So how are you all coping with

I set-up as an OD at the begining of this year and I am quite happy with my lot. It’s not made me a great deal of money in its first 6 months, but there are very few new starts that go into profit straight away - but I’m happy with how things are going.

One thing which seems to be missing from this discussion is the lifestyle choice. If I was thinking about money alone, a nice job packing shelves in B&Q would pay more, especially given the hours worked. But being an OD is my choice. Its not for everyone, you need abit of drive and gumption to make it work.

Driving to Spain each week is not the best route to financial independance, but its certainly alot more interesting than many jobs I could do. And if it all goes ***s up, I’ve tried. I’ll sell the truck and move on. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

I’ve done runs to Barcelona for £1900 - not much profit there, but costs are covered, and runs to Amsterdam for £3000 - a nice profitable couple of days. Forget the £1 per mile issue, look for the work the suits and pays.

Although everyone is entitled to thier opinion, being an OD is not for everyone, you need some drive and an open mind - something which many people lack!

wise words, mate :wink:

Plambert:
I set-up as an OD at the begining of this year and I am quite happy with my lot. It’s not made me a great deal of money in its first 6 months, but there are very few new starts that go into profit straight away - but I’m happy with how things are going.

One thing which seems to be missing from this discussion is the lifestyle choice. If I was thinking about money alone, a nice job packing shelves in B&Q would pay more, especially given the hours worked. But being an OD is my choice. Its not for everyone, you need abit of drive and gumption to make it work.

Driving to Spain each week is not the best route to financial independance, but its certainly alot more interesting than many jobs I could do. And if it all goes ***s up, I’ve tried. I’ll sell the truck and move on. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

I’ve done runs to Barcelona for £1900 - not much profit there, but costs are covered, and runs to Amsterdam for £3000 - a nice profitable couple of days. Forget the £1 per mile issue, look for the work the suits and pays.

Although everyone is entitled to thier opinion, being an OD is not for everyone, you need some drive and an open mind - something which many people lack!

well said, mind you i’d be wary of overpaid runs to amsterdam mate :wink: :laughing:

well said, mind you i’d be wary of overpaid runs to amsterdam mate

The man said it was just talc, but I’ve never seen it put there!

Talc…to Amsterdam…could be talking through your nose there…i was offered that load myself…when i saw the company ( k. Moss )…i declined… :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:
not everything is Cracked up to be…

paul b:
rob, you get the feeling your digging yourself a hole you can’t get out of?

I think we are now working on the “ignore it and it will go away” theory :laughing: :laughing:

:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Wrong! I will return with figures. I just can’t be arsed setting it all out right now, detail by detail, as I’m sure you will get your magnifying glasses out when I post.

Suffice to say that the costs involved still equate to not being able to make any decent money out of it, just like I’ve been saying all along :unamused: . Don’t forget that I have spent quite a bit of time thinking of starting up at one point so I’m far from the “you know nothing, you’ve never done it” geezer you think.

RobK
With the greatest of respect you can do all the sums on paper and put together a nice little business plan for the man at the bank BUT until you are in business and earning you don’t really have a clue about earnings.
Your profits can be affected by no end of different things,rdc delays,bad weather,sickness,accidents,vehicle breakdowns and countless other things .
How are you going to show all of this ?
N.S.H got sideswiped on the A14 not long after he started.How do you allow for this ?
There are lots of o/d on the road, all doing different work at different rates all make a living.It just depends how much of a living you need to make.
Having had a go there are far easier less and less stressful ways to make money !

MrReliable:
RobK
With the greatest of respect you can do all the sums on paper and put together a nice little business plan for the man at the bank BUT until you are in business and earning you don’t really have a clue about earnings.
Your profits can be affected by no end of different things,rdc delays,bad weather,sickness,accidents,vehicle breakdowns and countless other things .
How are you going to show all of this ?
N.S.H got sideswiped on the A14 not long after he started.How do you allow for this ?
There are lots of o/d on the road, all doing different work at different rates all make a living.It just depends how much of a living you need to make.
Having had a go there are far easier less and less stressful ways to make money !

That’s what I’ve been trying to tell them all along but they insisted on having it all laid out on paper, not me.

The end result is that they’re still running about doing 80hrs per week for a quid a mile. :unamused:

Rob K:
The end result is that they’re still running about doing 80hrs per week for a quid a mile. :unamused:

So, why does it bother you what other people do? As has been said before, there are many more reasons for working for yourself than money.

None of my trucks earn £1.00 per mile, I couldn’t survive at that rate, but if others can, good luck to them.

Rob, unless your intent on joining the happy band of Operators out here, just shut up your moaning will you. (No offence meant :wink: )

Gentlemen disbelivers, it is possible to make a liveing as many of the
owner drivers will state yes there are all ways problems to be overcome
but the majority of the ownerdrivers has made some plans for when the bad times appear,also if the contract under which one drives is not fesible then do you honestly think that people would work , i think not,
This is asubject upon which every one has their own veiws but just because
some does not belive it is worth while for him/her, does not necessarily
mean we all have to follow like lemmings■■?

Robk only takes a Mr Angry approach to anything on here to keep the number of posts up.He’s probably got money on getting to 10000 somewhere ! :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

MrReliable:
Robk only takes a Mr Angry approach to anything on here to keep the number of posts up.He’s probably got money on getting to 10000 somewhere ! :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

No. Convoy’s the one with money on the most posts before the end of the year :

GOOD READ AND NICE PICS MRRELIABLE :smiley:

:laughing:

Rob K:
The end result is that they’re still running about doing 80hrs per week for a quid a mile. :unamused:

Back to square one again & his imaginary quid a mile.

Some people just get somthing in there head and wont accept any other opinion.

I give up. (on this subject anyway.)
We all know what we earn if sombody who has never been there & done it thinks he knows better then let 'im live in his little world.

north surrey haulage:
Back to square one again & his imaginary quid a mile.

Ah yes, the imaginary quid a mile :

north surrey haulage:
If you have a 44t plated motor they pay £1.09 p/m
If it is less than 44t then it’s £1.06 pm

So, less your daily Mars Bar :laughing: , you’ve admitted yourself that you’re working for a quid a mile. :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: - just what I’ve been saying all along :unamused: .

Can’t understand why all you quid-a-mile owner driver’s are getting so wound up anyway. If you’re so sure and happy that you’re earning so much more money then you shouldn’t feel the need to prove it to anyone that reads the thread :bulb: . I think it’s a case of ‘the truth hurts’ but you aren’t man enough to admit it :stuck_out_tongue: .

rob, you,ve inadvertently hit the the old nail on the head, point being nobody feels the need to prove what they are earning and nobody will ever post figures on a public forum just to prove a point!
you claim to have worked out some figures, presumably on £1 per mile and state you think thats not viable, well, heres the NEWS, nor does anyone else :bulb:
so dosn’t that give you just THE slightest inkling that we’re actually working for a fair bit more than that :question:

to be honest fella, i’ve got a bit tired of being told i’m an idiot so perhaps we should leave it there.

Rob K:

north surrey haulage:
Back to square one again & his imaginary quid a mile.

Ah yes, the imaginary quid a mile :

north surrey haulage:
If you have a 44t plated motor they pay £1.09 p/m
If it is less than 44t then it’s £1.06 pm

So, less your daily Mars Bar :laughing: , you’ve admitted yourself that you’re working for a quid a mile. :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: - just what I’ve been saying all along :unamused: .

I really dont think you are that dumb Rob so I will assume you are just trying to wind everyone up

BUT just in case a quick maths lesson

100 + 9 = 109
not
100 + 9 = 100

A quid = 100 pence

therefore If (which I dont) I worked for 109 p/m then it is patently not a “quid” per mile

Otherwise using your logic you would only be earning 10 p/h for nights not 10.49
losing 19.60 per week out of your wage packet.

Now thatreally is mars bar money.

Robk:
Can’t understand why all you quid-a-mile owner driver’s are getting so wound up anyway.

Cant be any of us being wound up because as far as can recall nobody who has posted on here is working for a quid p/m

Robk:
If you’re so sure and happy that you’re earning so much more money then you shouldn’t feel the need to prove it to anyone that reads the thread :bulb: .

I think I can safely say I’m happy doing what I do for a living unlike you afterall I’m not the one who er left the industry

Robk:
I think it’s a case of ‘the truth hurts’ but you aren’t man enough to admit it :stuck_out_tongue: .

I think what hurts is a know all - know nothing t inking they know more about our business’s than we do.
If you are the bearer of the knowledge of all things haulage then why not put your money where your mouth is & show us all how it’s done?

Your profits can be affected by no end of different things,rdc delays,bad weather,sickness,accidents,vehicle breakdowns and countless other things .

Just a quick one here,i can understand the others bar this one

rdc delays

Surely as an o/d you would have put something in place before you took the job on that if you get held up ( through no fault of your own) at any RDC then let’s say after the 1st hour you would charge the sender (ie from where you collected good’s ) for the time spent there.As that’s what we do in that situation,if any rdc goes 1hr past there book in time we will contact the sender and ask them if they are willing to pay waiting time,if not i’m pulled out and the sender re-book’s the good’s which will be charged accordingly for another delivery.I have a funny feeling what answer’s i;ll get,but you never know you’s might surprise me. :laughing:

north surrey haulage:
If you are the bearer of the knowledge of all things haulage then why not put your money where your mouth is & show us all how it’s done?

Because the difference between many owner driver’s (including yourself) and myself is that I was born with a brain and know how to use it :unamused: .

I don’t sit there scratching my head watching the fuel prices quickly soar to a quid a litre while I’m pulling boxes about for a quid a mile (take a few pence) and then suddenly decide the best way to solve my problems would be to go out and spend 80 grand on a brand new souped up motor :unamused: . What a bright idea that was.

Then after it’s been delivered watch it spend more time in the garage than on the road earning money, believing that Volvo really are interested in keeping their one-man-band owner driver’s happy :unamused: and will fix it for me :unamused: , whilst I just sit there losing potential earnings hand over fist and expecting it all to magically right itself one day :unamused: .

As for showing you how it’s done, that will never happen because I can see perfectly clearly that the figures don’t add up on paper and that’s even before factoring in any “unexpected” things like breakdowns, accidents etc.

When my Old Man was alive (roughly 20 years ago), he worked closely with an owner driver in Leeds (believe the bloke was called Harry Westerman t/as H.Westerman Transport or something like that; now long gone anyway) and back then they used to make some good money because in comparison to what rates are now, they were good. Every time the fuel price went up, the cost was passed on the customer. This went well until all the under-cutting started a few years later which has carried on right up to this current day. Westerman could instantly see the way the industry was heading - as could my Old Man - and they didn’t waste any time in wrapping the company up. Best decision they ever made.

With the exception of Paul and a few others, the rest of you work for the rate that your customer dictates to you and if you don’t like it, tough [zb], go elsewhere. You try passing on a fuel surcharge to your customer and they’ll laugh at you - lots. Bizarrely though, you just keep taking whatever [zb] they throw at you and continue to run circles round them working for the same fixed rate while everything else in the industry goes up in price which you have to foot the tab for. What exactly are you holding out for? The “magical” day when suddenly the rates are going to jump from a quid a mile to a fiver a mile (which is probably not far off what they would be if the rates from 20-30 years ago had gone up in line with inflation, fuel prices and everything else)? You’re never going to make anymore money out of it. All that’s going to happen is you’re going to continue to be squeezed tighter and tighter by rising costs while the mileage rates stay fixed, until the point comes when you’re running at a loss where ever you go and eventually you wind up bankrupt and several hundred thousand quid out of pocket. Then you’ll be wishing you took notice of this thread instead of knocking it because “Rob K knows [zb] all because he’s never done it”. :unamused:

That’s the hard truth of the matter, so why do you continue to put up with it when it’s never going to get any better? Why is it only me that can see it? Are all you owner driver’s blind FFS ? :unamused:

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