It’s 2021, we are arguably, now more than ever essential (via the shortage) to keeping the country on its feet, so why do the vast majority of us not get full sick pay?
I think this should be brought to the attention of the masses. Everyone outwith our industry that I’ve spoken to about it are very surprised.
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Roverman:
It’s 2021, we are arguably, now more than ever essential (via the shortage) to keeping the country on its feet, so why do the vast majority of us not get full sick pay?
I think this should be brought to the attention of the masses. Everyone outwith our industry that I’ve spoken to about it are very surprised.Sent from my M2007J3SG using Tapatalk
A simple and accurate answer to this that will not go down too well with the majority opinions and views on here.
Because the ‘vast majority’ of drivers of which you speak, work at firms that are non union.
You will find that in the vast majority of cases, that those who work for Union recognised firms do receive sick pay, as well as other far superior t.s and c.s that these guys get.
But Unions are outdated and all for themselves apparentlly.
You’re welcome.
I get sick pay, once qualified, at my place. It wasn’t a factor in deciding but its a nice safety net if needed. It’s a safety net I’ve not had for a good few years.
At my last place the Polish office bod informed me that most Eastern Europe countries give a 12 month sick period on full pay which gradually whittles down to avoid obvious ‘lead-swinging’ scenarios, on a gradiated basis, because they acknowledge the realities of trying to recover from illness not exactly being compatible with being simultaneously hammered by grinding poverty and impending bankruptcy, another way to describe S.S.P I would venture. I believe this is a throwback to their mostly communistic systems of governance and certainly must have underpinned their confident deployment to our shores, to locust on our dysfunctional and ripe for the picking ‘economic model’, including the fairly convenient lR 35 top-cover they had at their disposal. Ever feel you’ve been screwed 
?
manalishi:
including the fairly convenient lR 35 top-cover they had at their disposal. Ever feel you’ve been screwed
Blame your own gov’t for allowing it for so long even if it was widespread knowledge that it was being abused. They even postponed it by a year because of covid, lmao!
manalishi:
At my last place the Polish office bod informed me that most Eastern Europe countries give a 12 month sick period on full pay which gradually whittles down to avoid obvious ‘lead-swinging’ scenarios, on a gradiated basis, because they acknowledge the realities of trying to recover from illness not exactly being compatible with being simultaneously hammered by grinding poverty and impending bankruptcy, another way to describe S.S.P I would venture. I believe this is a throwback to their mostly communistic systems of governance and certainly must have underpinned their confident deployment to our shores, to locust on our dysfunctional and ripe for the picking ‘economic model’, including the fairly convenient lR 35 top-cover they had at their disposal. Ever feel you’ve been screwed
So, these Poles were keen to leave a country with good benefits to rush here with our worse benefits?
Good benefits being, in your opinion, a result of Communism? What of the Nordic Nations and their benefit systems?
ETS:
manalishi:
including the fairly convenient lR 35 top-cover they had at their disposal. Ever feel you’ve been screwedBlame your own gov’t for allowing it for so long even if it was widespread knowledge that it was being abused. They even postponed it by a year because of covid, lmao!
Heaven forbid that a Gov would stamp down on tax fraud by “Mondeo Man”! Think how many votes would be lost.
DHL sick pay after 3 years service,is iirc,16 weeks full pay,then 16 weeks half pay. they looked after me when i had a non work related accident at home.after 10 years service,it’s 6 months full pay then 6 months half pay. i believe RM pay 12 months full pay after a period of service.
robroy:
Roverman:
It’s 2021, we are arguably, now more than ever essential (via the shortage) to keeping the country on its feet, so why do the vast majority of us not get full sick pay?
I think this should be brought to the attention of the masses. Everyone outwith our industry that I’ve spoken to about it are very surprised.Sent from my M2007J3SG using Tapatalk
A simple and accurate answer to this that will not go down too well with the majority opinions and views on here.
Because the ‘vast majority’ of drivers of which you speak, work at firms that are non union.
You will find that in the vast majority of cases, that those who work for Union recognised firms do receive sick pay, as well as other far superior t.s and c.s that these guys get.
But Unions are outdated and all for themselves apparentlly.You’re welcome.
Don’t know about all the xpo contracts but all drivers who started after xpo took over are contract are on worse contracts than the existing drivers including only getting ssp instead of full sick pay . Ours is a union recognised firm and this is totally legal and nothing the union can do about it , so therefore the firms that contract out the original t’s and c’s will bear not much remblance after a few expert logistics firms have whittled them down .
robroy:
Roverman:
It’s 2021, we are arguably, now more than ever essential (via the shortage) to keeping the country on its feet, so why do the vast majority of us not get full sick pay?
I think this should be brought to the attention of the masses. Everyone outwith our industry that I’ve spoken to about it are very surprised.Sent from my M2007J3SG using Tapatalk
A simple and accurate answer to this that will not go down too well with the majority opinions and views on here.
Because the ‘vast majority’ of drivers of which you speak, work at firms that are non union.
You will find that in the vast majority of cases, that those who work for Union recognised firms do receive sick pay, as well as other far superior t.s and c.s that these guys get.
But Unions are outdated and all for themselves apparentlly.You’re welcome.
So you voted Tory…
ETS:
manalishi:
including the fairly convenient lR 35 top-cover they had at their disposal. Ever feel you’ve been screwedBlame your own gov’t for allowing it for so long even if it was widespread knowledge that it was being abused. They even postponed it by a year because of covid, lmao!
Hey dude, not apportioning any blame here l don’t blame anyone for ‘raising their boats’ on any economic tide, not one iota. I met some fine sons of Poland, Hungary etc at my last employment, but your observations of our UK government; nest of Westminster-reptiles is an easy/obvious target. Their standing here is as low; as low can go. Corporate puppets, spawn of Lucifer. The Muslim Brotherhood seem to have seized the high grounds of UK politics now in this once fine country, not a coincidence every man and his dog are washing up in Dover every ■■■■ day. 
@Darkside aka the one trick pony. 
Oh ffs mate,.EVERY ■■■■ time. 
Give it a rest man, you’re mildly annoying me and seriously boring me simultaneously.
I’ve explained countless times to you why I (reluctantly) voted Tory.
Not because I feel the need to answer to the likes of you, but in a vain attempt to get you to shut the ■■■■ up about it.
Cheers.
Franglais:
manalishi:
At my last place the Polish office bod informed me that most Eastern Europe countries give a 12 month sick period on full pay which gradually whittles down to avoid obvious ‘lead-swinging’ scenarios, on a gradiated basis, because they acknowledge the realities of trying to recover from illness not exactly being compatible with being simultaneously hammered by grinding poverty and impending bankruptcy, another way to describe S.S.P I would venture. I believe this is a throwback to their mostly communistic systems of governance and certainly must have underpinned their confident deployment to our shores, to locust on our dysfunctional and ripe for the picking ‘economic model’, including the fairly convenient lR 35 top-cover they had at their disposal. Ever feel you’ve been screwedSo, these Poles were keen to leave a country with good benefits to rush here with our worse benefits?
Good benefits being, in your opinion, a result of Communism? What of the Nordic Nations and their benefit systems?
ETS:
manalishi:
including the fairly convenient lR 35 top-cover they had at their disposal. Ever feel you’ve been screwedBlame your own gov’t for allowing it for so long even if it was widespread knowledge that it was being abused. They even postponed it by a year because of covid, lmao!
Heaven forbid that a Gov would stamp down on tax fraud by “Mondeo Man”! Think how many votes would be lost.
The kind of inevitable riposte expected from TNUK’s premier Leftwaffe- Reichsmarshall.Calcified in a permanent Libtard echo chamber.
77th Brigade perchance?.. maybe their Territorial branch?
The wages have gone up for most of us now, albeit to where they should’ve been 5 years ago or so, I think the terms and conditions need to follow suit. Now is probably the best chance we have of achieving this…
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Roverman:
The wages have gone up for most of us now, albeit to where they should’ve been 5 years ago or so, I think the terms and conditions need to follow suit. Now is probably the best chance we have of achieving this…Sent from my M2007J3SG using Tapatalk
Shame it took an alleged pandemic to make this much ground, but more pertinently let’s just hope that the tried and trusted weapon of old (inflation) isn’t deployed too liberally for a sharp ‘correction’ to this…unusual scenario.
Roverman:
I think this should be brought to the attention of the masses
As the vast majority of people outside the industry won’t get more than SSP I seriously doubt they’ll give a toss. Might get it in management level jobs or salary jobs, but cant see most employers wanting the potential extra financial load.
You can get an option with Unite specifically intended for drivers I believe for effectively sick pay cover although not costed it yet as you have to have all sorts of cover below this to qualify. Ok you have to pay for it, but you have to pay for union subs anyway to have the union in theory backing you in pay negotiations.
unitedrivercare.org.uk/categorie … efits.html
Also I wouldn’t try trumpeting the “you need us” card too much else this could backfire a bit like the NHS freebies that were flying around last year. Started out with lots of support, but slowly started to create resentment when people saw the NHS personnel getting everything and they were facing redundancy or pay cuts.
Maybe the container sectors a different animal but of the half dozen I’ve worked for, not one of them had a union option
I’m guessing there’s a reason for this. I remember years ago joining URTU, l think it was, who even had their own agency but that didn’t sadly last very long.Had some decent gigs of them l recall. Many would love to be a part of a dedicated (HGV only) arrangement but they don’t do a good job of selling themselves do they?
Stuck in some stagnant, jaded- 70’s mindset and probably fully ‘Common-Purpose’ enabled. You can bet your life any of their literature won’t be featuring anything resembling a ‘traditional’ Anglo Saxon.
robroy:
@Darkside aka the one trick pony.Oh ffs mate,.EVERY [zb] time.
Give it a rest man, you’re mildly annoying me and seriously boring me simultaneously.
I’ve explained countless times to you why I (reluctantly) voted Tory.
Not because I feel the need to answer to the likes of you, but in a vain attempt to get you to shut the [zb] up about it.
Cheers.
Have a look what other countries get in the way of sick pay, then have a look what we get.
Have a look at pensions as well. Then you will see why I hate the Tories.
You banging on about Unions, and then voting Tory is giving us all a laugh I suppose.
Darkside:
You banging on about Unions, and then voting Tory is giving us all a laugh I suppose.
Union members get much better terms & conditions inc pay rates in most cases. Sick pay and healthcare are part of my T&Cs. It doesn’t matter who you vote for, Tory, Labour or raving monster party. The benefits of union membership are blatantly obvious regardless. The political side of unions and who they swing towards is purely a seperate business side that is unnoticeable to the members.
Darkside:
robroy:
@Darkside aka the one trick pony.Oh ffs mate,.EVERY [zb] time.
Give it a rest man, you’re mildly annoying me and seriously boring me simultaneously.
I’ve explained countless times to you why I (reluctantly) voted Tory.
Not because I feel the need to answer to the likes of you, but in a vain attempt to get you to shut the [zb] up about it.
Cheers.Have a look what other countries get in the way of sick pay, then have a look what we get.
Have a look at pensions as well. Then you will see why I hate the Tories.
You banging on about Unions, and then voting Tory is giving us all a laugh I suppose.
Other countries dont dish out benefits .The Tories have made it harder for Non citizens to claim.Look at the eye watering amounts for visa and NHS fees non EU people pay with no guarantee of getting a visa.
Darkside:
robroy:
@Darkside aka the one trick pony.Oh ffs mate,.EVERY [zb] time.
Give it a rest man, you’re mildly annoying me and seriously boring me simultaneously.
I’ve explained countless times to you why I (reluctantly) voted Tory.
Not because I feel the need to answer to the likes of you, but in a vain attempt to get you to shut the [zb] up about it.
Cheers.Have a look what other countries get in the way of sick pay, then have a look what we get.
Have a look at pensions as well. Then you will see why I hate the Tories.
You banging on about Unions, and then voting Tory is giving us all a laugh I suppose.
Ok, ALL all Union members vote Labour then eh?
Ah right…got it.
So is that theory backed up by numbers and facts then’?
Would you care to enlighten us?
Just to give you a point to start with in your research,… .I aint in that category…oh you already know that though don’t you, I’m sure you’ve mentioned it.
Aye right mate whatever you say…