aranger:
Theres only one reason they sit there at 2.30 in the morning, 4 lanes of empty motorway.
And that reason is to catch those who choose to break the law
Glad your happy thats how your public servants are choosing to spend your cash, next time your house is robbed at 2.30 in the morning you`ll be delighted they are doing drivers for speeding up 100 yards before a sign. lol
Logic - if drivers chose not to break the law then the police would go and do something else such as looking for burglars so in effect it is the drivers who are preventing those funds being used in the way you would like
Alternate logic, if a driver speeds and nobody knows and nobody is hurt, did he really speed ■■
I thought our laws state something about being guilty beyond reasonable doubt?
By sending you two notices stating different speeds they are infact causing doubt.
I would fight this all the way.
Cheggy:
I thought our laws state something about being guilty beyond reasonable doubt?
By sending you two notices stating different speeds they are infact causing doubt.
I would fight this all the way.
ROG:
Thats criminal law and speeding is not under that
Oh yes it is!
It is indeed a criminal offence. As regards the errors though, as they’re on the notice they can be corrected before court so won’t be of help in fighting the case.
aranger:
According to pepipoo 65 is 3 points fine between £35-£135 due to being self employed and using profits as my weekly wage, cheers looks like its worthwhile making them take me to court and chancing my luck. 68 is a different ball game though.
be very wary of pepishite. following their advice regarding a speeding ticket i got a few years ago landed me with a summons for attempting to pevert the course of justice
When you say a summons, do you mean you were actually tried and convicted? If so, what did you do?
Otherwise, perhaps you were just out-maneouvered by the police, and the PCJ summons had the effect of making you admit the speeding offence.
a very well written letter (not written by me!) got them to issue a FPN for the speeding, 3 points and £60 fine. considering what they had clocked me at, i couldn’t write the cheque fast enuf
ROG:
Thats criminal law and speeding is not under that
Oh yes it is!
It is indeed a criminal offence. As regards the errors though, as they’re on the notice they can be corrected before court so won’t be of help in fighting the case.
If it is criminal then how come it will not appear on a CRB ?
ROG:
Thats criminal law and speeding is not under that
Oh yes it is!
It is indeed a criminal offence. As regards the errors though, as they’re on the notice they can be corrected before court so won’t be of help in fighting the case.
If it is criminal then how come it will not appear on a CRB ?
It’s a criminal offence but isn’t listed on a criminal record (I think).
ROG:
If it is criminal then how come it will not appear on a CRB ?
Because CRB checks only show convictions for “recordable” crimes - i.e. Those offences for which you can be sent to prison (and a few more that are specifically included, even though you can’t be sent to prison, such as drunkenness, failing to provide a breath specimen, some prostitution offences).
ROG:
If it is criminal then how come it will not appear on a CRB ?
Because CRB checks only show convictions for “recordable” crimes - i.e. Those offences for which you can be sent to prison (and a few more that are specifically included, even though you can’t be sent to prison, such as drunkenness, failing to provide a breath specimen, some prostitution offences).
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Take this from an ex cop: It’s an endorsable motoring offence dealt with in a criminal court (If needed) as the only alternative is civil court where companies sue each other and FAI’s are held.
It doesn’t show on a check because it’s a motoring offence and not a criminal offence!
If you have a criminal record no matter if it’s stealing sweeties from a shop or murder, it goes on the CRB.
Take this from an ex cop: It’s an endorsable motoring offence dealt with in a criminal court (If needed) as the only alternative is civil court where companies sue each other and FAI’s are held.
It doesn’t show on a check because it’s a motoring offence and not a criminal offence!
If you have a criminal record no matter if it’s stealing sweeties from a shop or murder, it goes on the CRB.
Rubbish. There are several “motoring offences” that are shown on a CRB check. e.g. drink/driving, dangerous driving, death by careless driving). The reason speeding etc are not shown on a CRB check is exactly as I stated - i.e. because CBR checks only show offences for which you can be sent to prison (plus a few extra ones that have been specifically included - as I stated). Speeding is a criminal offence, dealt with in a criminal court. Take this from an ex cop
mrpj:
As regards the errors though, as they’re on the notice they can be corrected before court so won’t be of help in fighting the case.
Yep, there’s what’s known as the ‘slip rule’ whereby minor typing errors are dismissed. If they get completely the wrong name/car/reg number, then yes fight it, because that’s a winner. But minor typo’s won’t be an advantage to ya.
My understanding was, anything that was dealt with at court goes on your CRB.
For example, 40mph in a 30 limit wouldn’t because the fixed penalty is not dealt with at court. But 70mph in a 30 limit would. It’s the same offence, speeding, nothing more, but this time it’s dealt with by the court, no fixed penalty available.
Conditional Offer Fixed Penalty for speeding/traffic offences, is made as an alternative to going to court. However, if you should go to court with it, it’ll be recorded on your CRB.
I can count for this first hand. I got 3 points and £60 fine for a speeding offence, I paid the dough and took the points, it’s not on my CRB. I also got caught speeding, but took it to court and argued it. Found guilty at Mags. Appealed it to crown court, found not guilty (on a technicality). I never paid a penalty or got any points, but it shows on my CRB.
stagedriver:
I guess I’ve prosecuted a large number of people and turned them into criminals for any endorsable event.
I thought you worked for the police, not the CPS ?
cieranc:
My understanding was, anything that was dealt with at court goes on your CRB. For example, 40mph in a 30 limit wouldn’t because the fixed penalty is not dealt with at court. But 70mph in a 30 limit would. It’s the same offence, speeding, nothing more, but this time it’s dealt with by the court, no fixed penalty available.
Conditional Offer Fixed Penalty for speeding/traffic offences, is made as an alternative to going to court. However, if you should go to court with it, it’ll be recorded on your CRB.
I can count for this first hand. I got 3 points and £60 fine for a speeding offence, I paid the dough and took the points, it’s not on my CRB. I also got caught speeding, but took it to court and argued it. Found guilty at Mags. Appealed it to crown court, found not guilty (on a technicality). I never paid a penalty or got any points, but it shows on my CRB.
stagedriver:
I guess I’ve prosecuted a large number of people and turned them into criminals for any endorsable event.
I thought you worked for the police, not the CPS ?
I think you’re wrong, because I got took to court for 69 in a 30 zone (or something like that) on my motorbike MANY years ago.
After that, I went from busses to coaches, had to have CRB check, clear.
After that I went airside and had to have an enhanced CRB check, clear.
CRB disclosure reports include many disposals (not just convictions) that have never been anywhere near a court. e.g. if you have accepted a police caution for a recordable crime (there’s that term again) it goes on the PNC and will show up as such on a CRB check. Similarly if you are dealt with for a recordable crime by means on a Penalty Notice for Disorder (e.g. for Criminal Damage or Shoplifting) this will also show up on a CRB check.
But as I keep saying, CRB checks only show “recordable crimes”, and these are criminal offences for which an adult offender can be sent to prison, plus a list of other non-imprisonable offences prescribed in The National Police Records (Recordable Offences) Regulations 2000. Speeding is not an offence for which you can be sent to prison, so it matters not how it is dealt with (i.e. by fixed penalty ticket or in court), it won’t appear on a CRB check because it is not a “recordable” crime. The Police National Computer only has disposals for “recordable” offences in its records, and guess where the information shown on CRB checks comes from…
Now back to the original assertion - speeding is a criminal offence, which is why a prosecution is dealt with in a criminal court. Stagedriver’s old man can dispute that all he likes, 30 years service or not, but that’s the way it is in England and Wales - North of the border it might be different, of course…
you was a minimum of15 mph over the speed limit, and you whine.
Supposed to be a professional driver that licence is your job, like me an all other drivers on here we deserve the points and fine if we speed knowing full well the licence is our job … Personally I think you should of got a ban for doing 68 in a 50 zone 15-18 is excessive regardless of what time of night it is … the police are rightly doing there job … go to court could go against you you are fighting a typing error. in your favour by 3mph.
if ti was wrong colour make reg as said yes fight it as they then have to prove beyond reasonable doubt, have you asked to see the calibration certificate of the device used as if it is not calibrate within a set time of the offence it could be dismissable in court etc … but the have you by the short and curlies.
discoman:
you was a minimum of15 mph over the speed limit, and you whine.
Supposed to be a professional driver that licence is your job, like me an all other drivers on here we deserve the points and fine if we speed knowing full well the licence is our job … Personally I think you should of got a ban for doing 68 in a 50 zone 15-18 is excessive regardless of what time of night it is … the police are rightly doing there job … go to court could go against you you are fighting a typing error. in your favour by 3mph.
if it was the wrong colour make reg as said yes fight it as they then have to prove beyond reasonable doubt, have you asked to see the calibration certificate of the device used as if it is not calibrate within a set time of the offence it could be dismissable in court etc … but the have you by the short and curlies.
90% of the trucks going down that stretch of road are on the limiter (56mph). I wonder how many of them would get pulled…
Or do the coppers just turn a blind eye because “they all do it” ?
I personally stick to 50 when it says 50. But I know I’ve got to be the odd one out 'cos right after I pull in after the merge, any other lorries that were behind me will use lane 2 to fly past me before the 70 sign… so would be curious to know…
