Carryfast:
Winseer:
That’s actually kinda scary - because it implies that the EU has another decade left to it - even once we’re gone. 
Not if out means out no ifs no buts the sooner the better.Hopefully including a change to a more Eurosceptic more cooperative domestic political climate along the lines of a Eurosceptic Con/UKIP/Lab coalition in which we re focus back on our place in EFTA.Possibly followed by Frexit and Danexit.Inevitably followed by Merkel being kicked out. 
No, that’s not what I meant. I was thinking that Brexit will kill the EU dead, and cause it to fall apart all over the place - tipping point reached with our leaving.
If it managed to “carry on regardless” for another decade though, NOT brought down by Brexit - That’s scary, and implies that it’s managed to leech even more money out of the remaining contenders, too afraid to run out the door after us… France for starters!
Winseer:
No, that’s not what I meant. I was thinking that Brexit will kill the EU dead, and cause it to fall apart all over the place - tipping point reached with our leaving.
If it managed to “carry on regardless” for another decade though, NOT brought down by Brexit - That’s scary, and implies that it’s managed to leech even more money out of the remaining contenders, too afraid to run out the door after us… France for starters!
From our point of view would we need to care what they do.Although it’s difficult to see what advantages there would be for France in staying in if we leave.As for Germany it seems obvious that it would finally have to get back to a fairer situation of not basing its prosperity on an unsustainable trade surplus just as we need to ■■■■■ our import bill.Most of that applying whether we stay or leave.
As for the leave campaign I think they really need to take the gloves off and kick Cameron out ‘before’ the referendum.
I’m voting leave. Got my postal vote through the post yesterday.
UK has a lot of history with Europe. Most of it spent preventing them from taking control of us. I wont be part of a generation that lets Europe take total control.
sinclair89:
UK has a lot of history with Europe. Most of it spent preventing them from taking control of us. I wont be part of a generation that lets Europe take total control.
This is the point most people fail/choose not to see. The remain campaign are federalists wrapped in liberal ideology
OVLOV JAY:
This is the point most people fail/choose not to see. The remain campaign are federalists wrapped in liberal ideology
More like Soviet Socialists hiding under numerous different aliases and flags of convenience.