Spineless drivers

Janos:
By Mike Wackett
06.10.2015 · Posted in Land, Loadstar posts, Supply chain FavoriteAdd to favorites
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A survey of leading UK companies on behalf of the Chartered Institute of Logistics and Transport (CILT) has highlighted the crisis faced in the supply chain from a worsening heavy goods vehicle (HGV) driver shortage.

Over 100 companies were surveyed to support the CILT’s Driver Shortage Crisis publication, including retailer Marks & Spencer, Premier Foods and haulage group Norbert Dentressangle.

The results will serve as an alarming wake-up call for the UK’s transport industry and confirmed earlier fears expressed of a “ticking time bomb” of driver shortages and also that the shortage has now reached crisis point in many regions of the UK.

Indeed, 74% of respondents stated that their organisations were experiencing a driver shortage and 61% said they were obliged to rely on agency drivers to cover their regular workload commitments.

The problems stem firstly from the high cost of entry in terms of licence acquisition and thereafter from a new EU directive requiring drivers to obtain a Certificate of Professional Competence (CPC).

Maintaining a CPC involves 35 hours of training every five years and has been described many times to The Loadstar by HGV drivers as the “final straw” in their decision, already under consideration due to the long and unsociable hours and poor wages, to walk away from the industry. These factors have also seen younger workers shun the job as a career.

As a consequence, the average age of UK HGV drivers has climbed to 47, with a severe shortage of younger people coming through to replace them when they either hand in their keys in favour of a less stressful job, or retire.

Of those companies surveyed, 80% accepted that it was their responsibility to find solutions to the issues, but 89% complained that the UK government was not doing enough to highlight and deal with the current driver shortage crisis.

As a proactive response to the survey, CILT said it would host a series of nationwide round-table discussions, at which senior industry figures could share best practice and brainstorm ideas to combat the issues.

Container haulage shortages are yet another challenge for the UK’s supply chain already burdened by the erratic scheduling of ocean carriers and pinch points at container terminals caused by the bunching of bigger ships with considerably higher box exchanges.

Furthermore, the sub-economic freight rates that many liner operators are now are obliged to work with – the consequence of a bloody rate war raging in Asia – leaves little scope for the carriers to concede any haulage rate increases that would assist companies to raise the remuneration of drivers.

Indeed, one Felixstowe-based carrier bizarrely told its customers in an advisory that the reason for a lack of prompt haulage was that they (the shippers) had “squeezed us to reduce costs and we have squeezed our suppliers, of which transport companies are one”.

Ashortage of truck drivers is a problem that the UK has in common with several European nations and has also become a serious issue in the US, for similar reasons of low pay and industry standing with fewer young people are interested in getting into the profession.

Indeed, according to the American Trucking Association (ATA) there is currently a shortage of 30,000 truck drivers across the nation. From the ATA’s own findings, 90% of hauliers cannot find enough drivers for their needs.

The ‘mythical’ driver shortage.? 74% of surveyed companies say they are short of drivers. The so-called ‘spineless’ drivers have sent their message loud and clear.

yes we have sent a message out loud and clear, the down side is our actions might benefit drivers who didnt send out a message loud and clear

You’ll never win,they’ve got the cards stacked in there favour ,I’ve been the most awkward so n so of late ,I’m not doing this ,that or anything ,I thought I’d got the upper hand ,but
Then today ,start 9 am ,do first run ,get back 2 p.m ( early finish last shift :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: ) ,made me sit there for 5 hrs waiting for a 2 nd run whilst everyone else who walked through the door got one :frowning: :frowning: ,I eventually got back from second run at midnight :frowning: :frowning: ,my mate was in the pub at 7 p.m :frowning: :frowning: .
Instead of saying no ,I might bring in a bag of sugar ringed donuts for the t.o and a cigar for the boss

Janos:
Maintaining a CPC involves 35 hours of training every five years and has been described many times to The Loadstar by HGV drivers as the “final straw” in their decision, ALREADY UNDER CONSIDERATION due to the long and unsociable hours and poor wages, to walk away from the industry.

hand in their keys in favour of a less stressful job, or retire.
.

Does that ring any bells desypete? I keep asking you this, and you keep ignoring my question.
Is that the real version of events, and not the ‘One man crusade’ of committing career suicide purely for your ‘honourable principles’ as you keep trying to put across to us?
And also you keep making a joke about your latest career move rather than disclose it, why is that ? it’s either something totally crap, or something that does not fit in with the ’ John Wayne take no ■■■■ type of image you are trying to put across to everyone on here.

The thing is Pete, I do agree with a lot of what you say, and some of it does make a lot of sense, the problem is it becomes difficult to take some of your posts seriously when you start chucking names about like ‘moron’ etc to guys that use sat navs for instance :open_mouth: or worse …those that are only guilty of reluctantly conforming with another bloody stupid rule just to keep their jobs. These guys do not come under the ‘Spineless’ group more the ‘Realist’ group, better men than us drivers have tried and failed to take on the EU.
Taking on an over regulated established fireproof organization such as the EU, is a whole different ball game to the subject of the thread. ie. drivers standing up to unfair and unreasonable treatment dished out by their companies. :bulb:
I don’t suppose you will react to this latest post I have aimed at you, or in fact answer any of the other questions from other guys that you keep side stepping, or is it because we are all morons.

Themoocher:

eezeer:

Themoocher:
I just had a look at the URTU web site.

Says it all when you can read it in English or Polish.

URTU lost the plot a long time ago

I had a look at the PDU aswell.
Think I would rather throw the £30 out my cab window going down the A14 on a Friday that give it to them! No offence.

Correct me if I’m wrong, …, but were you not the guy that came on here moaning about getting unfairly dismissed on Christmas eve for refusing to work over your hours? Maybe if you had spent that £30 on a union at that time they more than likely would have at the least gave you free legal advice, or at the best fought an unfair dismissal case for you in court. :bulb:
Did the co. give the job to a foreign driver by any chance?
That would probably explain all the unsubstantiated remarks and opinions about the foreign drivers that you claim to know all about.

Can somebody highlight the ‘sacking Xmas eve’ thread as I ain’t technically inclined or clever enough :smiley: :blush:

desypete:

Dipper_Dave:
So desypete as the only driver in history to fail the dCPC what escape route have you chosen.

Course by fail I mean to reject it as the last straw etc when you have done nothing but whinge about its uselessness when in reality you are the a-typical cut ones nose off to spite their face specimen of humanity I have ever come across.
Plus the added venom of giving it the bigun on a job you are no longer qualified for.

All water off a ducks back of course… :unamused:

but of course its all water off a ducks back

Hmmm seems my obnoxious attempt to find out what career path you have chosen didnt work. Ill try another way.

Pardon me for asking but what job are you doing now after rejecting the dCPC and would you consider returning to this profession at any point.

windrush:
A serious question now as, living here in rural Derbyshire, a ‘Foreigner’ to us is somebody from Yorkshire. :wink: The Continental trucks that I see about on the M1 etc, are some of them transporting internal British freight (ie Brum to Leeds etc) while they are here or are they all just bringing goods in and taking beer etc back across the water? No way of knowing I guess but I wondered if some are actually undercutting British hauliers doing ‘local work’ while they are over here and perhaps waiting for a load back home? I did chat to a Dutch O/D a couple of years ago one Sunday at Toddington services and he was here for a few days before his return load was ready so a lot of time to be hanging around with no earnings.

On the original question, luckily I never had a real issue with any of my employers (not with driving jobs anyway) but if I had done then I would have made my feelings known. However I doubt that I would have jacked the job in as most of the alternative companies doing similar work were not any better really and I could even have been worse off.

Pete.

Yes the ports are full off foreign drivers picking up trailers at the ports.

I’ve worked out who Desypete is, and what job he does. I’ve just consulted my mate at Clouseau investigations.

Clue 1. Talk’s ■■■■■■■■.

Clue 2. Evades answers.

Clue 3. Answers a question with a question.

Clue 4. Always miserable.

For ffs, stop messing about on my computer Dad.

robroy:

Themoocher:

eezeer:

Themoocher:
I just had a look at the URTU web site.

Says it all when you can read it in English or Polish.

URTU lost the plot a long time ago

I had a look at the PDU aswell.
Think I would rather throw the £30 out my cab window going down the A14 on a Friday that give it to them! No offence.

Correct me if I’m wrong, …, but were you not the guy that came on here moaning about getting unfairly dismissed on Christmas eve for refusing to work over your hours? Maybe if you had spent that £30 on a union at that time they more than likely would have at the least gave you free legal advice, or at the best fought an unfair dismissal case for you in court. :bulb:
Did the co. give the job to a foreign driver by any chance?
That would probably explain all the unsubstantiated remarks and opinions about the foreign drivers that you claim to know all about.

Can somebody highlight the ‘sacking Xmas eve’ thread as I ain’t technically inclined or clever enough :smiley: :blush:

I had a job the next day.
Walked out job on xmas eve and had job to start on 3rd jan.
If you can’t get a job at the minute there is something wrong.

If you read thread I never mentioned un fair dismissal or lawyers or court.

It was my first job in haulage and wanted to know other peoples opinions.

Your all wasting your time trying to get desypete to answer what hes doing now after his one man stance against the cpc. Ive asked him directly twice and hes avoided it by answering with insults. Ive also asked him a few times why,when he obviously hates the hgv industry and anyone who works in the industry,he is always on this forum posting all his BS. More question ducking there as well
Although im thankful that others have started questioning him too. I was beginning to think it was just me getting fed up with his guff!

Themoocher:
I had a job the next day.
Walked out job on xmas eve and had job to start on 3rd jan.
If you can’t get a job at the minute there is something wrong.

.

You got a job the next day?
That’s amazing I thought all the foreigners were taking the jobs?

The-Snowman:
Your all wasting your time trying to get desypete to answer what hes doing now after his one man stance against the cpc. Ive asked him directly twice and hes avoided it by answering with insults. Ive also asked him a few times why,when he obviously hates the hgv industry and anyone who works in the industry,he is always on this forum posting all his BS. More question ducking there as well
Although im thankful that others have started questioning him too. I was beginning to think it was just me getting fed up with his guff!

On the other hand to be fair, if you remove all the bitterness, insults, his more bizzare opinions of certain drivers, and his self perception of being some kind of lone Transport revolutionary …a lot of what he says is unarguably right, it’s just that he does not do himself any favours or make himself popular by his continuous repetitive and derisory rants. :bulb:

btw. It wasn’t, him that ■■■■■■ in my slippers either :laughing:

Is this foreign drivers working for less money just a myth, all the ones I know be it Polish, Romanian, Bulgarian, Welsh are all on the same rate of pay as me.
In fact they toss the job off just like the rest of us.

robroy:
On the other hand to be fair, if you remove all the bitterness, insults, his more bizzare opinions of certain drivers, and his self perception of being some kind of lone Transport revolutionary …a lot of what he says is unarguably right, it’s just that he does not do himself any favours or make himself popular by his continuous repetitive and derisory rants. :bulb:

Well when I was reading a lot of his stuff yesterday I was thinking I agree with a lot of what he was saying. Its the insults and rants akin to an old man waving his stick shouting “you young uns” that rips my knitting

robroy:
btw. It wasn’t, him that ■■■■■■ in my slippers either :laughing:

Lol :laughing:

Themoocher:

windrush:
A serious question now as, living here in rural Derbyshire, a ‘Foreigner’ to us is somebody from Yorkshire. :wink: The Continental trucks that I see about on the M1 etc, are some of them transporting internal British freight (ie Brum to Leeds etc) while they are here or are they all just bringing goods in and taking beer etc back across the water? No way of knowing I guess but I wondered if some are actually undercutting British hauliers doing ‘local work’ while they are over here and perhaps waiting for a load back home? I did chat to a Dutch O/D a couple of years ago one Sunday at Toddington services and he was here for a few days before his return load was ready so a lot of time to be hanging around with no earnings.

On the original question, luckily I never had a real issue with any of my employers (not with driving jobs anyway) but if I had done then I would have made my feelings known. However I doubt that I would have jacked the job in as most of the alternative companies doing similar work were not any better really and I could even have been worse off.

Pete.

Yes the ports are full off foreign drivers picking up trailers at the ports.

And wtf is so wrong with that? It just saves them shipping out ‘accompanied’ to change trailers abroad, it’s common sense, it’s much easier, and cheaper to send a trailer over to a waiting driver.
I done it for years while working for the Dutch and Belgians, driving LHD Foreign regd trucks… and incidentally at the same time getting all the type of anti foreign crap and bull ■■■■ that you appear to subscribe to. That is until they realized I was Brit, then you got the old ‘‘Sorry mate’ I thought you were a foreigner’’ …and they were arrogant and stupid enough to act as if that excused it :open_mouth: :unamused: knob heads the lot of em.

dont fool yourselves with Unions, i had a previous case involving the main players for unison and their own legal teams all telling me i was wrong to carry on my action against a past employer, i ignored that advise and went on my own, I won my case hands down… end of the day unions will only take action ect if there is something in it for them…

robroy:

Themoocher:
Yes the ports are full off foreign drivers picking up trailers at the ports.

And wtf is so wrong with that? It just saves them shipping out ‘accompanied’ to change trailers abroad, it’s common sense, it’s much easier, and cheaper to send a trailer over to a waiting driver.
I done it for years while working for the Dutch and Belgians, driving LHD Foreign regd trucks… and incidentally at the same time getting all the type of anti foreign crap and bull [zb] that you appear to subscribe to. That is until they realized I was Brit, then you got the old ‘‘Sorry mate’ I thought you were a foreigner’’ …and they were arrogant and stupid enough to act as if that excused it :open_mouth: :unamused: knob heads the lot of em.

Steady on guys! :laughing: What I was really asking (and I realise it is off topic) was if any Continental hauliers actually found work while they were here in the UK, ie phoned ahead, or even while they were here, to find ‘internal’ loads to fill the time in before heading back home with their booked return load. It would make sense to do so if they had a few days to kill, but would obviously take that load away from a UK haulier. I was just wondering if that actually happened, I didn’t want to start an argument! :wink:

Years ago I worked for a small haulier based at a local dyeing works and roughly each week they had trucks arrive from Greece and Italy etc either delivering or collecting material. Usually they were three axle rigids with drawbar trailers and they were brilliant at reversing them down the narrow lane to the works. Sometimes the drivers would produce an old battered map like the fuel companies gave away in the sixties and ask me to mark all their next drops/pickups for them as often they just had the company name and the County! :open_mouth: Grand lads all of them.

Pete.

robroy:

Themoocher:

windrush:
A serious question now as, living here in rural Derbyshire, a ‘Foreigner’ to us is somebody from Yorkshire. :wink: The Continental trucks that I see about on the M1 etc, are some of them transporting internal British freight (ie Brum to Leeds etc) while they are here or are they all just bringing goods in and taking beer etc back across the water? No way of knowing I guess but I wondered if some are actually undercutting British hauliers doing ‘local work’ while they are over here and perhaps waiting for a load back home? I did chat to a Dutch O/D a couple of years ago one Sunday at Toddington services and he was here for a few days before his return load was ready so a lot of time to be hanging around with no earnings.

On the original question, luckily I never had a real issue with any of my employers (not with driving jobs anyway) but if I had done then I would have made my feelings known. However I doubt that I would have jacked the job in as most of the alternative companies doing similar work were not any better really and I could even have been worse off.

Pete.

Yes the ports are full off foreign drivers picking up trailers at the ports.

And wtf is so wrong with that? It just saves them shipping out ‘accompanied’ to change trailers abroad, it’s common sense, it’s much easier, and cheaper to send a trailer over to a waiting driver.
I done it for years while working for the Dutch and Belgians, driving LHD Foreign regd trucks… and incidentally at the same time getting all the type of anti foreign crap and bull [zb] that you appear to subscribe to. That is until they realized I was Brit, then you got the old ‘‘Sorry mate’ I thought you were a foreigner’’ …and they were arrogant and stupid enough to act as if that excused it :open_mouth: :unamused: knob heads the lot of em.

Listen pal if you read my posts I couldn’t care less how many foreign trucks or drivers are in the uk.
I’m happy with what I earn for what I do when I compare my job to what other tradesman do.
It’s the whole country that’s ■■■■■■ not just the haulage industry and if you can’t see that you must live in a village with 5 houses and not venture very far.
Nothing going change as the country is full of cheap labour waiting to take the jobs lazy Brits are to good for.

Themoocher:

robroy:

Themoocher:
Yes the ports are full off foreign drivers picking up trailers at the ports.

And wtf is so wrong with that? It just saves them shipping out ‘accompanied’ to change trailers abroad, it’s common sense, it’s much easier, and cheaper to send a trailer over to a waiting driver.
I done it for years while working for the Dutch and Belgians, driving LHD Foreign regd trucks… and incidentally at the same time getting all the type of anti foreign crap and bull [zb] that you appear to subscribe to. That is until they realized I was Brit, then you got the old ‘‘Sorry mate’ I thought you were a foreigner’’ …and they were arrogant and stupid enough to act as if that excused it :open_mouth: :unamused: knob heads the lot of em.

Listen pal if you read my posts I couldn’t care less how many foreign trucks or drivers are in the uk.
I’m happy with what I earn for what I do when I compare my job to what other tradesman do.
It’s the whole country that’s [zb] not just the haulage industry and if you can’t see that you must live in a village with 5 houses and not venture very far.
Nothing going change as the country is full of cheap labour waiting to take the jobs lazy Brits are to good for.

Well…Pal :unamused: , …for somebody that does not care about foreign trucks, drivers and foreigners in general, you seem to have a lot to say on a lot of posts about them. :bulb:

If it’s a ■■■■■■■ contest you want, well I reckon you will find I have ventured much further than you, … seeing as I have been in the job longer than a whole 5 minutes, and in doing so form my own opinions on things in transport, rather than listen to and repeat opinions and general crap that is popular (but not necessarily accurate) with the sort of drivers that bore the arse off you in RDC.s, cafes, ferries and pubs etc etc., of whom I tend to avoid.

robroy:

Themoocher:

robroy:

Themoocher:
Yes the ports are full off foreign drivers picking up trailers at the ports.

And wtf is so wrong with that? It just saves them shipping out ‘accompanied’ to change trailers abroad, it’s common sense, it’s much easier, and cheaper to send a trailer over to a waiting driver.
I done it for years while working for the Dutch and Belgians, driving LHD Foreign regd trucks… and incidentally at the same time getting all the type of anti foreign crap and bull [zb] that you appear to subscribe to. That is until they realized I was Brit, then you got the old ‘‘Sorry mate’ I thought you were a foreigner’’ …and they were arrogant and stupid enough to act as if that excused it :open_mouth: :unamused: knob heads the lot of em.

Listen pal if you read my posts I couldn’t care less how many foreign trucks or drivers are in the uk.
I’m happy with what I earn for what I do when I compare my job to what other tradesman do.
It’s the whole country that’s [zb] not just the haulage industry and if you can’t see that you must live in a village with 5 houses and not venture very far.
Nothing going change as the country is full of cheap labour waiting to take the jobs lazy Brits are to good for.

Well…Pal :unamused: , …for somebody that does not care about foreign trucks, drivers and foreigners in general, you seem to have a lot to say on a lot of posts about them. :bulb:

If it’s a ■■■■■■■ contest you want, well I reckon you will find I have ventured much further than you, … seeing as I have been in the job longer than a whole 5 minutes, and in doing so form my own opinions on things in transport, rather than listen to and repeat opinions and general crap that is popular (but not necessarily accurate) with the sort of drivers that bore the arse off you in RDC.s, cafes, ferries and pubs etc etc., of whom I tend to avoid.

That’s good if you want a ■■■■■■■ comp.
I very rarely venture to RDCs, never in truck stops, on ferries and don’t drink so if your saying I’m a moaner in the haunts then you are very mistaking.

I just open my eyes and state the obvious it’s nothing todo with haulage it’s the country is swamped with cheap labour costs of living are rising and pay has stayed the same for 15-20 years.

Every yard I go to makes the same comments when I go to the office.
Very rare we get English drivers now as most are foreigners.
Every yard has signs in I don’t know how many languages even the unions web has option for polish.
You trying to tell me this is because there is the odd foreign truck or driver is ■■■■■■■■.

The reason I don’t moan about wages is I earn a lot more now sitting on my arse driving a truck than I did sitting in a desert for 7 months in afgan or freezing my baws off in the arctic.

Ah cue the anti armed forces driving squad, they’ll be along any minute.
Couple of points:
Pay hasnt stayed the same for 15-20 years, whoever gave you that one is lying.
Not all yards have signs in foreign languages, if they do its to tell those delivering how to go on in the yard as a help. We are part of the EU and as such have deliveries from the EU & beyond. A better indicator is if the signs inside the warehouses/toilets are in different languages.
I said earlier I hadn’t come across a foreign driver driving a UK plated truck & I haven’t. That’s not bollox my friend, it’s fact. Not been anywhere that has them, not that it would bother me if they did. I live & work in the north east, Newcastle to be exact, & the furthest I venture in my current job is between Manchester area & Stirling in Scotland.