week, but every week.
Even five days of this crap is bad enough - but 6?
No wonder this proverbial driver died of the “nodding dog!” Now I feel pretty passionately about weeding this OUT of the industry. And there are those who’d slag me off for “threatening to upset the applecart” with such whistleblowing?
Trying to save lives and livelihoods makes me a scumbag, whereas those crossing picket lines are "ok fella* because there’s just so many of them these days?
Who’s boiling who’s ■■■■ now?
Democracy died with the Unions I think, since how can so many people be lining up to get it wrong, and any attempt to be the voice of reason gets me slagged off so often?I’m not a stobart slammer in particular, as I’ve never had anything to do with them. They are just one of many firms in the race to the bottom, thinking that is a good thing for all concerned. There are other firms out there - those working in them know who - who’ll be encouraging longer than necassary hours. Encouraging covered-up tiredness. Encouraging premature DEATH!
The name just crops up a lot on this board as representatives of that canny business practice that uses worker’s own fear to drive down wages, which is the thin end of the wedge.
I feel strongly against a boss getting rich when their rank and file staff get poorer by the backdoor.I slam those who aid and abet firms like them into driving down wages, scabbing across picket lines, slag off people like me for speaking against it, and maintaining divisions across the industry.
I write a lot, because I type fairly fast. I’ve been posting online far longer than I’ve been driving, and don’t much like the “dumbing down” that has taken place on the net since the days when “being online” was the realm of computer folk like me, travel agents, and the academic community in particular. Ie. people who can spell and type for starters!
Do I know anything? Nope, I have a large number of opinions, some of which I feel quite passionately about like many other folk. If ‘writing a lot’ and ‘having passions’ makes me a loudmouth, then just about everyone in history who’s stood up and said something, written a book, or pretty much done anything outside of themselves AT ALL is a loudmouth by that reckoning.
Now… Hows Abouts someone explaining to me a proper reason why you really don’t like me that much…
Surely it’s more than just “reading fatigue” at my posts that no one is forcing you to read?
here’s my reason I don’t like ya,
Cos your a work shy benefit sponger.
spectron:
Winseer:
So, those working 84 hours a week are getting a basic gross pay of £840 are they? Nope, I forgot. The racing to the bottom that some of you think I’m a helmet for slamming all the time means that it’s actually 84 paid hours at £6.25ph, making that £525 basic considered so meaty by so many… Maybe that indeed means taking home £460pw with the allowances and other odds and sods added on to take a few quid off the taxman just as much as claiming any tax credits do, which of course also makes me such a helmet apparently.
Get the argument straight. Crossing picket lines is scabby. I’ve never done it, so criticising me is outside the argument of this entire thread!Let’s keep some other answers straightforward then. NO personal attacks involved here, just a generalisation - no names as to protect the guilty.
Question One - What firms are not paying POA… or at least using POA to cover up paying near to the minimum wage…
Kent runners into Pallet networks don’t pay POA. You’ll do a 12-15 hour night monday-friday each week for about £500 “salary”. No particular company named to protect the guilty, but there’s plenty of them. It probably doesn’t apply to outside kent, as it’s the 4hr20run upto places like Fradley Park/Burton that make it such a long night.Question Two -
96 hours a fortnight refers to the average driving hours you’re supposed to clock up in a full time job. It can be extended to 56 hours on odd weeks, but must still average 48 over a reference period, generally 26 weeks. The max working week was supposed to be 60 hours, and not 84 at work. If there are firms paying people for 84 hours but only recording 48-56 hours a week to their WTD aggregate, then the firm must therefore be cooking their books. Do you all think I’m a helmet for saying that working an 84 hour week, week in week out is LEGAL?
It doesn’t matter if you only get paid for 48 hours, only drive for 48-56 hours, or whatever. It’s over 60 hours a week average at work, which is taking the ■■■■ looking at the families, and sometimes lives it all destroys.When investigated by VOSA the dodgy firm will say of a recently crashed and killed driver “He does a 48 hour driving week here pal” when in fact he did 6 x 15 hour shifts with a 1 hour break per day" (the 84 hour week of which I speak) which of course means that he had too many 9 hour daily rests not just that week, but every week.
Even five days of this crap is bad enough - but 6?
No wonder this proverbial driver died of the “nodding dog!” Now I feel pretty passionately about weeding this OUT of the industry. And there are those who’d slag me off for “threatening to upset the applecart” with such whistleblowing?
Trying to save lives and livelihoods makes me a scumbag, whereas those crossing picket lines are "ok fella* because there’s just so many of them these days?
Who’s boiling who’s ■■■■ now?
Democracy died with the Unions I think, since how can so many people be lining up to get it wrong, and any attempt to be the voice of reason gets me slagged off so often?I’m not a stobart slammer in particular, as I’ve never had anything to do with them. They are just one of many firms in the race to the bottom, thinking that is a good thing for all concerned. There are other firms out there - those working in them know who - who’ll be encouraging longer than necassary hours. Encouraging covered-up tiredness. Encouraging premature DEATH!
The name just crops up a lot on this board as representatives of that canny business practice that uses worker’s own fear to drive down wages, which is the thin end of the wedge.
I feel strongly against a boss getting rich when their rank and file staff get poorer by the backdoor.I slam those who aid and abet firms like them into driving down wages, scabbing across picket lines, slag off people like me for speaking against it, and maintaining divisions across the industry.
I write a lot, because I type fairly fast. I’ve been posting online far longer than I’ve been driving, and don’t much like the “dumbing down” that has taken place on the net since the days when “being online” was the realm of computer folk like me, travel agents, and the academic community in particular. Ie. people who can spell and type for starters!
Do I know anything? Nope, I have a large number of opinions, some of which I feel quite passionately about like many other folk. If ‘writing a lot’ and ‘having passions’ makes me a loudmouth, then just about everyone in history who’s stood up and said something, written a book, or pretty much done anything outside of themselves AT ALL is a loudmouth by that reckoning.
Now… Hows Abouts someone explaining to me a proper reason why you really don’t like me that much…
Surely it’s more than just “reading fatigue” at my posts that no one is forcing you to read?here’s my reason I don’t like ya,
Cos your a work shy benefit sponger.
/\ /\ /\
Thought as much , why cant people have grown up debate on a subject without the personal attacks
i get working tax credit and child tax credit some housing benifit and child benifit does that make me a benifit sponger too ? I also work long hours driving coaches and away from home most nights.
No matter how much money an operator is paying someone will be willing to work for it and thats been the case for as long as i can remember.
96 hours fortnightly driving? Er excuse me me mighty winseer but think you better go and do your cpc and swot up a bit.
Right I’ll make it easy for you. My average week is 3x15, 1x13 and probably between 10 and 13 on a Friday. Lets say 12, add we know how pedantic you are. Oh crikey that makes an easy 70. That will be for arguments sake 45 hours driving. A few hours other work, some break and some poa. Out of the 70 hours I will be deducted 2.5 for breaks. Come on brain box I know you can work that out.
I contribute £25 per week to a pension fund. after this comes of my wages I usually bank in the region of £575. Is that easy enough for you to understand.
No? Ok here we go. 70 hours per week on duty. Drive/work approx 50 (ok I know wtd is 48 but I do have slack weeks) and I am paid a take home wage of £600. Monday to Friday.
Oh and I agree with the above post regarding you being a work shy sponging parasitic pleb. Good evening sir.
ND888 BIGJ. How I’d love to get some benefits. One child and a mortgage. Wife works part time, I work full time. What benefits do I get? None.
So in answer to your question. Yes.
Winseer:
So, those working 84 hours a week are getting a basic gross pay of £840 are they? Nope, I forgot. The racing to the bottom that some of you think I’m a helmet for slamming all the time means that it’s actually 84 paid hours at £6.25ph, making that £525 basic considered so meaty by so many… Maybe that indeed means taking home £460pw with the allowances and other odds and sods added on to take a few quid off the taxman just as much as claiming any tax credits do, which of course also makes me such a helmet apparently.
Get the argument straight. Crossing picket lines is scabby. I’ve never done it, so criticising me is outside the argument of this entire thread!Let’s keep some other answers straightforward then. NO personal attacks involved here, just a generalisation - no names as to protect the guilty.
Question One - What firms are not paying POA… or at least using POA to cover up paying near to the minimum wage…
Kent runners into Pallet networks don’t pay POA. You’ll do a 12-15 hour night monday-friday each week for about £500 “salary”. No particular company named to protect the guilty, but there’s plenty of them. It probably doesn’t apply to outside kent, as it’s the 4hr20run upto places like Fradley Park/Burton that make it such a long night.Question Two -
96 hours a fortnight refers to the average driving hours you’re supposed to clock up in a full time job. It can be extended to 56 hours on odd weeks, but must still average 48 over a reference period, generally 26 weeks. The max working week was supposed to be 60 hours, and not 84 at work. If there are firms paying people for 84 hours but only recording 48-56 hours a week to their WTD aggregate, then the firm must therefore be cooking their books. Do you all think I’m a helmet for saying that working an 84 hour week, week in week out is LEGAL?
It doesn’t matter if you only get paid for 48 hours, only drive for 48-56 hours, or whatever. It’s over 60 hours a week average at work, which is taking the ■■■■ looking at the families, and sometimes lives it all destroys.When investigated by VOSA the dodgy firm will say of a recently crashed and killed driver “He does a 48 hour driving week here pal” when in fact he did 6 x 15 hour shifts with a 1 hour break per day" (the 84 hour week of which I speak) which of course means that he had too many 9 hour daily rests not just that week, but every week.
Even five days of this crap is bad enough - but 6?
No wonder this proverbial driver died of the “nodding dog!” Now I feel pretty passionately about weeding this OUT of the industry. And there are those who’d slag me off for “threatening to upset the applecart” with such whistleblowing?
Trying to save lives and livelihoods makes me a scumbag, whereas those crossing picket lines are "ok fella* because there’s just so many of them these days?
Who’s boiling who’s ■■■■ now?
Democracy died with the Unions I think, since how can so many people be lining up to get it wrong, and any attempt to be the voice of reason gets me slagged off so often?I’m not a stobart slammer in particular, as I’ve never had anything to do with them. They are just one of many firms in the race to the bottom, thinking that is a good thing for all concerned. There are other firms out there - those working in them know who - who’ll be encouraging longer than necassary hours. Encouraging covered-up tiredness. Encouraging premature DEATH!
The name just crops up a lot on this board as representatives of that canny business practice that uses worker’s own fear to drive down wages, which is the thin end of the wedge.
I feel strongly against a boss getting rich when their rank and file staff get poorer by the backdoor.I slam those who aid and abet firms like them into driving down wages, scabbing across picket lines, slag off people like me for speaking against it, and maintaining divisions across the industry.
I write a lot, because I type fairly fast. I’ve been posting online far longer than I’ve been driving, and don’t much like the “dumbing down” that has taken place on the net since the days when “being online” was the realm of computer folk like me, travel agents, and the academic community in particular. Ie. people who can spell and type for starters!
Do I know anything? Nope, I have a large number of opinions, some of which I feel quite passionately about like many other folk. If ‘writing a lot’ and ‘having passions’ makes me a loudmouth, then just about everyone in history who’s stood up and said something, written a book, or pretty much done anything outside of themselves AT ALL is a loudmouth by that reckoning.
Now… Hows Abouts someone explaining to me a proper reason why you really don’t like me that much…
Surely it’s more than just “reading fatigue” at my posts that no one is forcing you to read?
how can you use a salaried job as you example of a firm not paying poa? i’m not accepting it! but even so, even if you do 3 x 15 and 2 x 12 = 69 then it works out at around £7.25 for every hour at work, whilst a poor straight through rate, it isn’t below the nmw.
you’re going to have to do better than that or it’s going to get filed as bull ■■■■
question 2, well you’re all over the place 
90 hours is the maximum you can drive in a fortnight, 56 hours is the maximum you can drive in week, there are no driving hours to average out
60 is the maximum number of hours you can work in a week, work = driving + other work. ---- breaks, rest and poa do not count.
48 hours are what you need to average for your work hours over the specified reference period, usually 26 weeks.
you can therefor have more than 60 hours on your time sheet with the use of breaks / poa, there is nothing ilegal about this.
ND888 BIGJ:
spectron:
Winseer:
So, those working 84 hours a week are getting a basic gross pay of £840 are they? Nope, I forgot. The racing to the bottom that some of you think I’m a helmet for slamming all the time means that it’s actually 84 paid hours at £6.25ph, making that £525 basic considered so meaty by so many… Maybe that indeed means taking home £460pw with the allowances and other odds and sods added on to take a few quid off the taxman just as much as claiming any tax credits do, which of course also makes me such a helmet apparently.
Get the argument straight. Crossing picket lines is scabby. I’ve never done it, so criticising me is outside the argument of this entire thread!Let’s keep some other answers straightforward then. NO personal attacks involved here, just a generalisation - no names as to protect the guilty.
Question One - What firms are not paying POA… or at least using POA to cover up paying near to the minimum wage…
Kent runners into Pallet networks don’t pay POA. You’ll do a 12-15 hour night monday-friday each week for about £500 “salary”. No particular company named to protect the guilty, but there’s plenty of them. It probably doesn’t apply to outside kent, as it’s the 4hr20run upto places like Fradley Park/Burton that make it such a long night.Question Two -
96 hours a fortnight refers to the average driving hours you’re supposed to clock up in a full time job. It can be extended to 56 hours on odd weeks, but must still average 48 over a reference period, generally 26 weeks. The max working week was supposed to be 60 hours, and not 84 at work. If there are firms paying people for 84 hours but only recording 48-56 hours a week to their WTD aggregate, then the firm must therefore be cooking their books. Do you all think I’m a helmet for saying that working an 84 hour week, week in week out is LEGAL?
It doesn’t matter if you only get paid for 48 hours, only drive for 48-56 hours, or whatever. It’s over 60 hours a week average at work, which is taking the ■■■■ looking at the families, and sometimes lives it all destroys.When investigated by VOSA the dodgy firm will say of a recently crashed and killed driver “He does a 48 hour driving week here pal” when in fact he did 6 x 15 hour shifts with a 1 hour break per day" (the 84 hour week of which I speak) which of course means that he had too many 9 hour daily rests not just that week, but every week.
Even five days of this crap is bad enough - but 6?
No wonder this proverbial driver died of the “nodding dog!” Now I feel pretty passionately about weeding this OUT of the industry. And there are those who’d slag me off for “threatening to upset the applecart” with such whistleblowing?
Trying to save lives and livelihoods makes me a scumbag, whereas those crossing picket lines are "ok fella* because there’s just so many of them these days?
Who’s boiling who’s ■■■■ now?
Democracy died with the Unions I think, since how can so many people be lining up to get it wrong, and any attempt to be the voice of reason gets me slagged off so often?I’m not a stobart slammer in particular, as I’ve never had anything to do with them. They are just one of many firms in the race to the bottom, thinking that is a good thing for all concerned. There are other firms out there - those working in them know who - who’ll be encouraging longer than necassary hours. Encouraging covered-up tiredness. Encouraging premature DEATH!
The name just crops up a lot on this board as representatives of that canny business practice that uses worker’s own fear to drive down wages, which is the thin end of the wedge.
I feel strongly against a boss getting rich when their rank and file staff get poorer by the backdoor.I slam those who aid and abet firms like them into driving down wages, scabbing across picket lines, slag off people like me for speaking against it, and maintaining divisions across the industry.
I write a lot, because I type fairly fast. I’ve been posting online far longer than I’ve been driving, and don’t much like the “dumbing down” that has taken place on the net since the days when “being online” was the realm of computer folk like me, travel agents, and the academic community in particular. Ie. people who can spell and type for starters!
Do I know anything? Nope, I have a large number of opinions, some of which I feel quite passionately about like many other folk. If ‘writing a lot’ and ‘having passions’ makes me a loudmouth, then just about everyone in history who’s stood up and said something, written a book, or pretty much done anything outside of themselves AT ALL is a loudmouth by that reckoning.
Now… Hows Abouts someone explaining to me a proper reason why you really don’t like me that much…
Surely it’s more than just “reading fatigue” at my posts that no one is forcing you to read?here’s my reason I don’t like ya,
Cos your a work shy benefit sponger./\ /\ /\
Thought as much , why cant people have grown up debate on a subject without the personal attacksi get working tax credit and child tax credit some housing benifit and child benifit does that make me a benifit sponger too ? I also work long hours driving coaches and away from home most nights.
No matter how much money an operator is paying someone will be willing to work for it and thats been the case for as long as i can remember.
i personally have no problem with people working full time having low wages topped up etc, that is the point of the benefit. that is not what winseer does, that’s why i don’t agree with what he does
Some reasonable take home pay being quoted here, i assume subsistence allowances would be in addition?
The hours blokes employed there need to work for an average take home pay is nothing short of scandalous, its not 1963 any more, people shouldn’t need to work two weeks every week for just an average wage.
Juddian:
Some reasonable take home pay being quoted here, i assume subsistence allowances would be in addition?The hours blokes employed there need to work for an average take home pay is nothing short of scandalous, its not 1963 any more, people shouldn’t need to work two weeks every week for just an average wage.
I am fairly certain you are winseers secret brother. Take home post is including all allowances and bonuses. I know you think it’s all wrong, but that’s how it is. You come up to my rural part of the world and find a well paid job. You’ll be looking at approx £7 per hour shop or manual labour. 40 hours a week. Not a big take home wage is it?
So I’ll take my 70 hours thank you very much. Oh silly me I should do less hours and sponge the rest.
here’s my reason I don’t like ya,
Cos your a work shy benefit sponger.
[/quote]
Wrong facts. Typical ongoing moron who can’t take my previous complaint against as an end to all this crap.
I’ve paid near on £250k in taxes during my career to date as a driver. I’d say I’ve paid more into the system than even someone who’s never worked can take out.
Dunno why that makes me “workshy” or “benefit scrounger”.
I’ve already told you I’ve signed on a total of 9 weeks in the past quarter century.
I’ve worked every week other than those 9 weeks, anything upto the legal 60 hours, with my average being at the upper end.
You’d have to be an idiot, or working illegally to be out-earning me even now. I’ll settle for the former explanation I reckons.
Going PART TIME after 22 years of that does NOT make me any of the things you suggest, so just knock the attacks on me on the head ok?
In your book, pensioners are spongers as well are they not? They claim state pension (a benefit), then don’t work as many hours (workshy?) - maybe none at all. They don’t claim unemployment benefits (as I have not 1135 weeks out of the last 1144)
However, unlike me they won’t fly in your face and defend themselves every time some johnny-come-lately pillock steps in to attack them… 
“Not liking me” because you’re of lower capacity is not sufficient reason to dislike me, therefore it must only be out of ignorance and stupidity that you do.
You have the right to ignore me, and that’s it.
Seeing two words linked together of my posts is clearly damaging to you, and it was not my intention to put you in hospital.
If you want to try and overtake me in anything, try out-posting me without making yourself look like a kid in the process.
Challenge on!
happysack:
Juddian:
Some reasonable take home pay being quoted here, i assume subsistence allowances would be in addition?The hours blokes employed there need to work for an average take home pay is nothing short of scandalous, its not 1963 any more, people shouldn’t need to work two weeks every week for just an average wage.
I am fairly certain you are winseers secret brother. Take home post is including all allowances and bonuses. I know you think it’s all wrong, but that’s how it is. You come up to my rural part of the world and find a well paid job. You’ll be looking at approx £7 per hour shop or manual labour. 40 hours a week. Not a big take home wage is it?
So I’ll take my 70 hours thank you very much. Oh silly me I should do less hours and sponge the rest.
I was never criticising the actual takehome pay of any firm. Merely the hours at work required to earn it!
I don’t know exactly what my brothers do for a living - only that it’s under wraps to the point that even I don’t know about it!
(They don’t work in the high-hours transport industry!)
happysack:
ND888 BIGJ. How I’d love to get some benefits. One child and a mortgage. Wife works part time, I work full time. What benefits do I get? None.
So in answer to your question. Yes.
As someone once quoted on here "Never argue with an idiot they will bring you down to there level and beat you with experience "
You really need to be in possesion of all the facts before you make personal attacks on people.Otherwise you will only make a complete arse of yourself and expose yourself as a fool.
happysack:
96 hours fortnightly driving? Er excuse me me mighty winseer but think you better go and do your cpc and swot up a bit.Right I’ll make it easy for you. My average week is 3x15, 1x13 and probably between 10 and 13 on a Friday. Lets say 12, add we know how pedantic you are. Oh crikey that makes an easy 70. That will be for arguments sake 45 hours driving. A few hours other work, some break and some poa. Out of the 70 hours I will be deducted 2.5 for breaks. Come on brain box I know you can work that out.
I contribute £25 per week to a pension fund. after this comes of my wages I usually bank in the region of £575. Is that easy enough for you to understand.
No? Ok here we go. 70 hours per week on duty. Drive/work approx 50 (ok I know wtd is 48 but I do have slack weeks) and I am paid a take home wage of £600. Monday to Friday.
Oh and I agree with the above post regarding you being a work shy sponging parasitic pleb. Good evening sir.
Congratulations to you, for assisting your firm in running bent. It’s your licence, so I’m not criticising here.
This shift pattern for a single week would be fine for agency - but not for a full time job doing it week in, week out!
Part of being agency for me is the ability to pick up some heavy weeks from time to time, like during the run up to Christmas. As agency I would have enough hours banked to do it.
A full timer doing this 70 hours thing every week however would not. If you do 70 hours one week, then 26 hours the next week on a fortnight rotate, then it would be OK.
I don’t mind being paid for 70 hours, but I’ll not be on duty for more than 60 in any one week to get it: Not because I’m sponging or workshy - but because I’d really like to keep my clean licence for the remaining 20+ years of my driving career ahead! 
You won’t know anything is wrong with a weekly average over 60 hours on duty of course, until you are involved in an RTA and VOSA are all over you for reasons why it happened…
Fines, Company avoids liability, Driver responsible, Cut loose to limit damage to firm. job lost, licence lost, company survives. No one else walks out over dismissal, 'cos no one gives a ■■■■, etc etc.