So how are you all coping with

[jonah_1]

RobK:
Er, your selective memory seems to be playing up again Paul. I’ve listed plenty that pay a quid a mile or less

You’ve listed some companies you think pay £1 per mile

RobK:
no I’m no expert,

True (although you speak as if you think you are) as I’ve already discounted 2 of the names from your list.

RobK:
but I doubt that Neil will have made the figures up considering he’s got more experience as an o/d than the lot of you put together.

True again

RobK:
Why are you getting so uppety about it anyway? Is the truth finally starting to hurt, Sean, Paul?

I’m not getting “uppety” as you say. I just hear you knocking every O/D (sorry 99%) but you dont ever seem to back up what you say with hard fact or offer any constructive advice.
How many O/D’s have you come across who set their rates?

Yet you blame them for pulling the rates down in the industry!

Not the big companies that work on 2% profit margins then eh?

RobK:
It doesn’t bother me one way or the other.

Yet it seems to be your favourite subject ,When you cant think of anything else to moan about you come on the O/D’s & Fleet forum to have a dig at somthing you clearly know nothing about.

RobK:
I’m not running about with a wagon for 300hrs per week trying to break even and happily filling up a wagon at a quid a litre like you lot are.

Thats funny 'coz neither am I

RobK:
You carry on dragging the transport industry down whilst not giving a toss for the rest of us who are struggling to find decent paying work because you lot are running about for 63p-£1 per mile.

Now you know people who are running for £0.63 per mile next they’ll be doing it for nothing but still be in business somehow.
What you seem to forget is if the rates are not viable one of two things happen

1 you find a rate that is or

2 the business collapses

So if the business collapses then no O/D dragging you down If you get a better rate then no O/D dragging you down

RobK:
I think the appropriate phrase to some up the majority of owner driver’s is, “head stuck in the sand”.

Or “forgive him for he knows not of what he speaks”

[paul_b]

i don’t know wether robs just on a wind up or he actually believes what he posts?
i do know to comment on “all” o/d’s you’d have to have a vast knowledge of the industry, i know what i and to some extent what the other subbies on the same work earn but the bloke on tippers or fridge work? i wouldn’t really have a clue!
i also know that nobody can keep going for any lengh of time if their not making it pay and i know if somebodies on a nice earner they’re not going to go out of the way to advertise the fact!
but for some reason theres one or two who seem to think they’re in a position to tell someone they,ve never met what his business is earning, based on what? i’m not to sure, not even the firm i sub off know exactly what i earn out of the job.

[big_truck]

Rob K “£1 per litre for fuel”
From my last invoice for fuel on the 31/8/05 I filled up for 62p/litre for diesel some 200 yards from the UK.
Even if I was working for £1/mile (which I’m not!!) do you think I still "have my head stuck in the sand " Rob

[rob_k]

north surrey haulage:
Well I should remember if I told you I was working for £1 or less per mile but seeing as I have never worked for £1 per mile I think it would be highly unlikely I said that (unless making a sarcastic remark )

Well Sean, it appears that you too have a very selective memory. With your permission I will happily quote from the PM you sent me regarding Hanbury Davies a little while ago . Additionally, Stuart Weyman at HD told me himself that it works out between a quid and a quid ten per mile.

Maritime : I know the owner of Dash Transport in Cleckheaton and he pulls for Maritime. He confirmed that what they pay works out a fraction over a quid a mile.

If you don’t believe what the others pay then you really do have your head stuck in the sand and don’t have a clue what you’re talking about!

Anyway, how’s your new £80,000 Volvo?

[jonah_1]

Ok Rob you have my permission to display the pm I sent you in full and nowhere in that pm will you find me saying I work for a quid a mile.

So who’s got the selective memory?

If you give your permission I’ll even copy it here for ya!

Whose Stuart Weyman when he’s at home ? I’ve never heard of him.

Oh and you still havn’t answered my questions!

[rob_k]

north surrey haulage:
If you have a 44t plated motor they pay £1.09 p/m
If it is less than 44t then it’s £1.06 pm

Give or take a few pence, a quid a mile.

I rest my case .

[repton]

Rob K:

north surrey haulage:
If you have a 44t plated motor they pay £1.09 p/m
If it is less than 44t then it’s £1.06 pm

Give or take a few pence, a quid a mile.

I rest my case .

You “rest” your case? You’ve just specifically disproved it by quoting that you get 9% more per mile than your mythical “quid” figure. 9p a mile might not seem like much but at 1500 miles a week that’s a nice fat 7 grand a year which is easily the difference between a loss and a profit.

Paul

[jonah_1]

Rob K:

north surrey haulage:
If you have a 44t plated motor they pay £1.09 p/m
If it is less than 44t then it’s £1.06 pm

Give or take a few pence, a quid a mile.

I rest my case .

Oh my god because it has only got a 1 next to the pound sign it’s only a pound then.

So the fact that all those .09p’s add up to 135pound on a minimum week dont count then.
It’s still not 1 pound per mile so you still havn’t backed up what you were saying who do you know who works for one pound per mile

I dont know about resting your case - you should try winning your argument first.

Oh in case you hadn’t noticed I dont work for those rates anymore!

[rob_k]

Well it’s closer to a quid a mile than £1.50 or £2 is, is it not?

Talk about splitting hairs over a couple of pence . What you gonna do with the extra pennies? Buy yourself an extra Mars Bar a week ?

[jj72]

Rob K:
Archbold’s, who in turn are doing the job for DANA (who are paying Archbold’s circa £4000 per trip) and making an absolute killing out of it.

nail on head - that statement shows how much idea you actually have about transport apart from aiming a wagon (rather hairily most of the time judging by your various escapades) for the highest bidder

[wheel_nut]

Container rates were £0.82 per mile traction only, paid on AA milage plus 7% and no trailer hire,

Doesnt that make my post relevant now?

These were the rates paid to me in 1986 by Bailee Freight Services of Stokesley, If I worked for Nijman Zeetank I was getting 90p on straight AA mileage running at 38tonne

[jonah_1]

Rob K:
Well it’s closer to a quid a mile than £1.50 or £2 is, is it not?

DOH! but it’s not a quid per mile is it which is what you told everybody on here I work for (oh by the way are you going to appologise for calling a liar over that ?:-

RobK:

north surrey haulage:
Well I should remember if I told you I was working for £1 or less per mile but seeing as I have never worked for £1 per mile I think it would be highly unlikely I said that (unless making a sarcastic remark )

Well Sean, it appears that you too have a very selective memory. With your permission I will happily quote from the PM you sent me regarding Hanbury Davies a little while ago

)

& is your figure that you keep coming up with that 99% of O/D’s are working for but havn’t managed to come with 1 person who does.

RobK:
Talk about splitting hairs over a couple of pence . What you gonna do with the extra pennies? Buy yourself an extra Mars Bar a week ?

I would have thought that 135 pound minimum per week would buy a lot of mars bars wouldn’t you?

but we are still avoiding you answering my earlier question arn’t we?

Show us how much you think it costs to run a 44t truck for a year & how much you would estimate to make in profit @ your magical £1.50 p/m

[paul_b]

rob, you get the feeling your digging yourself a hole you can’t get out of?

[paul_b]

Wheel Nut:

Container rates were £0.82 per mile traction only, paid on AA milage plus 7% and no trailer hire,

Doesnt that make my post relevant now?

These were the rates paid to me in 1986 by Bailee Freight Services of Stokesley, If I worked for Nijman Zeetank I was getting 90p on straight AA mileage running at 38tonne

it’s totally irrevelant what it used to be like, we can all remenise about days gone by, in 1985 i was working on dartford freight terminal and taking home £400 a week, try and find a labourer thats taking that home now after the goverment stopped everyone being self employed!
so does that mean no one in the building game should go to work today?
those of us in the job are dealing with todays rates and costs not those of twenty years ago.

[alix776]

this week i nearly went self employed with my own motor for 50ppm but the job fell through oh well one ill get my own

[rob_k]

alix776:
this week i nearly went self employed with my own motor for 50ppm but the job fell through oh well one ill get my own

[alix776]

no rob it true and id have made a good living on it

[denis_f]

something like this Alix

[alix776]

nnnnnoooooo but i does have more wheeles than that

[mrreliable]

I used to run a Tractor unit on traction work at £1.10 a mile at 44t .In ten months it did 122,000 miles .Nearly half of what it earn’t went in the tank !!!.
I now run a VW LT35 lwb hi-roof van on 90p a mile on courier work.Nine times out of ten I can find a return load at nearly the same rates.The van does 28 mpg over 3/4 of what it earns goes in my pocket !
Running an artic is no fun especially in the current climate with the current fuel prices.
It depends what work you have for your truck and when you get paid for it ,as there are enough comedians out there wanting you to run for buttons and then don’t pay you .A friend runs a unit on traction work at a pound a mile guaranteed £300 a day.Some days he does 100 miles for his £300 this pays very well !!!.
I for one laugh at the guys on here who have NEVER had a go at the o/d side of this business,yet proclaim to know all the ins and out’s !
Until you have had a go you know nothing !!!