The Sarge:
Do a search on VOSA’s Rules on Drivers’ Hours and Tachographs. Can’t attach the PDF on here, but that will tell you all that you should know…
Didn’t you recognise where the attachment I put up came from?!!
toby1234abc:
We have a newly quantified driver who is adamant he can do two back to back 24 hours off then make up the difference by the end of the third week.
I told him it is 24,45,24,45 in that order and you can’t have two 24,s back to back .
Sorry Tobes but he’s right. 45 hours at the beginning of week 1, 24 hours at the end of week 1, 24 hours at the end of week 2, 45 hours at the end of week 3, perfectly legit.
robroy:
All these many types of threads on here point out as plain as the nose on your face that all this drivers hours bull [zb] are far too complex.Drivers have all took a dcpc course (which is a [zb] joke in it’s self) but even after that many are still not 101% sure of the intricacies of all this crap.
It is a fact not a criticism that many drivers are a bit …shall we say challenged, in different degrees, and are getting into trouble only for not fully understanding every single little bit of this over complicated cluster [zb].I would say maybe 1 in 10 are experts on it, as illustrated on this forum.
I know I have light heartedly took the ■■■■ out of these guys before on here (and got a bit of stick back) but I do genuinely take my hat off to them for even having the tolerance and patience to be even interested.
My own personal low boredom threshold prevents me from joining them, but I do know enough to get by and manage to get zero infringements, so that is enough for me as things stand.The point I am trying to make is now we are supposedly leaving the EU, a more simplified system is needed, where you do not have to have a degree with honours to get your head around the do.s and do nots.
Anybody agree or are we all in driver hour type bliss.
+1
Ironically it’s so bleedin complicated that anyone could still eventually forget more of it than they know. 
eddie snax:
tachograph:
eddie snax:
stevieboy308:
He must be compensating on a daily rest in the week!Huh, now you are confusing me. isn’t a weekly rest compensation to be attached to a weekly rest period
, or have I been doing this wrong all these years
Compensation for a reduced weekly rest period can be paid back by adding it onto any rest period of at-least 9 hours, in other wordsthe compensation can be added onto a daily rest period or a reduced daily rest period.
Well I didn’t realise that, though I will still only give back reduced weekly rests on weekly rest periods, so that what I’ve lost from one weekend I get back on another
Evil8Beezle:
robroy:
All these many types of threads on here point out as plain as the nose on your face that all this drivers hours bull [zb] are far too complex.Drivers have all took a dcpc course (which is a [zb] joke in it’s self) but even after that many are still not 101% sure of the intricacies of all this crap.
It is a fact not a criticism that many drivers are a bit …shall we say challenged, in different degrees, and are getting into trouble only for not fully understanding every single little bit of this over complicated cluster [zb].I would say maybe 1 in 10 are experts on it, as illustrated on this forum.
I know I have light heartedly took the ■■■■ out of these guys before on here (and got a bit of stick back
My own personal low boredom threshold prevents me from joining them, but I do know enough to get by and manage to get zero infringements, so that is enough for me as things stand.The point I am trying to make is now we are supposedly leaving the EU, a more simplified system is needed, where you do not have to have a degree with honours to get your head around the do.s and do nots.
Anybody agree or are we all in driver hour type bliss.
I would suggest most of us are only interested in the bits that are relevant to us. I’ve never been in a situation where I’ve had to consider taking 2 consecutive reduced weekly rests, so I couldn’t give a toss about learning that aspect. I’ve tried to read and digest some of this thread, but like you pal, my boredom threshold gets in the way…
Well said you 2. Put into perspective the lunacy of the drivers hours rules, much of what seems to Me to have been watered down with reductions and loop holes at the behest of the operators.
A mate of mine is convinced that we will revert to British domestic rules, but I think that the government will just adopt the broad outline, or the complete book of the EU drivers hours rules into UK law after Brexit. I’m also of the understanding, that the British domestic rules are written as such that they only apply to 3.5ton and under, other than some defined sectors, though all that can be altered by act of parliament, but I still think what is bought into UK law will be a copy of the EU rules
Realistically there’s no reason why we can’t have a simplified fit for purpose domestic regs regime for all UK operations and AETR for international.Or possibly even negotiate a domestic regs derogation for UK reg vehicles running internationally.Bearing in mind that like trade ‘they’ would have more to lose by making a fight of it than we would.
This is legal
Week 1 - 15 to 21 aug = regular weekly rest for that week on 20 + 21
Week 2 - 22 to 28 aug … 27 + 28 + 29 off (84 hours) so reduced of 39 hours for week 2 AND regular 45 for week 3
week 3 - 29 aug to 4 sep with 4 sep off so reduced for week 4
week 4 - 5 to 11 sep with 11 sep off so reduced but not used for any week + 6 used for payback from week 2
Week 5 - 12 to 18 sep with 17 + 18 off = regular for week 5
Sorry Tobes but he’s right. 45 hours at the beginning of week 1, 24 hours at the end of week 1, 24 hours at the end of week 2, 45 hours at the end of week 3, perfectly legit.
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+1…ive done that for months at a time over the last 20 odd years and never had any greif from it.45,24,24,45.if you show breaks like that,itl never be a prob,and running from Ireland my cards are scrutinised to the nth degree on a more than regular basis.
dieseldog999:
ive done that for months at a time over the last 20 odd years and never had any greif from it.45,24,24,45.if you show breaks like that,itl never be a prob,and running from Ireland my cards are scrutinised to the nth degree on a more than regular basis.
Yes but its far easier to hide when you have a choice of three tacho cards to give them…
I swear to god it would be easier to learn to fly a Jumbo jet or play Pick-up-Sticks with yer bum cheeks than learn these rules inside out…
It’s a mess and it needs sorting out.
Face it, what the hell is the point of trying recover two or three hours of break time, what ever… 3 weeks later? It’s just bleedin’daft.
yourhavingalarf:
I swear to god it would be easier to learn to fly a Jumbo jet or play Pick-up-Sticks with yer bum cheeks than learn these rules inside out…It’s a mess and it needs sorting out.
Face it, what the hell is the point of trying recover two or three hours of break time, what ever… 3 weeks later? It’s just bleedin’daft.
the real question is, who the hell would want to? Letting some office jerk ■■■■ you about away from home longer… i’ll stick with my 45 hours contract and any overtime cash in hand the next morning
The-Snowman:
dieseldog999:
ive done that for months at a time over the last 20 odd years and never had any greif from it.45,24,24,45.if you show breaks like that,itl never be a prob,and running from Ireland my cards are scrutinised to the nth degree on a more than regular basis.Yes but its far easier to hide when you have a choice of three tacho cards to give them…
gasp…only 2…1 for each side of the ferry…we don’t want to mention the irish one on here as its for must make boat trips exclusively…being Scottish and living in n.i. has its merits when your arguing over missing miles… 
yourhavingalarf:
I swear to god it would be easier to learn to fly a Jumbo jet or play Pick-up-Sticks with yer bum cheeks than learn these rules inside out…It’s a mess and it needs sorting out.
Face it, what the hell is the point of trying recover two or three hours of break time, what ever… 3 weeks later? It’s just bleedin’daft.
Yeh the bastds have us just about jumping through hoops.
I’m all for rules and regs to maintain and promote road safety caused by driver fatigue, but do these rules really need to be so complex to acheive this? I reckon not.
Or am I being a bit slow here are they designed just so primarily just to raise a few quid…who would have thought it eh?
