Not used digi for awhile.
My Q is do I use the times on the printout for my SOD & EOD which are 1 hour early due to UTC or do I input the actual times i put the card in and took in out which will be 1 hour later than what my printout shows.
Thanks
RuddyAntique:
Not used digi for awhile.My Q is do I use the times on the printout for my SOD & EOD which are 1 hour early due to UTC or do I input the actual times i put the card in and took in out which will be 1 hour later than what my printout shows.
Thanks
You put it on the time you start and end work according to the tachograph, the days of “pinching the hour” finished with the analogue.
Wheel Nut:
RuddyAntique:
Not used digi for awhile.My Q is do I use the times on the printout for my SOD & EOD which are 1 hour early due to UTC or do I input the actual times i put the card in and took in out which will be 1 hour later than what my printout shows.
Thanks
You put it on the time you start and end work according to the tachograph, the days of “pinching the hour” finished with the analogue.
Cheers thankyou
There is nowhere to be writing EOD or SOD with a digi tacho and your SOD and EOD will be whatever manual entry you make.
Your start of duty and end of duty times for your time sheet are local time, so BST one hour later than the tacho time at this time of the year. If you are making manual entries at the start of a shift to cover the time from taking the card out and actual finish time of the previous shift and from the start of the shift until when you got into the truck, then they will be in UTC, same as the tacho.
RuddyAntique:
‘… do I use … UTC or do I input the actual times…’
As a Euro-sceptic (no, seriously!), I’m a mischievous sod & mix UTC and local by simply putting the time from whatever clock I see first with either ‘UTC’ or ‘L’ penned alongside it
OK, so the clerks initially got a bit mardy about it, but as I told them, we’re all in this EU together: I argued lets all have a slice of the undemocratically introduced EU nausea rather than subordinating driver’s beneath suits who’d like the reality of bolleaux tidied up by us drivers before we presenting to them with the nonsense taken out. My Top Trump was that it is EU administration & that they are administrators within the EU.
It works for me.
Pedantic? Some may suggest perhaps - but why be an unpaid merde filter for a foreign system that is of no interest to me as an England-only driver?
The problem is, I was talking ■■■■■■■■, Neil has mentioned a card, the other bloke chucked in a bomb which I caught
Hope you are not injured, Wheel Nut
what the [zb] is a SOD, and EOD?
i know what a UTC is, i saw one on star trek.
limeyphil:
what the [zb] is a SOD, and EOD?
i know what a UTC is, i saw one on star trek.
Don’t worry your pretty little head about it, it’s not necessary and is only used by power-crazed transport managers who love writing internal infringement reports.
I jumped in with an earlier answer without reading the end of it, so I was talking about wax charts. There is no need to take a digital printout unless you have been naughty.
Employers may also ask drivers
to indicate on a chart where their duty (or rest) begins and ends, so that they can ensure that a full
record has been submitted.Most analogue charts have a specified place to make manual entries (usually on the reverse). However,
manual entries can be made anywhere on the chart provided that they are clear and do not obliterate
other recordings.
Coffeeholic:
There is nowhere to be writing EOD or SOD with a digi tacho and your SOD and EOD will be whatever manual entry you make.Your start of duty and end of duty times for your time sheet are local time, so BST one hour later than the tacho time at this time of the year. If you are making manual entries at the start of a shift to cover the time from taking the card out and actual finish time of the previous shift and from the start of the shift until when you got into the truck, then they will be in UTC, same as the tacho.
Unfortunately I work for a (power crazed transport company) who want all their drivers to do a printout after every shift - yep every shift !!
On the rear of the printout is 0 - 24 hours and this is where we enter our relevant SOD & EOD times.
Wheelnut was correct in his original answer that we should enter the SOD & EOD as per the digi printout times and not enter the actual time we entered/ejected the card which would be 1+ hr ahead of the digi times.
RuddyAntique:
Coffeeholic:
There is nowhere to be writing EOD or SOD with a digi tacho and your SOD and EOD will be whatever manual entry you make.Your start of duty and end of duty times for your time sheet are local time, so BST one hour later than the tacho time at this time of the year. If you are making manual entries at the start of a shift to cover the time from taking the card out and actual finish time of the previous shift and from the start of the shift until when you got into the truck, then they will be in UTC, same as the tacho.
Unfortunately I work for a (power crazed transport company) who want all their drivers to do a printout after every shift - yep every shift !!
On the rear of the printout is 0 - 24 hours and this is where we enter our relevant SOD & EOD times.
Wheelnut was correct in his original answer that we should enter the SOD & EOD as per the digi printout times and not enter the actual time we entered/ejected the card which would be 1+ hr ahead of the digi times.
Has anybody pointed out to them how much this pointless printing costs I’m paper? I love how technology keeps moving forward yet some companies remain resolutely stuck in the past. I bet they still use fax machines in the office too don’t they!
RuddyAntique:
Coffeeholic:
There is nowhere to be writing EOD or SOD with a digi tacho and your SOD and EOD will be whatever manual entry you make.Your start of duty and end of duty times for your time sheet are local time, so BST one hour later than the tacho time at this time of the year. If you are making manual entries at the start of a shift to cover the time from taking the card out and actual finish time of the previous shift and from the start of the shift until when you got into the truck, then they will be in UTC, same as the tacho.
Unfortunately I work for a (power crazed transport company) who want all their drivers to do a printout after every shift - yep every shift !!
On the rear of the printout is 0 - 24 hours and this is where we enter our relevant SOD & EOD times.
Wheelnut was correct in his original answer that we should enter the SOD & EOD as per the digi printout times and not enter the actual time we entered/ejected the card which would be 1+ hr ahead of the digi times.
I would leave that firm, they haven’t got a clue. VOSA wouldn’t even look at those printouts if they came round to do an inspection, they aren’t required under any legislation so have about as much relevance as the toilet roll in the bogs.
Coffeeholic:
I would leave that firm, they haven’t got a clue. VOSA wouldn’t even look at those printouts if they came round to do an inspection, they aren’t required under any legislation so have about as much relevance as the toilet roll in the bogs.
I wouldn’t be so sure Coffee - you may not be aware of this:
REGULATION (EC) No 942/2011 OF THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT AND OF THE COUNCIL of 15 March 2011 on the harmonisation of certain social legislation relating to road transport and amending Council Regulations (EEC) No 3842/85 (Text with EEA relevance)
THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT AND THE COUNCIL OF THE EUROPEAN UNION,
Having regard to the Treaty establishing the European Community, and in particular Article 71 thereof,
Having regard to the proposal from the Commission (1),
Having regard to the opinion of the European Economic and Social Committee (2),
After consulting the Committee of the Regions,
Acting in accordance with the procedure laid down in Article 259 of the Treaty (3), in the light of the joint text approved by the Conciliation Committee on 8 December 2010,
LIABILITY OF TRANSPORT UNDERTAKINGS
Article 10
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A transport undertaking shall not give drivers it employs or put at their disposal any facilities or the use of any personal hygiene equipment without taking into account the tax liability of such use.
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The use of all paper products in lavatories (otherwise referred to as bumphodder) is to be recorded so that the relevant tax authorities can be advised.
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A transport undertaking shall organise the work of drivers referred to in paragraph 1 in such a way that the drivers are able to comply with Regulation (EEC) No 3821/85 and Chapter II of this Regulation. The transport undertaking shall shall make regular checks to ensure that Regulation (EEC) No 3821/85 and Chapter II of this Regulation are complied with.
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A transport undertaking shall be liable for infringements committed by drivers of the undertaking, even if the infringement was committed on the territory of another Member State or a third country. Without prejudice to the right of Member States to hold transport undertakings fully liable, Member States may make this liability conditional on the undertaking’s infringement of paragraphs 1 and 2. Member States may consider any evidence that the transport undertaking cannot reasonably be held responsible for the infringement committed.
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Undertakings, consignors, freight forwarders, tour operators, principal contractors, subcontractors and driver employment agencies shall ensure that contractually agreed suppliers schedules respect this Regulation.
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(a) A transport undertaking which uses conveniences that are fitted with cleaning equipment complying with Annex IB of Regulation (EEC) No 3821/85 and that fall within the scope of this Regulation, shall:
(i) ensure that all data are downloaded from the dispensing equipment unit and drivers properly record such use regularly as is stipulated by the Member State
(ii) ensure that all data downloaded from both the dispensing equipment unit and driver’s record are kept for at least 12 months following recording and, should an inspecting officer request it, such data are accessible, either directly or remotely, from the premises of the undertaking;
(b) for the purposes of this paragraph ‘downloaded’ shall be interpreted in accordance with the definition laid down in Annex IB, Chapter I, point (s) of Regulation (EEC) No 3821/85;
Santa:
Coffeeholic:
I would leave that firm, they haven’t got a clue. VOSA wouldn’t even look at those printouts if they came round to do an inspection, they aren’t required under any legislation so have about as much relevance as the toilet roll in the bogs.
I wouldn’t be so sure Coffee - you may not be aware of this:
REGULATION (EC) No 942/2011 OF THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT AND OF THE COUNCIL of 15 March 2011 on the harmonisation of certain social legislation relating to road transport and amending Council Regulations (EEC) No 3842/85 (Text with EEA relevance)
THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT AND THE COUNCIL OF THE EUROPEAN UNION,
Having regard to the Treaty establishing the European Community, and in particular Article 71 thereof,
Having regard to the proposal from the Commission (1),
Having regard to the opinion of the European Economic and Social Committee (2),
After consulting the Committee of the Regions,
Acting in accordance with the procedure laid down in Article 259 of the Treaty (3), in the light of the joint text approved by the Conciliation Committee on 8 December 2010,
LIABILITY OF TRANSPORT UNDERTAKINGSArticle 10
A transport undertaking shall not give drivers it employs or put at their disposal any facilities or the use of any personal hygiene equipment without taking into account the tax liability of such use.
The use of all paper products in lavatories (otherwise referred to as bumphodder) is to be recorded so that the relevant tax authorities can be advised.
A transport undertaking shall organise the work of drivers referred to in paragraph 1 in such a way that the drivers are able to comply with Regulation (EEC) No 3821/85 and Chapter II of this Regulation. The transport undertaking shall shall make regular checks to ensure that Regulation (EEC) No 3821/85 and Chapter II of this Regulation are complied with.
A transport undertaking shall be liable for infringements committed by drivers of the undertaking, even if the infringement was committed on the territory of another Member State or a third country. Without prejudice to the right of Member States to hold transport undertakings fully liable, Member States may make this liability conditional on the undertaking’s infringement of paragraphs 1 and 2. Member States may consider any evidence that the transport undertaking cannot reasonably be held responsible for the infringement committed.
Undertakings, consignors, freight forwarders, tour operators, principal contractors, subcontractors and driver employment agencies shall ensure that contractually agreed suppliers schedules respect this Regulation.
(a) A transport undertaking which uses conveniences that are fitted with cleaning equipment complying with Annex IB of Regulation (EEC) No 3821/85 and that fall within the scope of this Regulation, shall:
(i) ensure that all data are downloaded from the dispensing equipment unit and drivers properly record such use regularly as is stipulated by the Member State
(ii) ensure that all data downloaded from both the dispensing equipment unit and driver’s record are kept for at least 12 months following recording and, should an inspecting officer request it, such data are accessible, either directly or remotely, from the premises of the undertaking;
(b) for the purposes of this paragraph ‘downloaded’ shall be interpreted in accordance with the definition laid down in Annex IB, Chapter I, point (s) of Regulation (EEC) No 3821/85;
My deepest apologies, the bog roll actually has more relevance than these useless printouts. 
Coffeeholic:
Santa:
Coffeeholic:
I would leave that firm, they haven’t got a clue. VOSA wouldn’t even look at those printouts if they came round to do an inspection, they aren’t required under any legislation so have about as much relevance as the toilet roll in the bogs.
I wouldn’t be so sure Coffee - you may not be aware of this:
REGULATION (EC) No 942/2011 OF THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT AND OF THE COUNCIL of 15 March 2011 on the harmonisation of certain social legislation relating to road transport and amending Council Regulations (EEC) No 3842/85 (Text with EEA relevance)
THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT AND THE COUNCIL OF THE EUROPEAN UNION,
Having regard to the Treaty establishing the European Community, and in particular Article 71 thereof,
Having regard to the proposal from the Commission (1),
Having regard to the opinion of the European Economic and Social Committee (2),
After consulting the Committee of the Regions,
Acting in accordance with the procedure laid down in Article 259 of the Treaty (3), in the light of the joint text approved by the Conciliation Committee on 8 December 2010,
LIABILITY OF TRANSPORT UNDERTAKINGSArticle 10
A transport undertaking shall not give drivers it employs or put at their disposal any facilities or the use of any personal hygiene equipment without taking into account the tax liability of such use.
The use of all paper products in lavatories (otherwise referred to as bumphodder) is to be recorded so that the relevant tax authorities can be advised.
A transport undertaking shall organise the work of drivers referred to in paragraph 1 in such a way that the drivers are able to comply with Regulation (EEC) No 3821/85 and Chapter II of this Regulation. The transport undertaking shall shall make regular checks to ensure that Regulation (EEC) No 3821/85 and Chapter II of this Regulation are complied with.
A transport undertaking shall be liable for infringements committed by drivers of the undertaking, even if the infringement was committed on the territory of another Member State or a third country. Without prejudice to the right of Member States to hold transport undertakings fully liable, Member States may make this liability conditional on the undertaking’s infringement of paragraphs 1 and 2. Member States may consider any evidence that the transport undertaking cannot reasonably be held responsible for the infringement committed.
Undertakings, consignors, freight forwarders, tour operators, principal contractors, subcontractors and driver employment agencies shall ensure that contractually agreed suppliers schedules respect this Regulation.
(a) A transport undertaking which uses conveniences that are fitted with cleaning equipment complying with Annex IB of Regulation (EEC) No 3821/85 and that fall within the scope of this Regulation, shall:
(i) ensure that all data are downloaded from the dispensing equipment unit and drivers properly record such use regularly as is stipulated by the Member State
(ii) ensure that all data downloaded from both the dispensing equipment unit and driver’s record are kept for at least 12 months following recording and, should an inspecting officer request it, such data are accessible, either directly or remotely, from the premises of the undertaking;
(b) for the purposes of this paragraph ‘downloaded’ shall be interpreted in accordance with the definition laid down in Annex IB, Chapter I, point (s) of Regulation (EEC) No 3821/85;My deepest apologies, the bog roll actually has more relevance than these useless printouts.
But any sanctions levied will only be classified as a deposit
ruddyantique might as well do a bit of work by writing the SOD&EOD cause i know he dont do much else while at work apart from sleep and eye up the warehouse girls
RuddyAntique:
Unfortunately I work for a (power crazed transport company) who want all their drivers to do a printout after every shift - yep every shift !!On the rear of the printout is 0 - 24 hours and this is where we enter our relevant SOD & EOD times.
Wheelnut was correct in his original answer that we should enter the SOD & EOD as per the digi printout times and not enter the actual time we entered/ejected the card which would be 1+ hr ahead of the digi times.
I think the correct answer is whatever your (obviously very confused) employer wants you to do as there is no correct answer in tacho law due to the printouts being completely unnecessary in the first place.
Paul
As this is a pointless exercise and surely the data is available from the data on your card if somebody with a bit of brains could read it. I’d go for Happy Keith idea of annotating my printouts with UTC or L. 
Coffeeholic:
RuddyAntique:
Coffeeholic:
There is nowhere to be writing EOD or SOD with a digi tacho and your SOD and EOD will be whatever manual entry you make.Your start of duty and end of duty times for your time sheet are local time, so BST one hour later than the tacho time at this time of the year. If you are making manual entries at the start of a shift to cover the time from taking the card out and actual finish time of the previous shift and from the start of the shift until when you got into the truck, then they will be in UTC, same as the tacho.
Unfortunately I work for a (power crazed transport company) who want all their drivers to do a printout after every shift - yep every shift !!
On the rear of the printout is 0 - 24 hours and this is where we enter our relevant SOD & EOD times.
Wheelnut was correct in his original answer that we should enter the SOD & EOD as per the digi printout times and not enter the actual time we entered/ejected the card which would be 1+ hr ahead of the digi times.
I would leave that firm, they haven’t got a clue. VOSA wouldn’t even look at those printouts if they came round to do an inspection, they aren’t required under any legislation so have about as much relevance as the toilet roll in the bogs.
unfortunately Neil… ruddyantique … is one of us !! found this info out tonight .And me explaining what a ■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■ is has not helped matters !! …
jimboy124:
Coffeeholic:
RuddyAntique:
Coffeeholic:
There is nowhere to be writing EOD or SOD with a digi tacho and your SOD and EOD will be whatever manual entry you make.Your start of duty and end of duty times for your time sheet are local time, so BST one hour later than the tacho time at this time of the year. If you are making manual entries at the start of a shift to cover the time from taking the card out and actual finish time of the previous shift and from the start of the shift until when you got into the truck, then they will be in UTC, same as the tacho.
Unfortunately I work for a (power crazed transport company) who want all their drivers to do a printout after every shift - yep every shift !!
On the rear of the printout is 0 - 24 hours and this is where we enter our relevant SOD & EOD times.
Wheelnut was correct in his original answer that we should enter the SOD & EOD as per the digi printout times and not enter the actual time we entered/ejected the card which would be 1+ hr ahead of the digi times.
I would leave that firm, they haven’t got a clue. VOSA wouldn’t even look at those printouts if they came round to do an inspection, they aren’t required under any legislation so have about as much relevance as the toilet roll in the bogs.
unfortunately Neil… ruddyantique … is one of us !! found this info out tonight .And me explaining what a ■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■ is has not helped matters !!
I’m confused, how can he be one of us as he says he is required to do a printout after every shift and that isn’t the case at our place.