South Wales Hauliers sixties and seventies onwards (Part 1)

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pete 359:

E J Miles Of Cymmer Nr Port Talbot. Dai Davies.

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hello dai,
thanks for the information mate.all i have got to do now is press gang one of my neighbours ,retired life long brs and boc driver (tony flye) to join trucknet and we will have a good cross section of “authorities” on the south wales thread. .
regards andrew

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pete 359:
the crown buckley brewery in pontyclyn ran these aec’s for many years.sadly they have gone,the brewery is a housing estate and the lorries are gone.

Two of these drays were converted to tankers. One can be seen in the background on the loading dock. These were designed and built at Pontyclun. One started going around the local shows around 1988, but Crown were bought out by Brains, and as they already had a Mammoth Major 6 dray to ‘show off’, the tankers were retired. The best one was outside the offices for sale as a chassis cab, but I dont know what happened to it. A later ERF 4 wheeler dray was sold off to showmen locally and was converted to a 6 wheeler. It still survives somewhere in the u.k.

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pete 359:
here’s a south wales haulier’s truck that i know nothing about (other than it’s an old iron lung scammell rigid 8 ) .it says on the door p&p transport co.old refinery,bridgend.anyone know anything? lynxman,dai davies, certain trucknet members of a more experienced era than myself someone may know something?

Look at the wheels on the thing.

Bit of info on Scammel from Bridgend it was owned by Palmer & Palmer the old foundry Bridgend. They were a very old firm that run the steam Fodens back and fore London.They later became Anstey & Palmer and became part of British Road Services Regards Dai Davies

hello dai,
tony flye worked for brs bridgend depot for many years,he told me that the general manager at bridgend was a chap called anstey,so this backs up your information.
regards andrew

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pete 359:

dai cap:

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pete 359:
here’s a south wales haulier’s truck that i know nothing about (other than it’s an old iron lung scammell rigid 8 ) .it says on the door p&p transport co.old refinery,bridgend.anyone know anything? lynxman,dai davies, certain trucknet members of a more experienced era than myself someone may know something?

Look at the wheels on the thing.

Bit of info on Scammel from Bridgend it was owned by Palmer & Palmer the old foundry Bridgend. They were a very old firm that run the steam Fodens back and fore London.They later became Anstey & Palmer and became part of British Road Services Regards Dai Davies

hello dai,
tony flye worked for brs bridgend depot for many years,he told me that the general manager at bridgend was a chap called anstey,so this backs up your information.
regards andrew

Hi Andrew the man that gave me the information was Mr Fred Smith he worked for Palmer,s and then B R S from the start . untile he retired. Fred is in his 90th year.

[chris143]

hi DAI cap i rememer the red 86, then a blue f7 with a red stripe then a cream foden which
he sold to jack pickup’s son cheers chris

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chris143:
hi DAI cap i rememer the red 86, then a blue f7 with a red stripe then a cream foden which
he sold to jack pickup’s son cheers chris

Hi Chris the blue F7 with a red stripe was Phillip Lewis . I dont remember a cream Foden.Dai cap.

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Heres one for Andrew. Taken at the Shropshire truck Show Cliffs old Foden

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Forgot too put the picture in ! here it is

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Hi Andrew too complete the set this is Cliffs son Glyns smart MAN

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Bloody hell forgot the picture again !!

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mercman123:
Bloody hell forgot the picture again !!

hi tony,
thanks for posting the photos of cliff’s foden and glyn’s man.when my father drove for joints during the 1960’s him and cliff became very good friends,as did glyn and i many years later.i used to go and stay with them,many years ago,they always made me feel very welcome,i had many good nights out in shrewsbury with glyn ashley and his mates.good old days indeed.glyn used to come down to wales and stay at my house,back in the good old days when we were young,single and carefree,bloody hell that seems like along time ago now. .thanks for igniting those memories.
regards andrew

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harry_gill:

143topline:

pete 359:
an early wynns scammell contractor mk.1these old girls would pull a house down.

i remember taking this photo south of worcester on the A38 late 60’s

hiya,
Great old motors just the job for dragging extinct mainline loco’s from Lancs down to Barry loco graveyard would have pulled two and still had some to spare, but you did need the power it was a canny old hill into there.
thanks harry long retired.

Those old motors were rated at 240 tons train weight and I know they have pulled over 300 tons on there own but they were a bit ■■■■■■■■■■ around town
cheers Johnnie

hi Johnnie, actually this model was rated for 110 - 150 tons and known as “lightweight contractors”!!! the 240 ton contractors and the 250 ton mk2’s had the larger coachbuilt cabs and larger wheels.they were rated very conservatively by Scammell and could quite easily handle twice that weight. WYNNS used them for twenty years because nothing else came close for capability and reliability. thats quite a recomendation in anyones book! cheers Mark

It looks as though that wagon as got the big contractor wheels and hubs as the 125 ton juniors ran on 1100 tyres and smaller hubs but Scammell did turn out some specials for their main customers they did make several single cab 240 tonners when they came out as each contractor were more or less tailor made as when we first got them they were able to double the pulling capacity of what we had up to then
cheers Johnnie

hi Johnnie
unless i’m mistaken the 125 ton juniors ,that you refer to, were constructors rather than contractors as these were the only "heavy tractors " to use 11.00 tyres. you’re right about the big hubs on this tractor but the 240 tonners had larger & wider wheels making them considerably wider than the “smaller” 110-150 tonners. sorry to sound like an anorak but i’ve always had a soft spot for these old girls.they have something that a lot of lorries today just don’t~sheer presence cheers Mark
ps who were you working for when you had the scammells?

Hi Mark I was at Pickfords Sheffield and we had one out of the first batch of contractors PGO712E and one out of the first batch of junior contractors SJD802F as I recall they were only in 6x4 where as the constructor you could have 6x4 and 6x6 which we had at the time I have a picture out of the Scammell book of them I don’t think you can make it out but it does say contractor on the side of the bonnet of the junior and it is a sister motor of the one at our depot I think it could have based at Liverpool driven by ■■■■ there is also a picture of the one which started me off lol which I will post the picture of PGO712E is moving a load from Folkstone docks to Dungerness power station as there were several and I was on one of the movements as they had been shipped in from Larne and we loaded them off the ferry and took them through during the night.
cheers Johnnie

hi Johnnie
my sincere apologies,i forgot all about that “little” junior contractor model. they didnt seem to make many of those. i guessed you might have worked for pickfords-the few pics i’ve seen of these baby contractors have all been in pickfords livery. that last photo looks like a wynns scammell…or perhaps its time for new glasses! do you have got any photos from your time at pickfords? always been a lowloader fan,drove them myself for five years.though nothing as impressive as the big scammells.
cheers Mark

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noisy jake:

sammyopisite:

noisy jake:

sammyopisite:

noisy jake:

sammyopisite:

harry_gill:

143topline:

pete 359:
an early wynns scammell contractor mk.1these old girls would pull a house down.

i remember taking this photo south of worcester on the A38 late 60’s

hiya,
Great old motors just the job for dragging extinct mainline loco’s from Lancs down to Barry loco graveyard would have pulled two and still had some to spare, but you did need the power it was a canny old hill into there.
thanks harry long retired.

Those old motors were rated at 240 tons train weight and I know they have pulled over 300 tons on there own but they were a bit ■■■■■■■■■■ around town
cheers Johnnie

hi Johnnie, actually this model was rated for 110 - 150 tons and known as “lightweight contractors”!!! the 240 ton contractors and the 250 ton mk2’s had the larger coachbuilt cabs and larger wheels.they were rated very conservatively by Scammell and could quite easily handle twice that weight. WYNNS used them for twenty years because nothing else came close for capability and reliability. thats quite a recomendation in anyones book! cheers Mark

It looks as though that wagon as got the big contractor wheels and hubs as the 125 ton juniors ran on 1100 tyres and smaller hubs but Scammell did turn out some specials for their main customers they did make several single cab 240 tonners when they came out as each contractor were more or less tailor made as when we first got them they were able to double the pulling capacity of what we had up to then
cheers Johnnie

hi Johnnie
unless i’m mistaken the 125 ton juniors ,that you refer to, were constructors rather than contractors as these were the only "heavy tractors " to use 11.00 tyres. you’re right about the big hubs on this tractor but the 240 tonners had larger & wider wheels making them considerably wider than the “smaller” 110-150 tonners. sorry to sound like an anorak but i’ve always had a soft spot for these old girls.they have something that a lot of lorries today just don’t~sheer presence cheers Mark
ps who were you working for when you had the scammells?

Hi Mark I was at Pickfords Sheffield and we had one out of the first batch of contractors PGO712E and one out of the first batch of junior contractors SJD802F as I recall they were only in 6x4 where as the constructor you could have 6x4 and 6x6 which we had at the time I have a picture out of the Scammell book of them I don’t think you can make it out but it does say contractor on the side of the bonnet of the junior and it is a sister motor of the one at our depot I think it could have based at Liverpool driven by ■■■■ there is also a picture of the one which started me off lol which I will post the picture of PGO712E is moving a load from Folkstone docks to Dungerness power station as there were several and I was on one of the movements as they had been shipped in from Larne and we loaded them off the ferry and took them through during the night.
cheers Johnnie

hi Johnnie
my sincere apologies,i forgot all about that “little” junior contractor model. they didnt seem to make many of those. i guessed you might have worked for pickfords-the few pics i’ve seen of these baby contractors have all been in pickfords livery. that last photo looks like a wynns scammell…or perhaps its time for new glasses! do you have got any photos from your time at pickfords? always been a lowloader fan,drove them myself for five years.though nothing as impressive as the big scammells.
cheers Mark

Hi Mark no need for apologies as I make more mistakes than most “wrong is what I do best” the last photo of the wynns Scammell is ( I think ) the same wagon as which started it off lol I have a few pics but I have lost my pics tempory I hope and just have a few in photobucket but I will post them as soon as I sort it out . Wynns did use contractors in artic form which pickfords never did and the junior only had a 250 ■■■■■■■ in it for 125 tons and more but they did the job without to many problems. I will have a lookto see if there is a Pickfords thread and if not I will start one when I am sorted I have not got to many pictures but when I start it you never know what will turn up.
cheers Johnnie

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pete 359:

mercman123:
Bloody hell forgot the picture again !!

hi tony,
thanks for posting the photos of cliff’s foden and glyn’s man.when my father drove for joints during the 1960’s him and cliff became very good friends,as did glyn and i many years later.i used to go and stay with them,many years ago,they always made me feel very welcome,i had many good nights out in shrewsbury with glyn ashley and his mates.good old days indeed.glyn used to come down to wales and stay at my house,back in the good old days when we were young,single and carefree,bloody hell that seems like along time ago now. .thanks for igniting those memories.
regards andrew

No problems Andrew glad you like the pictures. Cliff and Glyn was very good too me and my dad. I have more pictures from the Shropshire truck shows. When I am able too get on my computer ( the kids are never off ! ) I wall put them on this and the Shropshire forums. Tony

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hi dai cap.fred smith was the garage foreman at bridgend brs.cheers tony

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Some more pictures from the 2005/6 Shropshire truck show

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richard davey from llantwit fadre? had this new 410 hp foden 8 wheeler back in 1995.

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another from llanelli based ronnie s. evans,this time a daf.

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a “burger van daf” owned by charles footman carms.