We have a newly quantified driver who is adamant he can do two back to back 24 hours off then make up the difference by the end of the third week.
I told him it is 24,45,24,45 in that order and you can’t have two 24,s back to back .
You already know the answer so why an argument, just let them that think they know it all do what they want.
toby1234abc:
We have a newly quantified driver who is adamant he can do two back to back 24 hours off then make up the difference by the end of the third week.
I told him it is 24,45,24,45 in that order and you can’t have two 24,s back to back .
Surely that should read 24,45,24,66, the 66 is a 45 and the 21 hrs reduction to be made up by the 3rd week.
Otherwise your substantive point stands, every other weekly rest is required to be 45 
It can be done, the confusion comes because any 2 consecutive fixed weeks must have a min of 1 full and 1 reduced, but that is not the same as any 2 consecutive weekly rests
eddie snax:
toby1234abc:
We have a newly quantified driver who is adamant he can do two back to back 24 hours off then make up the difference by the end of the third week.
I told him it is 24,45,24,45 in that order and you can’t have two 24,s back to back .Surely that should read 24,45,24,66, the 66 is a 45 and the 21 hrs reduction to be made up by the 3rd week.
Otherwise your substantive point stands, every other weekly rest is required to be 45
He must be compensating on a daily rest in the week!
I wouldn’t worry. There are circumstances where it’s possible but everything has to be spot on and to be honest who would want to take reduced weekly rests
nick2008:
I wouldn’t worry. There are circumstances where it’s possible but everything has to be spot on and to be honest who would want to take reduced weekly rests
Everyone, if it suited them at the time
stevieboy308:
eddie snax:
toby1234abc:
We have a newly quantified driver who is adamant he can do two back to back 24 hours off then make up the difference by the end of the third week.
I told him it is 24,45,24,45 in that order and you can’t have two 24,s back to back .Surely that should read 24,45,24,66, the 66 is a 45 and the 21 hrs reduction to be made up by the 3rd week.
Otherwise your substantive point stands, every other weekly rest is required to be 45
He must be compensating on a daily rest in the week!
Huh, now you are confusing me. isn’t a weekly rest compensation to be attached to a weekly rest period 
, or have I been doing this wrong all these years 
. Though my attitude is, shorten my weekend, then I’ll just lengthen the next
eddie snax:
stevieboy308:
He must be compensating on a daily rest in the week!Huh, now you are confusing me. isn’t a weekly rest compensation to be attached to a weekly rest period
Compensation for a reduced weekly rest period can be paid back by adding it onto any rest period of at-least 9 hours, in other wordsthe compensation can be added onto a daily rest period or a reduced daily rest period.
stevieboy308:
It can be done, the confusion comes because any 2 consecutive fixed weeks must have a min of 1 full and 1 reduced, but that is not the same as any 2 consecutive weekly rests
Where did you find that bullshine?
“A driver must start a weekly rest period no later than at the end of six consecutive 24-hour periods from the end of the last weekly rest period.”
No mention of fixed weeks there, matey boy…
Do a search on VOSA’s Rules on Drivers’ Hours and Tachographs. Can’t attach the PDF on here, but that will tell you all that you should know…
The Sarge:
stevieboy308:
It can be done, the confusion comes because any 2 consecutive fixed weeks must have a min of 1 full and 1 reduced, but that is not the same as any 2 consecutive weekly restsWhere did you find that bullshine?
“A driver must start a weekly rest period no later than at the end of six consecutive 24-hour periods from the end of the last weekly rest period.”
No mention of fixed weeks there, matey boy…
Article 1.5. Weekly rest periods
In any two consecutive ‘fixed’ weeks a driver must take at least:
2 regular weekly rests or
one regular weekly rest and one reduced weekly rest
Well, bugger me! You learn something new every bloody day I honestly thought that you couldn’t do that 
I’m still not going to do it though
If you have only one weekly rest period each week it is possible under the right circumstances to have 2 back to back reduced weekly rest periods, but it cannot be done on a regular basis.
The Sarge:
Well, bugger me!
Is that the Welsh. Bit of you talking
nick2008:
I wouldn’t worry. There are circumstances where it’s possible but everything has to be spot on and to be honest who would want to take reduced weekly rests
If you were tramping around the EU , and only paid night out money when on weekly rest when i worked for GBA we would sometimes to 2 reduced weekly rests back to back, though quite often the first wasn’t required, but was because of the driving bans from 10pm Saturday to 10pm Sundays. A 45hrs weekly rest is fine if you are at home, but not in the lorry unless you are parked somewhere good
All these many types of threads on here point out as plain as the nose on your face that all this drivers hours bull ■■■■ are far too complex.
Drivers have all took a dcpc course (which is a ■■■■ joke in it’s self) but even after that many are still not 101% sure of the intricacies of all this crap.
It is a fact not a criticism that many drivers are a bit …shall we say challenged, in different degrees, and are getting into trouble only for not fully understanding every single little bit of this over complicated cluster ■■■■.
I would say maybe 1 in 10 are experts on it, as illustrated on this forum.
I know I have light heartedly took the ■■■■ out of these guys before on here (and got a bit of stick back 
) but I do genuinely take my hat off to them for even having the tolerance and patience to be even interested.
My own personal low boredom threshold prevents me from joining them, but I do know enough to get by and manage to get zero infringements, so that is enough for me as things stand.
The point I am trying to make is now we are supposedly leaving the EU, a more simplified system is needed, where you do not have to have a degree with honours to get your head around the do.s and do nots.
Anybody agree or are we all in driver hour type bliss.
robroy:
All these many types of threads on here point out as plain as the nose on your face that all this drivers hours bull [zb] are far too complex.Drivers have all took a dcpc course (which is a [zb] joke in it’s self) but even after that many are still not 101% sure of the intricacies of all this crap.
It is a fact not a criticism that many drivers are a bit …shall we say challenged, in different degrees, and are getting into trouble only for not fully understanding every single little bit of this over complicated cluster [zb].I would say maybe 1 in 10 are experts on it, as illustrated on this forum.
I know I have light heartedly took the ■■■■ out of these guys before on here (and got a bit of stick back
My own personal low boredom threshold prevents me from joining them, but I do know enough to get by and manage to get zero infringements, so that is enough for me as things stand.The point I am trying to make is now we are supposedly leaving the EU, a more simplified system is needed, where you do not have to have a degree with honours to get your head around the do.s and do nots.
Anybody agree or are we all in driver hour type bliss.
I would suggest most of us are only interested in the bits that are relevant to us. I’ve never been in a situation where I’ve had to consider taking 2 consecutive reduced weekly rests, so I couldn’t give a toss about learning that aspect. I’ve tried to read and digest some of this thread, but like you pal, my boredom threshold gets in the way…
tachograph:
eddie snax:
stevieboy308:
He must be compensating on a daily rest in the week!Huh, now you are confusing me. isn’t a weekly rest compensation to be attached to a weekly rest period
Compensation for a reduced weekly rest period can be paid back by adding it onto any rest period of at-least 9 hours, in other wordsthe compensation can be added onto a daily rest period or a reduced daily rest period.
Well I didn’t realise that, though I will still only give back reduced weekly rests on weekly rest periods, so that what I’ve lost from one weekend I get back on another
Evil8Beezle:
robroy:
All these many types of threads on here point out as plain as the nose on your face that all this drivers hours bull [zb] are far too complex.Drivers have all took a dcpc course (which is a [zb] joke in it’s self) but even after that many are still not 101% sure of the intricacies of all this crap.
It is a fact not a criticism that many drivers are a bit …shall we say challenged, in different degrees, and are getting into trouble only for not fully understanding every single little bit of this over complicated cluster [zb].I would say maybe 1 in 10 are experts on it, as illustrated on this forum.
I know I have light heartedly took the ■■■■ out of these guys before on here (and got a bit of stick back
My own personal low boredom threshold prevents me from joining them, but I do know enough to get by and manage to get zero infringements, so that is enough for me as things stand.The point I am trying to make is now we are supposedly leaving the EU, a more simplified system is needed, where you do not have to have a degree with honours to get your head around the do.s and do nots.
Anybody agree or are we all in driver hour type bliss.
I would suggest most of us are only interested in the bits that are relevant to us. I’ve never been in a situation where I’ve had to consider taking 2 consecutive reduced weekly rests, so I couldn’t give a toss about learning that aspect. I’ve tried to read and digest some of this thread, but like you pal, my boredom threshold gets in the way…
Well said you 2. Put into perspective the lunacy of the drivers hours rules, much of what seems to Me to have been watered down with reductions and loop holes at the behest of the operators.
A mate of mine is convinced that we will revert to British domestic rules, but I think that the government will just adopt the broad outline, or the complete book of the EU drivers hours rules into UK law after Brexit. I’m also of the understanding, that the British domestic rules are written as such that they only apply to 3.5ton and under, other than some defined sectors, though all that can be altered by act of parliament, but I still think what is bought into UK law will be a copy of the EU rules 
It’s a bit like my other thread! 
’ narrow mind! ’ doing six fifteens and all examples of doing six nights out, working on seventh day. You can do it, it’s just the way you interpret the RULES! It’s a minefield, full of EU BS! 
but when you explain it the right way to people it’s easy. Caio for now.