So I gotta upload my tacho so they can send it off to vosa, obv they always find something wrong so what should I be expecting back lol ?
I know I left my tacho in overnight twice by accident and had to move my lorry twice while on break but I had extra 5-10 mins ontop of the 45 mins to make up for it
who has to send your tacho to vosa? and why?
The company downloads your digicard to their system
The company does not send that info to VOSA - there is no obligation to do so legal or otherwise
If VOSA want that info they will either get it by downloading your card at the roadside or visiting the company to get the info
After 6 months VOSA do not usually bother with any infringements found
well I’ve just been stung for 860 quid for moving with no card in, they took 4 months of my tacho’s after a dispute with an anonamouse (dunno how to spell that lol) neighbour about bringing my lorry home, they wanted to see where it had been kept during that period and unfortunately found i’d moved on 6 occasions with no card in - the total amount of missing k’s didn’t even add up to more than 50… a bit harsh in my opinion, but then I moved with no card in which is wrong in the eyes of the law. 
Ryan090:
So I gotta upload my tacho so they can send it off to vosa, obv they always find something wrong so what should I be expecting back lol ?
I know I left my tacho in overnight twice by accident and had to move my lorry twice while on break but I had extra 5-10 mins ontop of the 45 mins to make up for it
Do you know why VOSA have asked to see your records ?
VOSA will only find something wrong if there is something wrong, so I don’t know why you say that they always find something wrong 
Anyway, when you left your card in overnight was it left on other work, if so presumably you did a printout and wrote an explanation on it so that shouldn’t be anything to worry about.
What is of concern is the fact that you say you “had to move my lorry twice while on break”, why would you have to move the vehicle while it’s on break, you should know that you are not allowed to do that except in an emergency.
Adding extra time onto the break doesn’t do anything to make it legal and does not make up for it as you say.
To be honest it sounds like you have quite a cavalier attitude towards the regulations, unless you are happy to spend half your wages on fines I would seriously suggest altering that 
Ryan090:
had to move my lorry twice while on break but I had extra 5-10 mins ontop of the 45 mins to make up for it
Did you have more than 4.5 hours driving time up to and including the said movements, then also did you have 45 mins off from the END of said movement? If not its technically an infringement regardless of having an extra 10 mins… If its a one off/abnormal situation then do a print out and write on it why it needed moving. If its once in a while and for specific reasons on a print out VOSA won’t even blink, but if its regular or no print out to explain then expect a FPN…
Prosecuting someone who has had a total of 50/55 minutes break interrupted by moving the lorry a few feet to ‘let someone out’ is taking compliance to ridiculous lengths. Tachograph analysis should be able to distinguish between moving forward in a queue which is clearly a contravention of the regulations, and simply being helpful; if it can’t then what is the point? Changing bays at an RDC is a different matter, especially if the break started 30/35 minutes before the request.
Reading that 4 month’s tacho charts have been demanded on occasion, just how long is one supposed to keep a print out upon which there is some sort of comment? several years for an occasional driver?
Not sure why it’s being sent off I just got told most the companies are being sent to the big guys lol.
When I left my tacho in overnight I did a printout and left it in the lorry.
I had to move my lorry as once the security told me it wasn’t a good place although it wasn’t in the way of anything or on any lines etc and other time was to let someone out as he was moaning but I put it straight back onto break, both times I wasn’t close to my 4.5 hours driving tho
cav551:
Reading that 4 month’s tacho charts have been demanded on occasion, just how long is one supposed to keep a print out upon which there is some sort of comment? several years for an occasional driver?
VOSA could only ask for 4 months records from an employer, and they should keep any required printouts for 12 months, 2 years if the tachograph records are being used for the working time regulations.
Thanx Tachograph.
Further to this, how long is the driver supposed to keep said commented upon print out? More than28 days?
cav551:
Thanx Tachograph.
Further to this, how long is the driver supposed to keep said commented upon print out? More than28 days?
The driver needs to carry required printouts for 28 days and hand them in to the operator within 42 days.
However as a lot of companies download the card data on a daily/weekly basis, if a driver needs a printout to explain a deviation from the regulations I generally suggest taking two printouts and writing the explanation on both of them.
That way you can hand one in when the card is downloaded to keep the compliance person happy, and keep one with you for the 28 days to keep VOSA happy.
if my response to this thread has caused any confusion, I was on analogue at the time and not digital tacho. they were trying to find out how often I had been bringing my truck home and the traffic commissioner had instructed my local area office to have a good look at my charts, no doubt this wouldn’t have happened if I had not have written a couple of “lippy”/sternletters to vosa regarding the complaints.
sixaxles:
if my response to this thread has caused any confusion, I was on analogue at the time and not digital tacho. they were trying to find out how often I had been bringing my truck home and the traffic commissioner had instructed my local area office to have a good look at my charts, no doubt this wouldn’t have happened if I had not have written a couple of “lippy”/sternletters to vosa regarding the complaints.
you def failed the attitude test there matey 
taking the truck home and not parking in operating centre, using the vehicle with no tacho in and then writing to vosa to complain about neighbours complaining, no wonder you got a huge fine
but its all someone else’s fault
you couldn’t make it up
sixaxles:
well I’ve just been stung for 860 quid for moving with no card in, they took 4 months of my tacho’s after a dispute with an anonamouse (dunno how to spell that lol) neighbour about bringing my lorry home, they wanted to see where it had been kept during that period and unfortunately found i’d moved on 6 occasions with no card in - the total amount of missing k’s didn’t even add up to more than 50… a bit harsh in my opinion, but then I moved with no card in which is wrong in the eyes of the law.
Who fined you? Vosa or the courts?
If vosa, Dispute it.
If it’s the courts, Appeal the conviction unless you pleaded guilty.
Taking the lorry home nowadays is stupid. No need to appeal. We all used to do it 30 years ago but you just will not get away with it nowadays.
In my limited experience, the times when VOSA send for drivers records are when they are investigating something bigger, like a previous employer, normally when this happens the transport office self ignites or the bosses car is stolen and all that goes missing is a box of tachograph charts and time sheets.
Have you got a big dog that chews everything? Would you like to borrow mine? 
bristolron:
Taking the lorry home nowadays is stupid.
Why? If it’s parked legally what’s the problem? It’s not any different from overnighting in a layby except you get to use a bigger cooker.
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bristolron:
Taking the lorry home nowadays is stupid.Why? If it’s parked legally what’s the problem? It’s not any different from overnighting in a layby except you get to use a bigger cooker.
Isn’t it something to do with using the operating centre on the o licence as often as possible?
I could be wrong
why would you have to move the vehicle while it’s on break, you should know that you are not allowed to do that except in an emergency.
Is that true?
I’ve moved off and parked elsewhere after having a 10 minute break in all. I moved the lorry within my driving hours and WTD time. I was just chucking in a 15 to make the other break shorter
Wheel Nut:
In my limited experience, the times when VOSA send for drivers records are when they are investigating something bigger, like a previous employer, normally when this happens the transport office self ignites or the bosses car is stolen and all that goes missing is a box of tachograph charts and time sheets.
When I had my own motors in the 80s I err…unfortunately had a fire start in the office two days before an arranged visit from the then Ministry (pre VOSA days)
About 3 years after I had packed in, I got pulled at a roadside check, the guy looked at my name on the tacho and looked right at me, gave a grin and said “that names familiar had any unexpected fires lately”… they’ve got memories like elephants those ■■■■■■■■ 