Andrejs:
You can leave you car key or from house or any simple key.They anyway not check -What key you give to office.
They will if it’s a crappy Vauxhall or Ford key.
bald bloke:
Andrejs:
You can leave you car key or from house or any simple key.They anyway not check -What key you give to office.They will if it’s a crappy Vauxhall or Ford key.
That’s true, I accidently locked the cab on my way to the office once (central locking) realised as I was about to hand the paperwork over, so I took the unit key off so and handed them the fuel tank and adblue keys, no questions asked 
Reminds me of when I did euro work, handing keys in for a shower at MSAs. I soon learned to have a couple of old car keys on a fob and give those in instead.
Travis Perkins- have to hand keys to forklift driver, just in case drivers carry a spare set of keys around with them and try to drive off whilst the curtains are open they put a stop sign in front of the cab. Your only allowed to open one side at once as well. Once they’ve tipped one side they won’t start on the next until the first side is closed up. Haven’t quite worked out what injury that is preventing?
Amazon sites make you wait in some crap waiting area despite your wheels being chocked/locked, airline locked and your keys confiscated. Total ■■■■■■■■.
DHL Liverpool have come up with a good (ish) compromise, all the above but you drop the trailer and wait in front of it in your cab.
Rowley010:
Travis Perkins- have to hand keys to forklift driver, just in case drivers carry a spare set of keys around with them and try to drive off whilst the curtains are open they put a stop sign in front of the cab. Your only allowed to open one side at once as well. Once they’ve tipped one side they won’t start on the next until the first side is closed up. Haven’t quite worked out what injury that is preventing?
I make sure I take as long as possible doing up each side. I double check all my buckles and tuck them in too.
Play them at their own game.
A.
Edit: probably good to add I have about 30 buckles each side 
IT is one of my biggest bug bears. I hate the waiting rooms. I’ve said it before on here travis Perkins are the captains of OTT health and safety. The bay’s with downward incline into the bay and they still make you wait in a room. No keys and gravity prevent roll away even if you take of the handbrake. Amazon a Doncaster a chocked wheel and you have sit in a cage like an aminal. The guy told me people still try and drive off a chocked wheel. I think we are all punished cause there are some right idiots out there behind the wheel. 
red7jase:
No keys and gravity prevent roll away even if you take of the handbrake.
A lot of drivers carry a spare don’t forget, there was an EE driver tipping on a bay at my old place he handed his keys in and at the time drivers were allowed to sit in their cabs and he then for some reason we never got to the bottom of pulled off the bay with his spare set just as the pallet truck driver was bringing a pallet off luckily the warehouse bod wasn’t too hurt, from then on no drivers in cabs and keys in the office.
bald bloke:
red7jase:
No keys and gravity prevent roll away even if you take of the handbrake.A lot of drivers carry a spare don’t forget, there was an EE driver tipping on a bay at my old place he handed his keys in and at the time drivers were allowed to sit in their cabs and he then for some reason we never got to the bottom of pulled off the bay with his spare set just as the pallet truck driver was bringing a pallet off luckily the warehouse bod wasn’t too hurt, from then on no drivers in cabs and keys in the office.
red7jase:
I think we are all punished cause there are some right idiots out there behind the wheel.
^^
I don’t do RDC work, I never have thankfully, but I cant understand why they invest in all these expensive things that constantly getting damaged, and annoying drivers.
Driver backs onto bay, forklift driver dumps a concrete block weighing a couple of ton directly in front of the unit, they you go drive, keep your keys and ■■■■■■■■■■ yourself silly, because you aren’t going anywhere until the forklift removes the obstacle.
I have seen drivers having to come sheepishly back to collect their car keys after they have left the yard.
I have seen a driver wake up, look in his mirror and seeing a green, pull off with an FLT in the trailer. He looked at the wrong light.
I have seen the drivers who “stand up to the ■■■■■■■■” get banned off the site. Good luck to them as they will eventually make themselves unemployable.
I do agree that much of this is OTT and is often ignored if they are in a hurry or whatever. It is time that VOSA, if they don’t already, came up with a set of sensible rules that would keep us and all the other workers on a site, safe, but comfortable. Remember that it’s not the bird in the office, or the shunter, or even the guy in the suit that made these rules up. It was the H&S manager who rarely visits the site but has to cover his and his employer’s arses that is the culprit.
clarky3013:
I can accept why most places nowadays ask for keys, I saw a pullaway last year and although no one was hurt, it could have quite easily been a lot worseBut if your keys are handed in then I can’t understand what they could possibly expect to go wrong, if anything your more likely to get injured slipping on a spilt brew in a canteen than you are sat in your cab
Health and safety gone mad I tell ya
Because it has been known for some ■■■■ to knock the handbrake off when moving around in the cab.
It does happen. It’s also been known for a driver in a left hooked to see a green light… Now think about it… Yeah it’s a green for the bay next to him…
Because a minority are stupid, I’ve even seen a driver drive into the big red stop sign put in front of his rig at a Coke site(!)
One place I deliver to they tell you to stay in your vehicle, hang the keys on a board (or give them to the forkie 
) and remain 2ft away from the forklift in operation.
So why do I still get tipped while standing on the back rolling my straps up? 
Tossitoff:
Because a minority are stupid, I’ve even seen a driver drive into the big red stop sign put in front of his rig at a Coke site(!)
It’s surprising how those big red stop signs blend in. I’ve never actually driven at one, but when a forkie gave me my keys back and forgot to move the sign, I had it in gear and hand on the handbrake to move off before I realised! Having gone that far without seeing the big red sign in front of me, I could certainly have gone further.
I suspect the reason was because I was only looking beyond the stop sign. The sign was set close to the windscreen, did not obscure my vision, and I’d become accustomed to seeing it (like one becomes accustomed to a mirror or a satnav screen). And because it’s an unusual thing used only by a tiny minority of sites (IME), I wasn’t specifically looking for it.
The even bigger irony for that particular site, is that the stop signs were completely unnecessary, especially in combination with taking the keys (the return of which I took as the starting shot, as it is for most other sites).
I think the most important thing for this industry is to start standardising on site procedures.
Having a site employee place a big piece of red cardboard in the window, and/or applying the trailer parking brake, would be as effective (and quicker and cheaper) in dealing with absent-mindedness as a metal stop sign or any of the other multitude of tricks used by various sites.
For those sites that use traffic lights on bays, having the lights repeat on both sides (so that there is no ambiguity as to which bay the light relates), and having an amber phase which requires the driver to get out to collect his keys from a box (or just to press an acknowledgement button), would solve the problem of drivers waking up and driving off when they see a green on the wrong side.
Most of these changes would be simple and cheap in the extreme.
To be honest, I can cope (reluctantly) with not being allowed to sit in my cab if decent facilities have been put in place, IE. Ample comfortable seats, free or cheap tea/coffee/water, bit of telly on the go etc. I don’t mind the Tesco waiting rooms for that, I have books to keep me entertained.
It’s the drab, dirty cages/box rooms with plastic school chairs & nothing but a dirty wall for a view type jobs I can’t tolerate. It’s just common decency to give somebody who’s going to be sat for hours after driving for miles to deliver your gear, somewhere comfortable to sit.
Santa:
I have seen the drivers who “stand up to the ■■■■■■■■” get banned off the site. Good luck to them as they will eventually make themselves unemployable.
This would not (and didn’t) make me act any different, I have an intense dislike of being forced to do ridiculous things, so I don’t put myself in a situation where I have to. It’s my choice whether I become a good little robot or remain in charge of my life and I choose the latter, so I wouldn’t work at a job where I had to endure all that crap.
There are jobs that don’t require you to wait in cages and dress up like an astronaut, this is the area of the industry where I would ply my trade, I go to work to earn a living, not to be treated like an infant.
I have been banned from a few places too, as not everybody agrees with my lack of respect for “authority” and that suits me just fine, I have even purposely instigated getting banned from a few places, especially those that take forever to get loaded or unloaded as the time I wasted meant I couldn’t do much more than that job in a day (I was an owner driver when I was still in the UK)
Now you have to take into account that I have been out of the UK for the past 8yrs, so I haven’t had all these restrictions put on me gradually, things appear to have changed dramatically and when I read about these rules I am reading from a pre H&S indoctrinated perspective.
Take the Coca Cola references as an example, I used to have a few lorries doing that work, we used to wear shorts and trainers, jump up on the trailer or even get a lift up from the forkie to move straps etc, at some places, Sainsburys at Basingstoke for example, you could tip yourself with an electric pump truck, I often did as it was much quicker that way, now you have to jump through a million hoops to do the same job and that is madness.
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All this is the reason i went back to tippers, once you have been inducted (usually just a read this and sign at the bottom drive) you’re in and tipped and gone. So what if so called real drivers look down on me I don’t have to sit in a dirty drivers room on a plastic school chair listening to the latest made up rules from the know it all that every RDC seems to have. Ok so I have to wear a hard hat, safety glasses, long sleeve hi viz, hi viz trousers and safety boots, but i’m only on site for about ten minutes I can live with that.
bald bloke:
Harry Monk:
They can’t stand the thought that you might have a nice snooze on the bunk while they’re working.Yeah that’s why they ram into all 26 pallets at full speed to try and knock you off the bed.
I never understood why they take your keys (because of “Drive off risk”) and then ban you from accessing your cab ANYWAY. I’ve even offered to put my trailer brake on, pull off my red airline, along with handing in my keys because I want to get a kip in the estimated 3-4 hours it’s going to take me to get tipped. But they jobsworths were having none of it.
I was ordered to surrender my keys, and go to the “cooler” a tiny waiting room full of sweaty drivers and the odd dusty skeleton, with a vending machine that dispensed something alleged to be “Coffee” but look and smelt like sump oil.
So… Having sneakily left my cab door open before surrendering my keys, I sneaked back into my cab, got on the bunk, draped the curtains…
But then jobsworth appears from nowhere again - and tells me “If you try that again - We’ll ban you from site, and your client firm as well - so the agency will sack you on the spot”.
I implored him to ban me - just me - from this site so I never had to look at his sour face or deal with such a chickens hit outfit again. 
