Some of the most basic

m4rky:
Total rubbish - There are many new drivers that do not need their DCPC before 2014 just the same as many more experienced drivers.

Total crap mate. All new drivers need dcpc straight away if driving for a living

damion.p:

m4rky:
Total rubbish - There are many new drivers that do not need their DCPC before 2014 just the same as many more experienced drivers.

Total crap mate. All new drivers need dcpc straight away if driving for a living

Rubbish - If you had class C1 on your licence before 10th September 2009 and then passed your LGV licence you do not need to have a driver DCPC before 2014. Check the DVLA website of you want to check this and this rule would encompass many new drivers in the UK

To answer limeyphil its possible that they are the same people who left school without qualifications, or even the basic idea of how to spell, and those too can be seen on trucknet…eg Brake…instead of…Break.

None of can be perfect in the english language, but surely the basics should have been learnt.
There are a lot of rules to remember, and as we went along in our career, as a new rule came in, we would soon hear and learn about it, and remember it, but then that was when drivers used to mix together, and talk to each other.

I used to drive class 1 fridges for 3 years before i joined the Army, whilst on summer leave i would jump back into the cab for the odd week, then the company got sold so that killed the chance of keepin my finger in. On rules regs etc. I leave the Army next Mth after 17 yrs and have landed a Hopefully decent job on the Boxes. What im getting at is ive asked some very bone questions, N thankfully ive had gud advice from driving assessment to Hours. If youve been out the game for a while its hard to get your head around all the do,s N dont,s. . Alsomy last Job in the mil i was driving an Artic but didnt have to use a tacho or card.

To be truthful, not having driven a truck for nearly ten years, I would need advice regarding driving hours and breaks etc. I havent used a digi tacho for a start, also when I was driving you just left the thing on break all the time and it filled itself in! (joke):wink: When you were on the road you put it on drive mode and when you were in the quarry loading or tipping it went onto other work. The ‘crossed hammers’ mode wasn’t used either for the UK in those days, now I believe it is, so personally it would be like starting all over again for little old me! :confused: When I passed my test back in '76 driving hours were never mentioned, we were on logbooks then so you filled them in when you thought about it, usually at the end of the week. :blush:

Pete.

Just to add my two-penneth here when I started driving I did ask advice and was told by the ‘old-boys’ things like ‘yes mate you can run back into yard as they allow 15minutes extra to get you back’. Another example of advice offered was ‘here mate you don’t need to put that dog clip on’ even though its fitted I asked to be told to just remove it. These weren’t the only two things but certainly the former of the two I believed for many years as it was a respectable older driver who told me. I am a strong believer in if you don’t know ask but always take answers with a pinch of salt. Wherever possible I would always try to answer anybodies questions to the best of my knowledge ridiculing people leads nowhere!

As a new driver I have been given some proper jewels of advice from experienced drivers, a lot of conflicting advice too, one driver even when I got out a copy of the regs and shown him he wasn’t right told me that he was right and had been pulled by VOSA and they didn’t say owt to him so he was ok, his ultimate argument was “well no-ones told me different so I must be right” ( he was having 30 minutes break then a 15 ) another driver told me that you are allowed two reduced weekly rests a month and it’s fine to have them together as long as the last two weekly rests in the month aren’t reduced, so it’s not just new drivers that haven’t got a full grasp on the rules, so have a little patience with us and help us and maybe one day we may be the perfect drivers that know every rule that you currently are :smiley:

Darb:
As a new driver I have been given some proper jewels of advice from experienced drivers, a lot of conflicting advice too, one driver even when I got out a copy of the regs and shown him he wasn’t right told me that he was right and had been pulled by VOSA and they didn’t say owt to him so he was ok, his ultimate argument was “well no-ones told me different so I must be right” ( he was having 30 minutes break then a 15 ) another driver told me that you are allowed two reduced weekly rests a month and it’s fine to have them together as long as the last two weekly rests in the month aren’t reduced, so it’s not just new drivers that haven’t got a full grasp on the rules, so have a little patience with us and help us and maybe one day we may be the perfect drivers that know every rule that you currently are :smiley:

You only have to read the answers to questions on here to realise that, in many cases, a few drivers will agree on a point, then others will come in with another set of different answers…it soon becomes clear that , whoever is right or wrong they can’t all be!!! A situation develops when half a dozen experienced drivers are all voicing different views about the same thing. It happens quite frequently.

In short, none of us know it all and, although I agree that the basics ought to be known from the first time you drive…that isn’t the case and never was.

The problem is that some drivers have forgotten what it’s like to be new to the job. :wink:

waynedl:

Montmerency:
“Welcome to Trucknet UK,any questions ask away”…or maybe not! :confused:

If you want to be picky, there’s a New and Wannabe truckers forum, this is The UK Professional Drivers Forum.

Questions like - Do I have to take a break if I do 2.5hrs driving, 3hrs other work, 4hrs driving - really do not belong in here.

Because, if you don’t know the answer to that, you’re not a Professional Driver, you’re a New or Wannabe (most likely a wannabe)

I know that,but if all you get in reply is sarcasm instead of guidance?

Truckulent:
In short, none of us know it all and, although I agree that the basics ought to be known from the first time you drive…that isn’t the case and never was.

The problem is that some drivers have forgotten what it’s like to be new to the job. :wink:

I couldn’t agree more, I have been doing this on and off for almost 39 years and I certainly don’t know it all.
I’d like to think I know a bit but my understanding of the tachograph regulations has been corrected by tachograph
more than once and I have learnt from him.
Every now and then, someone who has often been driving for a lot less time than I will show me his better way of doing something
and I learn from him too.
I don’t think there is any such thing as a question that is too basic to ask and taking the mickey out of the person who asks the question
doesn’t help anyone, though it may boost the ego of the mickey taker.
The biggest fool is the one who knows he knows everything and doesn’t need to listen to anyone else.

Regards,
Nick.

There are many different forums with in trucknet if you lock & read you will poss find the answer to all the basic questions not hard

Yes I have looked a lot of stuff up & read even copied & pasted it for people

No I dont know it all but if in doubt about something I will find out by either asking on here or looking to see if the answer is available or ask a driver or 2

Re :- drivers hours there is a book GV262 that has all of them in if people would just look it up & read if still in doubt or need something clarifying then ask

When you do you test same as has been in a long time your learn to drive to pass test they dont teach you drivers hours etc

No I didnt need the initial dcpc before I took my Cat C why :question: as I had my car licence before 2009 simple fact

m4rky:

damion.p:

m4rky:
Total rubbish - There are many new drivers that do not need their DCPC before 2014 just the same as many more experienced drivers.

Total crap mate. All new drivers need dcpc straight away if driving for a living

Rubbish - If you had class C1 on your licence before 10th September 2009 and then passed your LGV licence you do not need to have a driver DCPC before 2014. Check the DVLA website of you want to check this and this rule would encompass many new drivers in the UK

I wouldn’t class someone who had a class C1 before September 2009 as a new driver, they may be inexperienced/unproven but certainly not new.

When I did my training and test back in the the mid 1990’s,straight to class 1, the school I used gave a short assessment, from that an estimate as to how long it might take to get me up to standard. Then I had a booklet of about 40-45 pages with stuff you needed to know like what to do in a walk round check, drivers hours, trailer pick-up & dropping procedure basic dashboard warnings. When I started the training proper the first hour was a question and answer session on that booklet then the stuff around pick-up and walk round checks. I kept that book and referred to it several times in my early days as even then my memory would let me down

I compare this with the “training” that i get from time to time which is sadly done more to tick a box, rushed, with little or no interaction encouraged or allowed. In many ways it’s like being back in kindergarten and frankly demoralising if not demeaning. Rarely is it effective.

Wiretwister:

m4rky:

damion.p:

m4rky:
Total rubbish - There are many new drivers that do not need their DCPC before 2014 just the same as many more experienced drivers.

Total crap mate. All new drivers need dcpc straight away if driving for a living

Rubbish - If you had class C1 on your licence before 10th September 2009 and then passed your LGV licence you do not need to have a driver DCPC before 2014. Check the DVLA website of you want to check this and this rule would encompass many new drivers in the UK

I wouldn’t class someone who had a class C1 before September 209 as a new driver, they may be inexperienced/unproven but certainly not new.

When I did my training and test back in the the mid 1990’s,straight to class 1, the school I used gave a short assessment, from that an estimate as to how long it might take to get me up to standard. Then I had a booklet of about 40-45 pages with stuff you needed to know like what to do in a walk round check, drivers hours, trailer pick-up & dropping procedure basic dashboard warnings. When I started the training proper the first hour was a question and answer session on that booklet then the stuff around pick-up and walk round checks. I kept that book and referred to it several times in my early days as even then my memory would let me down

I compare this with the “training” that i get from time to time which is sadly done more to tick a box, rushed, with little or no interaction encouraged or allowed. In many ways it’s like being back in kindergarten and frankly demoralising if not demeaning. Rarely is it effective.

Nothing like that now trust me as I passed my Cat C in 2008 but have had my car licence since the early 80’s I am poss a newish driver or was 4 years ago but still knew a lot of the basic stuff yep done a quick walk round check on the 3rd day but that was about it

I did do a driver’s assessment as well

May be some of the trainers can provide some insight to some of this :bulb:

Wiretwister:
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I wouldn’t class someone who had a class C1 before September 2009 as a new driver, they may be inexperienced/unproven but certainly not new.

New to driving trucks not new to driving; C1 could be obtained by passing a car test so these drivers could drive a 7.5t with no training.

mrpj:

Wiretwister:
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I wouldn’t class someone who had a class C1 before September 2009 as a new driver, they may be inexperienced/unproven but certainly not new.

New to driving trucks not new to driving; C1 could be obtained by passing a car test so these drivers could drive a 7.5t with no training.

Sorry I read the post I quoted as passing the HGV/LGV test before September 2009. Should have had less sherry more sleep. :open_mouth: :laughing: :laughing:

Ahem, just throwing my two peneth into the ring, I think what Phil was getting at was that there is a forum for asking such questions (New and wanabe). I do believe that this is the THE UK PROFESSIONAL DRIVERS FORUM (INTERACTIVE).

Everything in it’s correct place please :smiley:

As you were.

Whilst some of the questions are being asked in the wrong forum you do need to give them some credit for admitting they don’t know and need to find out the answer.

Better to look a fool by asking a stupid question than being an idiot by carrying on regardless.

dri-diddly-iver:

limeyphil:

keebs26uk:
Am I even aloud to take a P would be more the question ■■?

you are not aloud to take a pee.
but you are aloud to take the pee.
EU6969/2012

You really shouldn’t be allowed to take any type of pee :unamused:

i couldn’t take a pee until i had followed all the h&s rules and done a heavy handling coarse :open_mouth: :open_mouth: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :wink: :wink: :wink:

So if I go through an amber light, and it changes to red before my trailer clears it, does that mean I’ve gone through a red light??
Also does the date above the passenger window ever change on its own or do you have to change it?? It always says 13"10" regardless of what day it is.

FarnboroughBoy11:
So if I go through an amber light, and it changes to red before my trailer clears it, does that mean I’ve gone through a red light??

Depends when the light changes to amber :slight_smile:

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You MUST stop behind the white ‘Stop’ line across your side of the road unless the light is green. If the amber light appears you may go on only if you have already crossed the stop line or are so close to it that to stop might cause a collision.