From today aircraft at shows will only be allowed a fly-past, no aerobatics etc.
Pete.
m1cks:
Luke, please not the time or the place at the moment.
I’m not the one speculating…
windrush:
From today aircraft at shows will only be allowed a fly-past, no aerobatics etc.Pete.
That only applies to ‘Vintage’ jets flying at inland shows.They can still fly aerobatics at sea type shows.
Which still leaves the contradiction in grounding later superior designs like the Lightning and Phantom but still allowing the Vampire,Meteor etc to fly,not withstanding the present grounding of the Hunter type.
None of which makes much sense considering that sea type events often still involve proximity to urban populated areas and there is no guarantee that an out of control aircraft over the sea at the shoreline will stay there and not come inland.
eagerbeaver:
Commonrail. Head of nail firmly struck.
+2 to Commonrail’s opinion.
Carryfast, shush ! we’ve been told the subject must no longer be discussed 
Unless we have the input of an experienced aircraft engineer or someone for a similar background, speculation, while ok to me, could run on to many pages (ha!) and is pretty pointless. Yet again a thread has been ruined by Carryfast.
Please CF, if you must comment, keep it BRIEF!
I’ve heard to day it could take years before they come to any conclusions.
Whatever the case, this is a tragic event for all concerned. By all accounts the pilot was very experienced in jet flying.
RIP to those who didn’t make it home that day.
Im no expert but have worked with jets in the past in the pic the engine I think is def running as you can just see a heat haze from it, you wouldnt get a excessive one as the Hunter does not have afterburner like modern jets and is very noticeable. Also in the vid the engine sounds ok keeps making the noise I would expect and doesnt go silent. Again not speculating just a observation and comment on previous post.
RIP to all involved.
Just select Carryfast as a foe then enjoy any thread without him (unless someone foolishly quotes him).
Trucker56:
Im no expert but have worked with jets in the past in the pic the engine I think is def running as you can just see a heat haze from it, you wouldnt get a excessive one as the Hunter does not have afterburner like modern jets and is very noticeable. Also in the vid the engine sounds ok keeps making the noise I would expect and doesnt go silent. Again not speculating just a observation and comment on previous post.
The engine is definitely running,making a noise and making a haze behind it.It’s just not ‘enough’ noise and ‘enough’ haze to make it fly. 
youtube.com/watch?v=B4LFWW1hbqw
switchlogic:
Carryfast:
The Hunter was always a piece of junk like the Vampire.But the CAA allows them to fly but not designs like the Phantom.I was there when this happened.
Is there anything at all you don’t proclaim to be an expert in?
That was my exact thought when I saw the thread on my feed and see who last posted.
Soon to be a SNAFU
commonrail:
This is not a thread of condolence,it is a discusion on the event…which you’ll have heard plenty more of if you have switched on a tv or opened a newspaper in the last 3 days.
I for one found some of the stuff regarding the actual aircraft rather interesting,especially the pilots account of the tintagel incident.
Further more,i will not be dictated to by a bunch of lorry drivers.
The voice of reason.
The Hunter although a jet is actually quite quiet anyway and the heat haze from the engine is not like modern jets while I would,nt speculate too much it is very difficult to discern anything from the vids around you would need to actually be there to hear it.
Carryfast your vids all show a aircraft on the ground close to the microphone on take off power no comparison really. The aircraft was at the top of a loop so reasonably high up and would probably have come over the top and reduced power because gravity will do the rest.
Trucker56:
The Hunter although a jet is actually quite quiet anyway and the heat haze from the engine is not like modern jets while I would,nt speculate too much it is very difficult to discern anything from the vids around you would need to actually be there to hear it.
Trust me having been an airshow enthusiast since at least the early 1970’s a healthy Avon engine running at full power isn’t a quiet thing and in fact is one of the greatest sounding jets around.The same applies regards its exhaust trail.As is clear enough from all the videos which I’ve posted.Being there would just add to the effect.
While even more ironically it was/is the CAA’s unbalanced,inconsistent, ridiculous idea of grounding the more modern and relatively more reliable,not to mention more spectacular,aircraft like the Phantom and Lightning.In addition to the lack of invitation of even more modern designs like the F15 and F14 amongst other pointless ‘rules’ like no supersonic passes,that made me give up on going to airshows.
The end result being the CAA effectively saying let’s reduce the effect and point of an ‘airshow’.While also making the over regulated tame result actually more dangerous and with more risk, by putting known relatively obsolete,unreliable,junk into the air.
Trucker56:
Carryfast your vids all show a aircraft on the ground close to the microphone on take off power no comparison really. The aircraft was at the top of a loop so reasonably high up and would probably have come over the top and reduced power because gravity will do the rest.
The aircraft seemed to abandon its climb and entered a form of Split S turn not a loop because of loss of power.It also then failed to climb out of trouble after pilot had miraculously got it out of the resulting dive back into level flight and into a climbing attitude. 
For the same reason.
The fact is virtually take off power was what was needed in its climb to height and to get out of trouble after seemingly having abandoned the manouvre and the engine clearly didn’t provide it when and where it was needed.
Hey CF. Just a bit of advice. Nothing wrong with offering theories us hooman beans love to chat. But try not to state things like this as fact. I can tell youve picked some of this up from other forums/discussions. You don’t really know and there are fundamental flaws in some of what you’re stating. Interesting link from the tint pilot thing by the way.
Anyway, more to the point, a sad sad day. I think it’s awful people going about their business with no interest in this recreational event lost their lives. I can only imagine the horror for the families and additionally the emergency staff dealing with the roadside suffering.
Freight Dog:
Hey CF. Just a bit of advice. Nothing wrong with offering theories us hooman beans love to chat. But try not to state things like this as fact. I can tell youve picked some of this up from other forums/discussions. You don’t really know and there are fundamental flaws in some of what you’re stating. Interesting link from the tint pilot thing by the way.Anyway, more to the point, a sad sad day. I think it’s awful people going about their business with no interest in this recreational event lost their lives. I can only imagine the horror for the families and additionally the emergency staff dealing with the roadside suffering.
Firstly it is a ‘fact’ that the CAA effectively stopped airshow enthusiasts from being able to see more modern and relatively reliable designs in action on grounds of ‘safety’.
While allowing known heaps like the Vampire and Hunter to fly.On that note the Tintagel pilot’s story says it all regards the Hunter’s ‘quirks’ especially as it got older.Let alone when those quirks get into the private aircraft operation scene.
In which case as I’ve said the whole point of the CAA is to maximise safety and minise risk while maximising the enjoyment of those who like to see historic aircraft in action.On that note I don’t think the CAA would get many complaints ‘if’ they decided to ground aircraft like the Hunter and in fact all the first generation jets.While stopping airfields like Shoreham being able to hold air displays and tightening up/stopping private operation of complex military aircraft.
In favour of allowing aircraft like the Phantom and Lightning to fly. On the condition that they are only flown at operational military fighter base open days and are maintained and flown by the military not private operators and civilian pilots.I’d suggest that covers all the bases and keeps everyone happy.
While no I haven’t seen any comments like mine suggesting mechanical failure over pilot error in this case.Or any of the above solutions mentioned anywhere either in the media or amongst the aircraft enthusiast scene.
Carryfast:
In which case as I’ve said the whole point of the CAA is to maximise safety and minise risk while maximising the enjoyment of those who like to see historic aircraft in action.
To be fair I think the CAAs job extends a fair bit beyond keeping air show visitors happy. Be like saying the DVSA exist to make sure Truckfest visitors have a good time. 
I’ve also seen quite a few air crashes over the years. I wouldn’t even begin to start speculating on what caused this accident. The only thing that matters at this stage is that people have died due to a tragic accident.
RIP to all those involved.
No, CF. I meant the technical facts you mentioned.
I’m glad they’re reviewing details. People will in future still have a fun day out with ice creams.