coreysboys:
(only £44 each)
Care to share where these £44 courses are, trainers who are doing the cheapest courses deserve a mention 
tachograph:
coreysboys:
(only £44 each)Care to share where these £44 courses are, trainers who are doing the cheapest courses deserve a mention
Agency will likely have retainers in place so they won’t be available to J Public for that price.
I gave the agencies I subbie to my new rates from September earlier in the week expecting the usual “we can’t pay them rates, we don’t make any money on you as it is!”, but for once there’s not been a peep and my current rates are already well above the average for this area. 
Might be looking at another increase in October if I see places really struggling to get bums on seats. 
And then another increase in November, December… 
I wish this site had a dedicated DCPC forum so all the info on the rules and courses would be in one place
coreysboys:
So, am 3 modules through my DCPC with 2 more this weekend (only £44 each).
Last week the instructor said that out of 1.5 million registered LGV licence holders in the UK only 1 million had to date embarked on their DCPC leaving a shortfall come September 10th of 500,000 drivers in the UK.Does anybody on here know anything that bears this to be correct?
If it is the case, the country will come to a standstill within a fortnight surely?
1/3 of supermarket deliveries not made, 1/3 of stock not being delivered to manufacturers, 1/3 less biomass getting to power stations, 1/3 less fuel to the petrol stations etc.Surely this can’t be correct can it? There would be uproar if it were even slightly likely to occur
More to the point why is your trainer talking rubbish
Here is a section from the dft website
webarchive.nationalarchives.gov. … ge=8#a1014
Hopefully this is a link, but its this Report on the review of the UK’s implementation of the EU road transport working time Directiveif you need to find it
At the third meeting of the Data Validation Working Group, it was agreed that the Labour Force Survey (LFS) would be used to establish the number of mobile workers in-scope of the Regulations. The LFS figures would be broken down using a combination of the Standard Occupation Classification (SOC) and Standard Industrial Classification (SIC) in order to try and get a more accurate figure. In addition, the LFS would be used to ascertain the number of self-employed drivers (although it was noted that the definition of self-employed driver under the Regulations was more restrictive).
LFS Survey Analysis
Breaking down the LFS figures into precise SIC codes resulted in large amounts of data falling significantly below the 10,000 reliability figure, so where possible aggregate figures across classifications were used. The figures used are for Spring 2007.
Goods vehicle drivers
The LFS showed that 297,000 workers were classified as Heavy Goods Vehicle Drivers (SOC code 8211) which included drivers of vehicles over 7.5 tonnes. The LFS showed that 199,000 workers were classified as Van Drivers (SOC code 8212) which covered drivers of small light goods vehicles up to 7.5 tonnes. Not all of these drivers would be driving vehicles in-scope. Industries likely to have significant numbers of drivers out of scope included agriculture, hunting and forestry, energy supply, public administration and defence, health and social work and sewage and refuse approximately 22,000 drivers. However, DfT decided to include them all, to make up for potential shortfalls elsewhere. This gave a total of 496,000 Van and HGV drivers.
The LFS showed that the total number of Van and HGV drivers who are classed as self-employed comes to 48,000. Whilst recognising that the definition of self-employed under the Regulations is more restrictive, DfT felt that this gave a reasonable estimate.
Subtracting 48,000 drivers from 496,000 gives a final estimate based on the LFS of 448,000 goods vehicle drivers in-scope of the Regulations.
This estimate sits reasonably well with information on the number of vehicles. According to the Traffic Commissioner’s Report 2005-2006 there were 368,200 goods vehicles on license (although this will not include hire vehicles). Whereas DfT’s Transport Statistics Great Britain 2006 stated that there were 441,100 licensed goods carrying rigid and articulated vehicles over 3.5 tonnes in 2005. This figure is reduced to 414,400 if rigid vehicles categorised as a body type more likely to be out of scope are excluded (namely refuse disposal, concrete mixer, street cleaner, tractor, livestock carrier, motor home, special mobile unit and mobile plant).
Taking into consideration that there would be more drivers than vehicles, DfT felt that the figure of 448,000 goods vehicles drivers’ in-scope of the Regulations was a robust figure that could be used for the review.
This shows that in 2007 there was not even 500000 drivers(working in the industry and therefore needing a dcpc), and since then we had this recession, which is supposed to have shrunk the Industry
Its also why I 
when I hear that the Industry is 50000-80000, or what ever buncum figure the agencies come up with when they are trying to drum up business
Did mine a couple of months ago in sunderland with UGET training. Didn’t learn much but had a good laugh & plenty tea and biscuits. Cost £45 per day.
personally il just cowboy away with no dcpc and wing it as I go,though if theres half a million drivers short,then watch how johnny foreigner fills the vacencys smartly…end of driver shortage and agency rates depressed in no time…flash in the pan…
i did mine a few weeks ago and kept being told off for nodding off and texting,
Ladies and gentlemen…our time has come 
alf1956:
I have just recently joined this site so i don’t know if this topic has been covered already. A few mates of mine who are fellow drivers are convinced that come September a lot of drivers wont have taken the DCPC&there will then be a glut of jobs to choose from&you will be able to name your price. What do you forum members think ?
wait and see,personally I don’t think it will be as bad as people make out,but I am also a pessimist
Morrisons who dont normally pay an enhanced rate have offered time and a half for tomorrow (Saturday) and Ive got a job for DHL on Sunday at £24-50 per hour "because theyre deperate"! I also got offered a full time job today, (I dont want one though) I may add that Im in the North East and not in some of the usually well paid spots.
Things are on the up although as someone said, we`ll not be getting rich.
The fact some companies are ‘desperate’ at the moment us probably more to do with the fact it’s summer holiday time than the DCPC.
I’m working in the fitness industry and picking up lots of extra shifts in the gym and fitness classes for that reason and I hear the same thing when the phone rings-“Can you help us out, we’re desperate?”
I personally I think there won’t be much difference between the 10th, 11th, 12th and so on of September and the days before the 9th.
Coffeeholic:
The fact some companies are ‘desperate’ at the moment us probably more to do with the fact it’s summer holiday time than the DCPC.I’m working in the fitness industry and picking up lots of extra shifts in the gym and fitness classes for that reason and I hear the same thing when the phone rings-“Can you help us out, we’re desperate?”
I personally I think there won’t be much difference between the 10th, 11th, 12th and so on of September and the days before the 9th.
I`m on my 8th year on the agency and have never seen so many good opportunities on offer. The CPC caper has not yet come into force so any shortage we have now can have nothing to do with it, but it will only be exasperated come September surely.
Also, reading some posters, they say they`re going to not do it and just wing it until they get pulled. How much is this a realistic position? Are there really companies out there who will allow drivers to continue without the CPC?
Sounds a little far fetched to me.
cheekymonkey:
Coffeeholic:
The fact some companies are ‘desperate’ at the moment us probably more to do with the fact it’s summer holiday time than the DCPC.I’m working in the fitness industry and picking up lots of extra shifts in the gym and fitness classes for that reason and I hear the same thing when the phone rings-“Can you help us out, we’re desperate?”
I personally I think there won’t be much difference between the 10th, 11th, 12th and so on of September and the days before the 9th.
I`m on my 8th year on the agency and have never seen so many good opportunities on offer. The CPC caper has not yet come into force so any shortage we have now can have nothing to do with it, but it will only be exasperated come September surely.
Also, reading some posters, they say they`re going to not do it and just wing it until they get pulled. How much is this a realistic position? Are there really companies out there who will allow drivers to continue without the CPC?
Sounds a little far fetched to me.
How many companies are prepared to put their operators licence on the line by not checking DQC entitlement, I would have thought not too many.
I think work will pick up a bit because of two main factors, 1. there will be drivers not doing the DCPC training, 2. the economy is slowly picking up.
I think these two things together could make a difference especially in the last quarter of the year as the Christmas peak begins to bite, but I don’t see a massive driver shortage on the horizon any time soon.
holliefabbabe:
‘…I … kept being told off for nodding off and texting…’
As long as you’re not disruptive, maybe politely suggest to the ‘instructor’ (Book Reader & Windows Operator?) that he/she should simply do their job on the EU’s behalf, take their money and consider sticking to their script without offending you, the customer.
Nowt I know about says that you’ve got to be awake or even sat in a chair - which suggests that you could have had a lay down with that nap
I am led to believe that Stobrats are offering £11.05 for Night Drivers, I am awaiting a picture to prove it, otherwise it is BS
Coffeeholic:
I’m working in the fitness industry and picking up lots of extra shifts in the gym and fitness classes for that reason
Last time I frequented this forum you were on for DHL? Are you out of the game? In a gym?
MikeDBristol:
Coffeeholic:
I’m working in the fitness industry and picking up lots of extra shifts in the gym and fitness classes for that reasonLast time I frequented this forum you were on for DHL? Are you out of the game? In a gym?
Been out of it getting on for 18 months. I’m a Personal Trainer, Gym Instructor and Group Fitness Instructor these days, much more fun and job satisfaction.
cheekymonkey:
Also, reading some posters, they say they`re going to not do it and just wing it until they get pulled. How much is this a realistic position? Are there really companies out there who will allow drivers to continue without the CPC?
Sounds a little far fetched to me.
There have been many instances of UK based lorries being pulled in recent times, where the driver hasn’t even got a valid driving license and one small haulier oop north somewhere that not only had no operators license, but when Vosa checked over the fleet two of them were actually stolen vehicles.
I have no doubt a few chancers will take the risk on not getting pulled in the next 12 months, especially if they getting close to retirement age, or currently looking for a job outside the industry. My dcpc cost me £300, but no idea how much someone would get fined, as lets be honest, it truly is a totally worthless piece of plastic that serves no real purpose. It doesn’t make anyone a better driver, or protect other road users.
trubster:
I am led to believe that Stobrats are offering £11.05 for Night Drivers, I am awaiting a picture to prove it, otherwise it is BS
The picture don’t prove nowt. I applied for the £38k job - and got told (when being given my averly assessment date) it’s “£8.10ph for midweek nights”…
And this… In the southeast FFS.
I trusted that information enough to ask Stobarts to remove me from their contact lists - full stop. 
Winseer:
trubster:
I am led to believe that Stobrats are offering £11.05 for Night Drivers, I am awaiting a picture to prove it, otherwise it is BSThe picture don’t prove nowt. I applied for the £38k job - and got told (when being given my averly assessment date) it’s “£8.10ph for midweek nights”…
And this… In the southeast FFS.I trusted that information enough to ask Stobarts to remove me from their contact lists - full stop.
Said photo has materialised… Probably BS as you said.
