I have a few minutes, so I’ll try to answer to some questions:
robinhood_1984:
Biased about what, my support of Britain?! I hardly think so. Orys implied, whether jokingly or not that Poland was intitled to export its labour and transport industry to the west at the detriment of the existing population in those countries, including Britain as recompense for our betrayal of Poland before, during and after WWII.
Just to clarify: this is not what I meant. I mean that you should not be surprised that there are so big differences in development between our countries, which are making that big difference in labour and other costs - as it is a result of the historical events during and after the second world wars, for which Britain was in a big part responsible. It is possible that my English is not good enough to make it clear but it is what I mean. I try to explain it on an example: you decided that Poles are banned from having american cars, and you were all driving big V8 cars and Poles are driving small engined europen cars. Now the petrol prices went up so don’t be suprised that Poles can drive cheaper than you. This is what I mean.
talk of Abbeville is irrelevent as it happened the year after Britain decleared war on Germany.
The Abbeyville conference took place 12th of September 1939, so 12 days after Poland was attacked.
So unless Britain declared war on Germany year before Poland was invaded, or unless you are talking about different Abbeyville conference, you just have no idea about what you are talking about.
If Britain had really had betrayed Poland they’d have just done nothing as per Czechoslovakia in 1938. So I fail to see how Britain owes Poland anything, the fact I’m half German has nothing to do with it.
So what they did which they didn’t when they sold Czechoslovakia to Hitler?
Apart of this silly little war, which is called in British nomenclature “phoney war”. As far as my English allows me to understand that “phoney war” means something like “not real” “fake” etc. So they were PRETENDING that they entered war as they promised. I am stand to be corrected on the language side.
JJSL:
Well, this just go’s to show how well Propaganda works , they were fed [zb] and we were fed [zb]
and what’s really funny, they are still giving all of us BS and it’s the Germans who are still way out in front of everyone !!!
That’s a good observation, the truth is allways somewhere in the middle. But you have to take into consideration, that we were fed with Soviet propaganda up to 1990, so after the changes there was a big overturn in Polish history teachings and everything. And because of that Poland was not allowed to tell the true, it is now very sensitive about the truth and I would say that they pay a lot of attention and try to stick to the historical fact as possible 
welshboyinspain:
I’m with you on this one luke, any meal for the polish MUST include potatoes 
As a matter of fact it’s true that potatoes are very popular in Poland, but off course not every meal must include them. And it might be surprising for many of you, but average Pole consumes only few kgs more of potatoes per head that average Briton - the only difference is that we usually eat them just cooked, while you eat them mostly as chips, which is less healthly.
Ex Haulier:
Our polish friends were also good enough to provide a nice ghetto and some lovely holiday camps for our jewish friends.
If you blame Poles for ghettos, gas chambers and so on, you are proving that you are complete ignorant in history or that you just trying to offend me. There is a word providing a proper description of the person who behave like that, but then it will make more work for our oversensitive mods. So I will just say, that it starts with the same letter as ignorance and it sounds pretty much the same in Polish and in English.
switchlogic:
At this juncture I feel it’s my duty to raise the quality of Polish food issue…
That made me smile 
Point taken, altough (see below)
welshboyinspain:
here we go again 
somebody criticises poland and orys gives us a 40,000 word response about history
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It is not about criticizing Poland, it’s about facts. The subject drifted from the new train to “why the Poles are cheaper” and “is it fair that they are cheaper” and “how they dare to be cheaper” etc. I tried to explain reasons why we are cheaper and that this is not really at your expense, as if the playground was level, you would never able to get so expensive.
Off course I am using the Polish history, because I know it much better than most, if not all, of you, and i think the reasons for that it’s obvious.
You can try me and check if it’s only about defending Poland - if someone started the topic saying how brilliant Poland was in 1920 when it stopped Bolsheviks from getting west, I would put the same effort to teach you some not commonly known facts from our history about how we betrayed Ukraine (we did to them a similar thing to what you later did to us). Every country has some cards in its history of which it should be ashamed.
Even if Ex Haulier wasn’t such trying to make me angry (which failed, I don’t think I can get angry becaose someone makes idiotic statement on the internet) I could tell him the truth about the relations between Poles and Jews. The whole truth - about antisemitic movements before the word, about how many people helped jews risking their own lives under German occupations (see who have most , about that most of the people prefered just to worry about their own problems, as live under ■■■■ occupation was hard enough for them, and how the small minority turned against Jews (see Jedwabne for example: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jedwabne_pogrom ). As i said all nations have some dirty card in its history it should be ashamed of, and I am not going to hide them from you. But Poland was responsible for Holocaust as much, as Ex Haulier is responsible for AIDS epidemy.
