Moaning Moaning Moaning, for the good sake be happy that you have a work
Finland has left in a motion to EU for a change in the rules. I support it 100% sadly guys like you will prevent it
"Proposals by the three associations (Finnish Transport and Logistics — SKAL, the Employers’ Federation of Road Transport (ALT) and the Finnish Bus and Coach Association):
That a driver’s daily rest period can be reduced to at least nine hours once a week and at least seven hours twice a week. The unreduced daily rest period should continue to be 11 hours.
That the daily driving time can be extended by two hours when the driving period is immediately followed or preceded by a rest period of not less than 24 consecutive hours. Such extensions to daily driving time should be within the framework of the current maximum driving times (56 hours in one week and 90 hours in two weeks).
That there should be additional flexibility in exceptions to the 12-day regulations applicable to international coach travel in the European Union.
That in both passenger and goods traffic, the 45-minute break that must be taken after driving for 4.5 hours can be split into three 15-minute breaks. "
Icee:
Moaning Moaning Moaning, for the good sake be happy that you have a work
Finland has left in a motion to EU for a change in the rules. I support it 100% sadly guys like you will prevent it
"Proposals by the three associations (Finnish Transport and Logistics — SKAL, the Employers’ Federation of Road Transport (ALT) and the Finnish Bus and Coach Association):
That a driver’s daily rest period can be reduced to at least nine hours once a week and at least seven hours twice a week. The unreduced daily rest period should continue to be 11 hours.
That the daily driving time can be extended by two hours when the driving period is immediately followed or preceded by a rest period of not less than 24 consecutive hours. Such extensions to daily driving time should be within the framework of the current maximum driving times (56 hours in one week and 90 hours in two weeks).
That there should be additional flexibility in exceptions to the 12-day regulations applicable to international coach travel in the European Union.
That in both passenger and goods traffic, the 45-minute break that must be taken after driving for 4.5 hours can be split into three 15-minute breaks. "
Reduced to 7 hours? You having a laugh? I agree some of the rules need changing but the daily rest should not be reduced further.
Can’t think why breaks were changed in the first place 3 x 15 was fine so was 20 + 25.
Fixed week should be scrapped, not being able to do a full 9 hour shift drive after 45 hour rest is ridiculous, why should you need to wait till after 00:00 to reset the clock.
It’s all a mess!,
SteveBarnsleytrucker:
Would the lads that do day work or are at base happily have a 9 hour daily rest on a Thursday night if it means they were finishing earlier on the Friday??
why would i want to finish earlier? i enforce this rule when it suits me to avoid shorter shifts. if i have to take a 9 to get a 12 hour shift instead of an 8 hour shift then i will waive it but i wont reduce for an 8 hour shift
Maybe not you but some drivers would if it means they were finishing earlier for the weekend. I’m happy with how it is now,probably because I’m a tramper.
weeto:
Fixed week should be scrapped, not being able to do a full 9 hour shift drive after 45 hour rest is ridiculous, why should you need to wait till after 00:00 to reset the clock.
I also see no reason for the fixed week - all the rules need to be between weekly rests - the idea for the rules is safety and I see no reason why safety would be compromised if the fixed week was scrapped because the rest rules would still be there
As a vehicle operator I won’t schedule a 9 hours rest into a drivers work pattern, unless the ■■■■ hits the fan and there is no other way around it. I would then discuss with the driver concerned whether he was able and willing to do it first.
Too many operators just assume that because a driver can legally take a 9 hours rest they can schedule it as often as possible to make the vehicle more productive. I would personally have a rested safer driver and not quite as much profit, than a smashed up truck and dead driver.
I would not abolish the 9 hours rest as there are some instances where it can work and pull you out of the mire or give the driver an early finish the next day but operators should not rely on it regularly.
coiler:
As a vehicle operator I won’t schedule a 9 hours rest into a drivers work pattern, unless the [zb] hits the fan and there is no other way around it. I would then discuss with the driver concerned whether he was able and willing to do it first.
Too many operators just assume that because a driver can legally take a 9 hours rest they can schedule it as often as possible to make the vehicle more productive. I would personally have a rested safer driver and not quite as much profit, than a smashed up truck and dead driver.
I would not abolish the 9 hours rest as there are some instances where it can work and pull you out of the mire or give the driver an early finish the next day but operators should not rely on it regularly.
If that was law then we would not be having this discussion because if the driver said no and the employer took action, perhaps sacking the driver, then the driver would have a solid case under employmment law
Icee:
Moaning Moaning Moaning, for the good sake be happy that you have a work
Finland has left in a motion to EU for a change in the rules. I support it 100% sadly guys like you will prevent it
"Proposals by the three associations (Finnish Transport and Logistics — SKAL, the Employers’ Federation of Road Transport (ALT) and the Finnish Bus and Coach Association):
That a driver’s daily rest period can be reduced to at least nine hours once a week and at least seven hours twice a week. The unreduced daily rest period should continue to be 11 hours.
That the daily driving time can be extended by two hours when the driving period is immediately followed or preceded by a rest period of not less than 24 consecutive hours. Such extensions to daily driving time should be within the framework of the current maximum driving times (56 hours in one week and 90 hours in two weeks).
present rules not bad.must just change about-if drivers driving time finished 20 miles or less from base ,drivers can care on drive till base.as well change POA rules.can much simple.don t count for POA any POA if less for 10 minut .but if drivers waiting for load unknown time duration ,must allow legaly taked POA,just first 5 and last 5 minut count for other job .
coiler:
As a vehicle operator I won’t schedule a 9 hours rest into a drivers work pattern, unless the [zb] hits the fan and there is no other way around it. I would then discuss with the driver concerned whether he was able and willing to do it first.
Too many operators just assume that because a driver can legally take a 9 hours rest they can schedule it as often as possible to make the vehicle more productive. I would personally have a rested safer driver and not quite as much profit, than a smashed up truck and dead driver.
I would not abolish the 9 hours rest as there are some instances where it can work and pull you out of the mire or give the driver an early finish the next day but operators should not rely on it regularly.
Why would you schedule any rest? It’s up to the driver to plan his day.
If he can’t, Then sack the useless [zb].
Icee:
Moaning Moaning Moaning, for the good sake be happy that you have a work
Finland has left in a motion to EU for a change in the rules. I support it 100% sadly guys like you will prevent it
"Proposals by the three associations (Finnish Transport and Logistics — SKAL, the Employers’ Federation of Road Transport (ALT) and the Finnish Bus and Coach Association):
That a driver’s daily rest period can be reduced to at least nine hours once a week and at least seven hours twice a week. The unreduced daily rest period should continue to be 11 hours.
That the daily driving time can be extended by two hours when the driving period is immediately followed or preceded by a rest period of not less than 24 consecutive hours. Such extensions to daily driving time should be within the framework of the current maximum driving times (56 hours in one week and 90 hours in two weeks).
That there should be additional flexibility in exceptions to the 12-day regulations applicable to international coach travel in the European Union.
That in both passenger and goods traffic, the 45-minute break that must be taken after driving for 4.5 hours can be split into three 15-minute breaks. "
Reduced to 7 hours? You having a laugh? I agree some of the rules need changing but the daily rest should not be reduced further.
Can’t think why breaks were changed in the first place 3 x 15 was fine so was 20 + 25.
Fixed week should be scrapped, not being able to do a full 9 hour shift drive after 45 hour rest is ridiculous, why should you need to wait till after 00:00 to reset the clock.
It’s all a mess!,
Well I hate to spend 9 or 11 hours in somewhere in the forest. Instead of sitting on the computer 4-6 hours to get time to pass by i would just go to sleep. Not to say in the winter when the temperatures drop below -20 and you will not be able to get any sleep at all because you don’t want to turn the engine off in risk of not getting any help when the batteries are empty. The engines are quite yes but lay your head on the pillow when the smoke reducer is on + webasto, the vibration can be quite annoying + it’s still having problems to keep the temperature up.
No 7 hour is perfect. If I could choose I would skip the stupid 11hour rest but i guess we have to start small. I for example would be home for 3 days instead since I have no problem filling up those 90h in 2 weeks. Instead of starting Sunday morning I could start Sunday evening and still get a recent Monday with a 7 hour rest.
ot but since we are on new rules. Finland has voted through EUs strongest Cabotage rules, with a lot of pressure also put on the transport buyer. skal.fi/en/news_and_updates/ … .9329.news
coiler:
As a vehicle operator I won’t schedule a 9 hours rest into a drivers work pattern, unless the [zb] hits the fan and there is no other way around it. I would then discuss with the driver concerned whether he was able and willing to do it first.
Too many operators just assume that because a driver can legally take a 9 hours rest they can schedule it as often as possible to make the vehicle more productive. I would personally have a rested safer driver and not quite as much profit, than a smashed up truck and dead driver.
I would not abolish the 9 hours rest as there are some instances where it can work and pull you out of the mire or give the driver an early finish the next day but operators should not rely on it regularly.
Why would you schedule any rest? It’s up to the driver to plan his day.
If he can’t, Then sack the useless [zb].
I tell the driver what work to do. It’s up to me to give customers times for loading or unloading. No point in giving unrealistic times, hence I won’t factor in a 9 hour rest.
" you MAY reduce three times a week gives it away 