Why are some sites adamant that staying in the cab while on a bay is a major h+s issue? Had a drop at St Albans earlier today, parked on a bay, wheels chocked, took paperwork and keys to goods in and was told that I could not return to the cab, but instead had to wait in their designated ‘safe area’ (which was coincidently a charging canteen).
Surely it’s safer to stay in the cab until the green light shows, rather than walking across a busy yard from the canteen every 15 mins to see if you’ve been tipped (at least some places have screens in said canteens that let your know if youve been done)
Funny how it only seems to be the depots with canteens and other money making outlets that have an issue with drivers waiting in their cabs
For all their health and safety - it’s amazing how quick some places are to ban you from your cab outright during a long-winded process to get tipped - but then make mistakes like “not closing the door” which you have no access to, or “sealing the door” before you’ve witnessed it - with loose cages rolling around on the back.
H&S rules should not contradict each other from site to site. There should be some kind of common policy that applies to all yards across all separate transport firms.
clarky3013:
Why are some sites adamant that staying in the cab while on a bay is a major h+s issue?
Because sometimes a driver will pull off the bay when the light is still showing red, but to be fair in your case if there is a wheel lock then that should mean you can stay with your vehicle, our lot are kind we trust drivers not to do anything silly !!
I wouldn’t mind so much but, where we’re asked to wait (sometimes for hours on end) are usually uncomfortable at best and downright doss holes at worst.
Most RDCs don’t trust us with the keys. There have been drive off’s and people have been injured because of it so I can see what they’re trying to achieve. One possible solution to keep us in our cabs is to lock off the red line with a key system. I’ll admit it’s fiddly and messy having to put the thing on and it doesn’t apply to rigid vehicles but, other than expensive wheel lock systems I don’t know what to suggest.
Costco crick have the best system, you hand ur paperwork in at the gatehouse they give you a pager type thing with ur bay number on it, you go to the bay and reverse onto it, you wait in the cab and the pager goes red and a trailer wheel lock rises up from the bay then when u are tipped the pager turns green and vibrates, you go back to the gatehouse hand your pager in and they hand back your paperwork.
Why? I’ll tell you why, because nobody had the balls to stand up for themselves and tell them ■■■■■■■■, that’s why!
Now I have no problem adhering to any site rule that makes sense, in fact my common sense dictates that it doesn’t need to be a rule in the first place, as my self preservation instincts would prevent me from injury.
With dedicated walkways from cab to waiting/booking in area I cannot see any reason for the need for safety footwear and have argued this point many times. What exactly do I need to protect my feet from on a dedicated walking path? Why are my feet the only part of me that needs protection? Nobody has ever been able to come up with a plausible answer to those questions so far.
Things like being out of the cab do make sense, so does hiviz clothing in yards, safety shoes and hard hats when there is a danger of loose objects falling on you. Of course the companies could make sure they do everything in their power to protect everyone on their site from potential injury, they could invest in wheel locks, but they are going to get battered and stop working, so it’s cheaper to provide a few plastic chairs and keep drivers out of their cabs and prevent premature pull offs that way.
The rest of it though, that’s just a load of ■■■■■■■■, if you’re out of the cab you do not need to drop trailers, place signs in front of the lorry, remove airlines, ■■■■ around pushing buttons and hanging tags up or any of the other multitude of things required once you’ve backed onto the dock.
So in summary, most health and safety rules exist because the person employed as a health and safety bid has to keep inventing new rules otherwise they will be redundant and because nobody has had the balls to stand up and say no, they keep on coming out with ever more restrictive practices as we turn into good little human robots without the power to think for ourselves.
What I don’t like is places where you have to wait in your cab, but you have to hand your keys in. In that time when I’m walking to the the office anyone can jump in my cab and steal my stuff.
Would never hand my keys to anyone no matter what ‘rules’ they have in place and ive said on many occasions its my truck and if i want to sit in the cab i will. Never had a problem being tipped although on occasion ive had to reassemble the tilt, no big deal though…
I will not wait in divers waiting rooms as I dislike humans, so I quietly tell them I am HIV positive and that I am not really supposed to be with other people, so far this has worked 100%…No one has yet called me out on it.
I have also developed tourette`s syndrome in other places where you have to wait in a drivers refuge outside in the cold, just shouting at people and calling them ■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■ has seen me ushered back into my cab pretty quickly.
Places that really get on my chuff, I am banned from, I make sure this happens, as people are so predictable, especially those brainwashed by the corps. they slave for
I can accept why most places nowadays ask for keys, I saw a pullaway last year and although no one was hurt, it could have quite easily been a lot worse
But if your keys are handed in then I can’t understand what they could possibly expect to go wrong, if anything your more likely to get injured slipping on a spilt brew in a canteen than you are sat in your cab
I have to admit I’m am getting more than a little peeved with all the unnecessary health and safety rules and regs. I loaded at John smiths at Tadcaster the other day, backed on to the bay put chocks under the wheels put the trailer brake on handed in the keys and then had to go and sit on stupid little bench outside. I then went to Freightliner Leeds and got a warning for answering the cab phone while being booked in.
knight2:
I have to admit I’m am getting more than a little peeved with all the unnecessary health and safety rules and regs. I loaded at John smiths at Tadcaster the other day, backed on to the bay put chocks under the wheels put the trailer brake on handed in the keys and then had to go and sit on stupid little bench outside. I then went to Freightliner Leeds and got a warning for answering the cab phone while being booked in.
Coke at J41 Wakefield is great, electric wheel chocks on the bays, they don’t take your keys but the forklift driver puts a giant metal stop sign right in front of your unit
There’s an Argos place down near Derby, ■■■■■■■ crazy that place. Had me put a lock on my emergency airline. Have to hand in that key, and my keys but allowed to sit in the cab.
tommymanc:
There’s an Argos place down near Derby, [zb] crazy that place. Had me put a lock on my emergency airline. Have to hand in that key, and my keys but allowed to sit in the cab.
Yeah I had a drop at Argos Glasgow the other week, they made me put that sleeve thing over the air connection too
clarky3013:
Coke at J41 Wakefield is great, electric wheel chocks on the bays, they don’t take your keys but the forklift driver puts a giant metal stop sign right in front of your unit
I load at all of the Coca Cola depots, and while I’ve never come across the electric wheel chocks, they all use the metal stop signs, which works perfectly.
