Kenny1975:
SPECS cameras are set at 5mph above the speed limit, not out of leniency but out of practicalities. If caught doing 52mph some would then argue camera maybe wasn’t calibrated correctly. Same with GATSO’s in a 30mph limit the camera will be set to trigger at least 35mph, if the camera is a dummy then supposedly some are set to trigger at 32mph or 30mph.
ive gone through the SPECS cameras on the A77 in the car doing 75mph and never been done for it. Not that it makes a difference speed wise, but the SPECS camera section ends up with loads of cars all bunched together and typical of car drivers sitting right up each others arses. Rather go a bit faster somtimes and get away from that.
I don’t think SPECS cameras can tell the difference between different types of vehicle, it just reads number plates. A guy at my work was driving a van through the SPECS cameras at 72mph every day he didnt realise the speed limit for vans was 60mph and nothing ever happend about that. Plus going down the A77 see same trucks everyday doing 56mph along the single carriageway sections, UK registared and prob same driver he would be banned by now if they could tell the difference.
Police guidelines advise 10% over the limit for prosecution but then again tell that to the guy caught on the A74(m) at Johnstonbridge doing 74mph and ending up in court over the totting up of points and then banned from driving.
I doubt many police will do people for doing 42mph in a 40mph limit, but then again maybe they have stoped someone for somthing else, like a light out or driving irratically then they have been cheeky to the police.
Kenny please provide a link to an official site such as a police or government one to back up your claims above. Until you can do that, everything you say is nothing more than your opinion and as far as I can recall, saying “Kenny1975 said it okay” didn’t wash very well with the courts and police.
My understanding of the SPECS is that as they are digital, they can record thousands of number plates. I dont suppose it is rocket science to interrogate a database of all vehicles over 3.5t or of all cars that passed the camera between 70 and 80 mph.
If you know the speed limit is there, and know that there are cameras there too why would any one with more than half a brain cell speed past them to prove a point?
I laugh at the idiots who brake for average speed cameras unless they do it in front of me, then I will probably drive over the afterbirth that is driving
Kenny1975:
SPECS cameras are set at 5mph above the speed limit, not out of leniency but out of practicalities. If caught doing 52mph some would then argue camera maybe wasn’t calibrated correctly. Same with GATSO’s in a 30mph limit the camera will be set to trigger at least 35mph, if the camera is a dummy then supposedly some are set to trigger at 32mph or 30mph.
ive gone through the SPECS cameras on the A77 in the car doing 75mph and never been done for it. Not that it makes a difference speed wise, but the SPECS camera section ends up with loads of cars all bunched together and typical of car drivers sitting right up each others arses. Rather go a bit faster somtimes and get away from that.
I don’t think SPECS cameras can tell the difference between different types of vehicle, it just reads number plates. A guy at my work was driving a van through the SPECS cameras at 72mph every day he didnt realise the speed limit for vans was 60mph and nothing ever happend about that. Plus going down the A77 see same trucks everyday doing 56mph along the single carriageway sections, UK registared and prob same driver he would be banned by now if they could tell the difference.
Police guidelines advise 10% over the limit for prosecution but then again tell that to the guy caught on the A74(m) at Johnstonbridge doing 74mph and ending up in court over the totting up of points and then banned from driving.
I doubt many police will do people for doing 42mph in a 40mph limit, but then again maybe they have stoped someone for somthing else, like a light out or driving irratically then they have been cheeky to the police.
Kenny please provide a link to an official site such as a police or government one to back up your claims above. Until you can do that, everything you say is nothing more than your opinion and as far as I can recall, saying “Kenny1975 said it okay” didn’t wash very well with the courts and police.
speedlimit.org (an unofficial site) <img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt=":roll:" title="Rolling Eyes" />:
Q: What are the ACPO guidelines for speeding prosecutions?
A: These guidelines set out the minimum figures at which a Fixed Penalty Notice and a Court Summons would normally be considered appropriate for a speeding offence, if there are no other aggravating circumstances. The minimum figure for a FPN is the posted limit + 10% + 2 mph. These figures are shown in the table below:
The full details can be found on the ACPO website.
Bear in mind that exceeding a speed limit by any amount whatsoever is an absolute offence, and a police officer is fully entitled to charge a driver for doing, say, 31 in a 30 limit outside a school at closing time, or in a busy High Street.
However, since a speed camera or Talivan is unable to make any judgment as to aggravating circumstances, automated FPNs issued by these means should not normally fall below the Fixed Penalty level set by the formula. In the past, many Gatsos had thresholds set much higher - in the Metropolitan Police area they were originally set at 43 mph in 30 limits - but in recent years most have been brought down to the minimum ACPO figures. However, I have yet to see a case where someone has received an FPN from a camera or Talivan for a speed below these guidelines - although obviously this can be done by a police officer in person.
Given that most car speedometers overread by up to 10%, if you drive past a speed camera at up to an indicated 5 mph above the posted limit, you will normally be OK. On the motorway, an indicated 80 mph should not cause any problems.
Association of Chief Police Officers guidelines
ACPO guidelines for all types of speed enforcement,
available online2 , advise that, under normal circumstances
speed cameras should be triggered by motorists speeding by
a certain amount, normally 10% + 2 miles per hour. This is
to safeguard against any discrepancies between
speedometers and police equipment. Cameras will not
normally be triggered below these thresholds.
I’m just posting the guidelines for use of these cameras you all know the speed limit, never once said go out break the speed limit because there is leeway.
Wheel Nut:
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If you know the speed limit is there, and know that there are cameras there too why would any one with more than half a brain cell speed past them to prove a point?
The people that do speed to prove a point are the same people who will be moaning to any one that would listen that they they had been done for speeding and moaning on here how unfair speed cameras are and that it wasn’t their fault for speeding because they were only 2mph over the limit.
If you are daft enough to speed when knowing that there are cameras are there you deserve the fist of the law and a good boot up the backside for stupidity.
At the end of the day if someone doing 31 in a 30mph limit (which is well in the 10% tolerance) knocked your child over would you just turn round and it’s ok I know you weren’t really speeding■■?
Wheel Nut:
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If you know the speed limit is there, and know that there are cameras there too why would any one with more than half a brain cell speed past them to prove a point?
The people that do speed to prove a point are the same people who will be moaning to any one that would listen that they they had been done for speeding and moaning on here how unfair speed cameras are and that it wasn’t their fault for speeding because they were only 2mph over the limit.
If you are daft enough to speed when knowing that there are cameras are there you deserve the fist of the law and a good boot up the backside for stupidity.
At the end of the day if someone doing 31 in a 30mph limit (which is well in the 10% tolerance) knocked your child over would you just turn round and it’s ok I know you weren’t really speeding■■?
If they were doing 30mph you would be ok with it tho ?
Association of Chief Police Officers guidelines
ACPO guidelines for all types of speed enforcement,
available online2 , advise that, under normal circumstances
speed cameras should be triggered by motorists speeding by
a certain amount, normally 10% + 2 miles per hour. This is
to safeguard against any discrepancies between
speedometers and police equipment. Cameras will not
normally be triggered below these thresholds.
I’m just posting the guidelines for use of these cameras you all know the speed limit, never once said go out break the speed limit because there is leeway.
You’re not getting it or you’re being deliberately stupid! There is nothing in any of the links that says “we will NEVER prosecute you if caught doing 10% + 2 mph, or any other figure above the speed limit but within the guidelines”. Therefore, if a copper feels that way inclined he could do you for doing 51 in a 50 limit and no amount of quoting the guidelines would change that because as far as the law goes you don’t have a leg to stand on.
If you and your pals want to continue barrelling past the cameras on the limiter because the guidelines say it should be okay then carry on! Makes no difference to me! For the sake of easing back to the speed limit for a few seconds (GATSOs & Truvelos) or minutes (SPECS) to be 100% sure you haven’t been caught makes a lot of sense to me, but as the vast majority of drivers don’t have a brain then I can fully understand why you reckon it’s best to stay on the limiter !!
Association of Chief Police Officers guidelines
ACPO guidelines for all types of speed enforcement,
available online2 , advise that, under normal circumstances
speed cameras should be triggered by motorists speeding by
a certain amount, normally 10% + 2 miles per hour. This is
to safeguard against any discrepancies between
speedometers and police equipment. Cameras will not
normally be triggered below these thresholds.
I’m just posting the guidelines for use of these cameras you all know the speed limit, never once said go out break the speed limit because there is leeway.
You’re not getting it or you’re being deliberately stupid! There is nothing in any of the links that says “we will NEVER prosecute you if caught doing 10% + 2 mph, or any other figure above the speed limit but within the guidelines”. Therefore, if a copper feels that way inclined he could do you for doing 51 in a 50 limit and no amount of quoting the guidelines would change that because as far as the law goes you don’t have a leg to stand on.
If you and your pals want to continue barrelling past the cameras on the limiter because the guidelines say it should be okay then carry on! Makes no difference to me! For the sake of easing back to the speed limit for a few seconds (GATSOs & Truvelos) or minutes (SPECS) to be 100% sure you haven’t been caught makes a lot of sense to me, but as the vast majority of drivers don’t have a brain then I can fully understand why you reckon it’s best to stay on the limiter !!
I work for a company get paid by the hour, i don’t speed when driving a truck ! So thanks for that assumption. My “pals” at work don’t speed either, why risk a fine, points to get paid less !
I’m just stating the guidelines and specifictations of these cameras tho your deciding thats my personal view points and opinon.
I think your being niave if you really believe the police are sitting looking for people doing 1mph or 2mph above the speed limit. Yeah ive heard all the stories as well done for doing 32mph in a 30mph most of them prob talking crap because they don’t want to admit they were doing 40mph in a 30mph and saying the ******* police were out to get them etc… is more interesting than admiting you were caught doing something wrong.
Also not having a leg to stand on if your caught doing 51mph in a 50mph i aint so sure about that.
i’d need to speak to my mate who is a lawer and he has talked about similar things before. But on the APCO guidelines it says the guidelines are in place as well due to Human Rights Laws.
If the speed limit is 50mph and the APCO guidelines then mean threshold for prosecution is 57mph and you get caught doing somthing like 52mph. Some might argue your human rights have been violated if the police have ignored the guidelines and other people are not getting charged at doing 52mph, it could be made out the police are targetting you and treating you differently from everyone else breaching your human rights…
But then again you would need to knock back the fixed penality and goto court about it and take the risk.
Well its Europe and 2008, its all about Human Rights innit.
Must be somthing in it since its on the ACPO stuff about the guidelines.
Lets face it everything legal is about guidelines these days, i aint sayin its a good thing but decision making for the police is being replaced by guidelines. Just means in a lot of cases common sense goes out the window.
I have read carefuly all the postings regarding this and have decided to change my opinion of the section on the A14 thus:
I will drive at 50 through the average camera section, which I believe is 24kms long. I will continue to drive at the limits on all other roads as I do already. I am of the opinion that it’s not worth it for the sake of staying at 53 rather than 50.
As I don’t speed anywhere else I may as well not there either, I don’t get a speed bonus anyway
FWIW I don’t think you will get a ticket along there but who’s to say that tomorrow things will be the same. I’m sure we’ve all heard the “Well, I’ve always gone through that one at 50 before” stories.
With “Don’t ■■■■ about with cameras” as my motto, so far so good.
It’s alright tootling along at 50 and thinking “Well everyone else is doing it, think I’ll join the party” but at 50 you’ll never catch up those going at 50 and those behind will never catch you. I came through there at about half two on Sat. mornin’ and stuck as I always do bang on the mark. About ten or so trucks that passed me will bear testament to that so surely those on the limiter are passing trucks through there. Going through there on previous occasions I’ve had people zoom up behind me and on seeing me, must’ve had second thoughts about being naughty boys and followed me through the rest of the way.
The op wasn’t asking about the specs though, it was speeding on the a14 in general and I whizz pass loads going around the 50 mark but obviously not in the specs stretch.
Another good example is the two on the a43 between the m1 and m40. Now I know I can run on the limiter through those but I don’t. Sometimes when I’ve been crewed up the other lad has trammed on through and I’ve seen plenty of others doing it but why take the risk for a few seconds even moreso with the licence that we hold Bet him and him wished they hadn’t.
One of our lads got flashed last week in Lincolnshire on the limiter in a 50. I wouldn’t mind but you can see it from about 1000 yds as well. Crazy. Our trucks do 54 but whenever I’ve been through one of those “Your speed is” wotsits such as the one which was around the Chester/Queensferry area, it actually registers a few mph less. Another one from the last company I worked at got done around Grantham and wrote back to say he was in a national speed limit. They wrote back and said in words to the nearest meaning “Quite correct but for you the national speed limit is 40 not 50 in that stretch” With guys like this you can soon work out where danger is lurking just around the corner and around cameras it usually is
Not condoning speeding, but i have yet to see the evidence, by means of a copy/scan of the NIP from any one of the people who has allegedly been done for being 1/2/3 mph over the limit.
Wind yer neck back in, you! And I’m still waiting for a useful 
reply to my PM from you !!
but obviously not in the specs stretch. 
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