Steve66:
Glad I didn’t peruse things where you are Muckaway. What privacy I have left I value highly.
I think it’s been brought in due to a few animals who mistreat the vehicles. It’s the most watched place I’ve ever worked but it’s the easiest job and cleanest job I’ve had.
At the end of the day money talks and I’m on a a good gig here, so much so I’ve shelved any plans to do my class 1. Just no need for it now.
Fair play mate and I’m pleased for you.
Me personally I wouldn’t put up with being spied on in the cab. With all the other equipment they use like satellite tracking, overspeeds, idling, harsh braking and the like, why look at the driver?
A manager at our place looks on his laptop at office cameras. The thought of a transport manager or planner looking at me fills me with dread and disgust.
No job and no amount of money is worth that.
And just to go back to the part where you say they’ve brought it in because of driver neglect and abuse. That’s easily policed if the TM actually gets off of his arse to do random checks or act on any complaints received.
Juddian:
If you are not bothered you are one of the very few.
Can anyone link to a post where someone has been sacked because of in cab cameras?
If it was truly as bad as people on here claim it is then we’d be getting almost daily stories of drivers brought in for disciplinaries or for getting the sack because the in cab cameras had seen them doing something they shouldn’t. Best of luck, I await a response but I doubt there will be one or if there is it will be the only one in the entire history of this forum. Crack on guys, find the links of rafts of drivers posting they’re getting the boot because their boss saw them doing something they shouldn’t when they were driving down the road and nothing happened.
The reason I’m not bothered is because we’re already caught on CCTV pretty much everywhere we go that it is a non-issue for me. Pretty much all businesses you visit you’re on CCTV, some of the houses you walk past you’re on CCTV, every time you use a cash machine you’re on CCTV. You’ll be on CCTV when you drive into work and when you leave, you’re on CCTV as you go about your daily business. By all means get your tin foil hat on but really the only people who have to be worried about it are those who shouldn’t be in a truck in the first place.
Truth of the matter is these devices have limited storage which gets overwritten every so many minutes they’re active, usually 30, so they’re not going to be storing everything you do for the full day so at worst if nothing happened during the shift there’s the last 30 minutes of you picking your nose as you drive down the road. However for those when something has happened such as slamming on to avoid an accident then if anything comes of it such as a ranty person phoning up to complain or claim you damaged their vehicle there’s either going to be evidence to fight your corner or damning evidence you weren’t driving to a decent standard which contributed to the event happening and if it is the latter then you shouldn’t be in a truck.
Well speaking as a guy that’s a cowboy/bad driver who has 70s standards/someone who shouldn’t be driving a truck…, and all the rest of the stuff you’ve accused me of on here in the past Conor (which is an amazing analysis in it’s self seeing as you’ve judged me on forum posts rather than actually knowing me )…btw you won’t remember as you tend to accuse many on here of the same who do not agree with some of your more subservient views don’t you.
Anyway my point is you’ve changed my mind, go for it I’m sold, ''nobody has been sacked" after all as you say, so that’s a good enough reason alone for you …and now me.
Furthermore because of the things you point out I’m going to start a campaign to get public ‘‘KhaziCams’’ (a snappy title eh, should be enough to brainwash people like yourself) because as you rightly point, you’re facing CCTV cameras in every other walk of life, all our privacy has gone, so what’s the difference, let’s all be filmed with our knobs out and us wiping our arses.
Why don’t we all just say [zb] our rights to fairness and standards, and become unpaid lobotomised fully servile slaves and be done with it.
Reckon some of us are already there.
With a bit of luck, we’ll be re-making our own rules come March 29th 2019.
If, for example - all drivers must be paid by the hour following Brexit - then guess which companies won’t be asking drivers to routinely work over 8 hours, and end up working 15 for no extra pay?
The companies who pay overtime after 8 hours - are not typically the ones that’ll hand you out 15 hour shifts routinely in the first place.
Standards therefore - should improve rather than decline post brexit.
I would imagine that this geezer lost his job as well… I don’t think they hold jobs open for you - whilst you serve some porridge.
I am self employed but if I was employed then I would only agree if the transport planner had a camera on him during the day and night !!! , I have nothing to hide but I rather leave the job than have that .
It most likely the insurance companies asking for the cameras , saying that my insurance company said they would like us to have forward facing cameras but would not knock any money off the premium ,they said it would help them in proving we were not to blame or were to blame.
I said if I am investing in cameras I also want money knocked off but they would not help .
Struggling to see the connection between Brexit and mandatory hourly pay for drivers, TBH. It’s not as if EU membership prevents us from introducing such a law if we want to…
Yes, we should all be bothered, because this is another nail in the fast fleeting moment we might have tasted freedom in.
In various companies around the more enlightened progressive countries, half wits masquerading as intelligent humans are having bloody electronic chips inserted into their hands or wrists, to make accessing doors etc simpler apparently, what a load of ■■■■■■■■…you wait they’ll be pushing this crap like they are bloody smart meters currently (ho ho pun intended).
You just know the controllers of all this are beside themselves with glee that people are stupid enough to actually volunteer for crap like this, next thing you’ll know is that chips are going in the head, and before you know it they’ll be sticking the bloody things into babies heads, and there will be no shortage of half wit parents eager to prove their progressive virtues by having their little un wired in to the borg…handily the state will be able to keep tabs on little uns thoughts as he grows and in he course of time when of no further use as a drone they’ll simply press delete.
One the chips are in you’d better be bloody sure you have nothing to hide, cos once they’ve worked out how to access your thoughts…
Anyway, in cab cameras are simply one more step on the total surveillance society they want, and i’m buggered of i’m going peacefully into the hell that will be the utopia they have planned for us.
Colin_scottish:
They tried this were i work did not last they were taken out of the cabs.They said that because so many drivers said they’ll refuse to drive them they said not worth the hassel.
I just wish our lot had the same balls to object to some of the crap that we’re dished out but not a chance, bent over and cheeks parted to make it easier for them.
To be honest rob to many drivers have a brown nose or a brown tongue nowadays.
That’s definitely the case where I work, 80% too busy trying to impress and be the boss’s bezzie mate to stand up for themselves. . [zb] cringeworthy sometimes.
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As a young driver. It’s not about brown nosing. Its the fact you won’t be listened to when driving this young and also like you’ve said, there are so many yes men/Women That most drivers think what’s the point kicking off because everyone else will accept whatever is handed to them.
My company wouldn’t waste the money on cameras inside or out but if it ever happened I’d be staying in my wagon until it’s scrapped.
I worked as a bus driver for 10 yrs, from day 1 I had a camera on me, every london bus has them.
Do not, for 1 minute think a union will/can stop cameras being fitted, londons buses have been unioniesd for years, and yet the cameras were still installed.
You could, as union members vote for a no to have cameras fitted, but the company will install them anyway, you could go on strike(with the correct procedures followed), but how many will go on strike and for how long?
The company cannot just say ‘we have seen you doing something you should not be doing on camera’ and sack you. There are laws and procedures to follow.
I know of several drivers sacked because of the camera, every single one of them doing something they should not of been doing.
But, I also know of drivers who have been saved by the camera after false allegations were made against them.
What it boils down to is that insurance companies are asking for cameras to be fitted because of the crap driving we see everyday from our lorry driving collegues.
I worked as a bus driver for 10 yrs, from day 1 I had a camera on me, every london bus has them.
Do not, for 1 minute think a union will/can stop cameras being fitted, londons buses have been unioniesd for years, and yet the cameras were still installed.
You could, as union members vote for a no to have cameras fitted, but the company will install them anyway, you could go on strike(with the correct procedures followed), but how many will go on strike and for how long?
The company cannot just say ‘we have seen you doing something you should not be doing on camera’ and sack you. There are laws and procedures to follow.
I know of several drivers sacked because of the camera, every single one of them doing something they should not of been doing.
But, I also know of drivers who have been saved by the camera after false allegations were made against them.
What it boils down to is that insurance companies are asking for cameras to be fitted because of the crap driving we see everyday from our lorry driving collegues.
Tbf bus driving is a different ball game, you are open to attack, abuse assault and all the rest of the crap, so I reckon they genuinely ARE there to protect you.
Don’t care what you say mate, official or unofficial Union or not, if a firm with many drivers were told that they were not prepared to put up with it they would bend, imagine a firm like Stobbies, there are only so many agency drivers to stand in.
As for your opinion on drivers being ‘‘saved’’ I’d bet they are in a very small minority to those who have fallen foul for some minor indiscretion,.and whether or not they can sack you, it’s a liberty and a ■■■■ take.
I worked as a bus driver for 10 yrs, from day 1 I had a camera on me, every london bus has them.
Do not, for 1 minute think a union will/can stop cameras being fitted, londons buses have been unioniesd for years, and yet the cameras were still installed.
You could, as union members vote for a no to have cameras fitted, but the company will install them anyway, you could go on strike(with the correct procedures followed), but how many will go on strike and for how long?
The company cannot just say ‘we have seen you doing something you should not be doing on camera’ and sack you. There are laws and procedures to follow.
I know of several drivers sacked because of the camera, every single one of them doing something they should not of been doing.
But, I also know of drivers who have been saved by the camera after false allegations were made against them.
What it boils down to is that insurance companies are asking for cameras to be fitted because of the crap driving we see everyday from our lorry driving collegues.
I find an easier way of being “saved” from false allegations is to work for a boss who backs me up and isn’t afraid of threats like “I’ll tell Facebook” or “I’m calling the police”.
I worked as a bus driver for 10 yrs, from day 1 I had a camera on me, every london bus has them.
Do not, for 1 minute think a union will/can stop cameras being fitted, londons buses have been unioniesd for years, and yet the cameras were still installed.
You could, as union members vote for a no to have cameras fitted, but the company will install them anyway, you could go on strike(with the correct procedures followed), but how many will go on strike and for how long?
The company cannot just say ‘we have seen you doing something you should not be doing on camera’ and sack you. There are laws and procedures to follow.
I know of several drivers sacked because of the camera, every single one of them doing something they should not of been doing.
But, I also know of drivers who have been saved by the camera after false allegations were made against them.
What it boils down to is that insurance companies are asking for cameras to be fitted because of the crap driving we see everyday from our lorry driving collegues.
Buses in the north East have Tham as well have done for a long time now not only on the driver but facing towards all the passengers I know this due to an incident concerning myself due to the driver being in a rush when I was on crutches he pulled away before I had a chance to sit down causing me to fall a plaster re applied that had come off less than a week before
I met with his boss that night in fact told him my side this was approx.17.00 by 10.00 he called me back & agreed with what I had said they also had to inform the police as it was at the bus station & was also classed as a RTA this saved both of us
But totally different on a bus to a lorry have them facing out onto the road yep totally agree but not facing in cab
(which is an amazing analysis in it’s self seeing as you’ve judged me on forum posts rather than actually knowing me 
)…btw you won’t remember as you tend to accuse many on here of the same who do not agree with some of your more subservient views don’t you.
…and now me.
