These unions must of changed a lot , all I can remeber is strikes , walkouts over the most stupid things , canteen menues being changed without the shop stewards being consulted , no bloody rolls on the food trolley , going on strike for weeks to get a 1/2 % pay rise ( weeks with no pay then they thought they’d got a great deal with a few pence for there members
Then there was the majority vote not to take industrial action which according to the shop stewards had been passed unanimously, they didn’t / don’t give a ■■■■ about there members it’s just a ■■■■■■■ power trip
I remember them going up to sort out layoffs , even though those idle ■■■■■ never did a minutes work ( they sat there all night not once switching the machine on ) , not one of them was on the lay-off list !!! Not ■■■■■■■ one
You can shove your ■■■■■■■ unions , the only people who need them are the ones who haven’t got a back bone & cant fight there own battles .
Oh by the way I’ve worked at plenty of non union firms who pay all the benefits that are claimed are only achievable by working at a union firm
Nb I know you’ll take it as a dig at you rob , it’s not , I’ve no time for unions , I had decades of there rubbish
dozy:
You can shove your [zb] unions , the only people who need them are the ones who haven’t got a back bone & cant fight there own battles .
The only way a union will work for you is if you have the majority of the drivers in the union and that those members or at least the shop steward has a backbone. Wishy washy half hearted members with memberships in the minority will reap very little benefit if any at all. Even the union will tell you that, get it right and it is a totally different story to yours. This I think is why a lot of drivers are not union members as it does involve doing things right and all standing by each other. You can see the flaws in this already I am sure. Some people just are not cut from the right cloth to be unionists.
Darkside:
robroy:
@Darkside aka the one trick pony.Oh ffs mate,.EVERY [zb] time.
Give it a rest man, you’re mildly annoying me and seriously boring me simultaneously.
I’ve explained countless times to you why I (reluctantly) voted Tory.
Not because I feel the need to answer to the likes of you, but in a vain attempt to get you to shut the [zb] up about it.
Cheers.Have a look what other countries get in the way of sick pay, then have a look what we get.
Have a look at pensions as well. Then you will see why I hate the Tories.
You banging on about Unions, and then voting Tory is giving us all a laugh I suppose.
I assume you hate labour as well then?
dozy:
These unions must of changed a lot , all I can remeber is strikes , walkouts over the most stupid things , canteen menues being changed without the shop stewards being consulted , no bloody rolls on the food trolley , going on strike for weeks to get a 1/2 % pay rise ( weeks with no pay then they thought they’d got a great deal with a few pence for there members
Then there was the majority vote not to take industrial action which according to the shop stewards had been passed unanimously, they didn’t / don’t give a [zb] about there members it’s just a [zb] power trip
I remember them going up to sort out layoffs , even though those idle [zb] never did a minutes work ( they sat there all night not once switching the machine on ) , not one of them was on the lay-off list !!! Not [zb] one
You can shove your [zb] unions , the only people who need them are the ones who haven’t got a back bone & cant fight there own battles .
Oh by the way I’ve worked at plenty of non union firms who pay all the benefits that are claimed are only achievable by working at a union firm
Nb I know you’ll take it as a dig at you rob , it’s not , I’ve no time for unions , I had decades of there rubbish
I know what you’re saying doze,.I too worked in a strong union engineering factory as a kid,.and I saw all that you mention.
That was the problem, it got to the stage where they (the TUs) got far too much power that was abused, to the point where the tail wagged the dog.
I remember my Granda who was a strong Union strong Labour man, and a hard worker all of his life, tellng me as a kid of how things were in the 20s where basically anything went as far as unscrupulous employers treating their workers like crap with basically no rights was the way things generally were.
I know the TU started late 19th century, but they came into being after WW1 and in the 20s,.so it took 50 years to the 70s to ■■■■ the whole idea up by abuse, where things you mention regularly took place…which is taught to school kids on the school curriculum aimed purposely as an agenda (yep by the Tories Mr Darkside) to educate new generations against Unions…and look how it has worked when you see some of the opinions on here for instance. 
A classic nailed on example of ‘Divide and Rule’ carried out by the upper and middle classes to keep us plebs in our place…as in pre 1930 Britain.
So what goes around comes around, the 20s to the 70s was a 50 year cycle, now coming up to 50 years later we are faced with similar type crap from employers,.zero hour contracts, no overtime payments for extra hours, ■■■■ poor conditions,…and as random example in our own game in cab ■■■■ cameras.
So if ever there was a time for a strong union among workers, it is now…but no, not the 70s style ‘We run the country’ bs, but a body fighting and striving for fairness in employment.
And either ran by a proper pro working class Labour (non right on Cambridge leftie government ) , or yeh…a compromising fair Tory government…none of which exist today. 
Here endeth the sermon and the social history lesson. 
Oh and just to reiterate again (and again 
) to Darkside, my Tory vote was a lesser of two very dodgy evils,.a Labour Govt in its present form as a party would ■■■■ up the country completely imo…worse than that other clown Gordin Brown did in fact,.where he ■■■■ ed off to a cushy number in The House of Lords (afaik anyway) leaving us virtually bankrupt to pick up the pieces.
The obvious argument to save you printing it is ‘The Tories have also done that’ but I reckon a Labour Government ran by clowns like Corbyn and Abbot would have made us the laughing stock of the Western world.
robroy:
dozy:
These unions must of changed a lot , all I can remeber is strikes , walkouts over the most stupid things , canteen menues being changed without the shop stewards being consulted , no bloody rolls on the food trolley , going on strike for weeks to get a 1/2 % pay rise ( weeks with no pay then they thought they’d got a great deal with a few pence for there members
Then there was the majority vote not to take industrial action which according to the shop stewards had been passed unanimously, they didn’t / don’t give a [zb] about there members it’s just a [zb] power trip
I remember them going up to sort out layoffs , even though those idle [zb] never did a minutes work ( they sat there all night not once switching the machine on ) , not one of them was on the lay-off list !!! Not [zb] one
You can shove your [zb] unions , the only people who need them are the ones who haven’t got a back bone & cant fight there own battles .
Oh by the way I’ve worked at plenty of non union firms who pay all the benefits that are claimed are only achievable by working at a union firm
Nb I know you’ll take it as a dig at you rob , it’s not , I’ve no time for unions , I had decades of there rubbishI know what you’re saying doze,.I too worked in a strong union engineering factory as a kid,.and I saw all that you mention.
That was the problem, it got to the stage where they (the TUs) got far too much power that was abused, to the point where the tail wagged the dog.I remember my Granda who was a strong Union strong Labour man, and a hard worker all of his life, tellng me as a kid of how things were in the 20s where basically anything went as far as unscrupulous employers treating their workers like crap with basically no rights was the way things generally were.
I know the TU started late 19th century, but they came into being after WW1 and in the 20s,.so it took 50 years to the 70s to [zb] the whole idea up by abuse, where things you mention regularly took place…which is taught to school kids on the school curriculum aimed purposely as an agenda (yep by the Tories Mr Darkside) to educate new generations against Unions…and look how it has worked when you see some of the opinions on here for instance.
A classic nailed on example of ‘Divide and Rule’ carried out by the upper and middle classes to keep us plebs in our place…as in pre 1930 Britain.So what goes around comes around, the 20s to the 70s was a 50 year cycle, now coming up to 50 years later we are faced with similar type crap from employers,.zero hour contracts, no overtime payments for extra hours, ■■■■ poor conditions,…and as random example in our own game in cab [zb] cameras.
So if ever there was a time for a strong union among workers, it is now…but no, not the 70s style ‘We run the country’ bs, but a body fighting and striving for fairness in employment.
And either ran by a proper pro working class Labour (non right on Cambridge leftie government ) , or yeh…a compromising fair Tory government…none of which exist today.Here endeth the sermon and the social history lesson.
Oh and just to reiterate again (and again
The obvious argument to save you printing it is ‘The Tories have also done that’ but I reckon a Labour Government ran by clowns like Corbyn and Abbot
+1…I’ve had this conversation with a few friends over the last year or so, I simply voted for the least worse option that was on the table in 2019.
Unions became very powerful back in the day, workers became very militant towards anything that upset them and provoked to threaten to strike. Nothing wrong with that really other than if it was abused, in some cases it did get abused. The difference now is that the employer has taken the dominant role and threatening to sack you at anything that upsets them, they have increased your working hours and expect you to be more flexible as they like to phrase it. Wages have actually decreased rather than increased and in a lot of cases do not even meet inflation. So whilst those that say the unions were out of control and too militant, you are perfectly happy for your employer to have your trousers down and just moan amongst yourselves about it. I know which side of the fence I would rather stand on.
here is the thing for the past 25 years or so there has been a glut of labour in the logistics sector and others but only the bottom 2 or 3 levels. There has been a massive attitude of my neighbouring company doesnt pay sick leave so why should i or wages or any other “perk” the goverment which lets face it was labour at the time but i am sure any other party would of done the same thing allowed it and supported it by bringing in benefits (ssp etc) to cover the shortfalls. All done by back alley deals lining thier own pockets.
It is still happening to a point the loudest shout is poor wages so the savey company has put up the wages however the non monetary benefits ie in this case sick pay havent been touched. Seems to me the majority of people only have thier eyes on thier bank balance. Im not sure a union would solve this as it is (or should be) run by thier members with votes.
Dont get me wrong im all for unions and think that they have thier place and uses on both an individual and for a group.
Roverman:
It’s 2021, we are arguably, now more than ever essential (via the shortage) to keeping the country on its feet, so why do the vast majority of us not get full sick pay?
I think this should be brought to the attention of the masses. Everyone outwith our industry that I’ve spoken to about it are very surprised.Sent from my M2007J3SG using Tapatalk
Did you not ask about T&Cs etc etc when you took the job,after all its the sort of thing that you ask about before making a decision about taking a job.Its possible you dont want to give the impression your going to take advantage of getting full sick pay at some point, but we have all come across some individuals who take the p##s
Last job I had sick pay was 6 months full reducing after that, it was no surprise when two individuals miraculously became fit for work when their full pay ceased.
Perhaps that`s why Companies are reluctant to give full wage sick pay as it encourages the malingerers
Well I got paid £130-something for 10 days with covid, hooray! Next time - no covid 
Roverman:
It’s 2021, we are arguably, now more than ever essential (via the shortage) to keeping the country on its feet, so why do the vast majority of us not get full sick pay?
Because for years drivers have been happy to apply for jobs where it isn’t paid and companies haven’t felt the need to offer it because there was an unlimited supply of drivers from the EU.
It’s interesting to note though that drivers who work at companies who don’t make money from haulage, companies who run their own fleets to deliver the stuff they make for example, do get paid sick leave, decent pensions, share schemes etc.