Semi-skimmed anyone?

Have Mansell Davies binned one?

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It looks like the barrel has come adrift, don’t look like a tractor unit has been recovered from in there?
A big fine on the way if it has wiped out all the fish,

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Looks like a cream job.

That will be a mega insurance claim, I used to pull milk tanks when I was an owner driver. It was the most expensive part of my insurance, my broker said it was almost cheaper to insure a fuel tanker, fuel floats on top of the water, milk mixes with water and de-oxygenates it killing everything

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GOG47:
That will be a mega insurance claim, I used to pull milk tanks when I was an owner driver. It was the most expensive part of my insurance, my broker said it was almost cheaper to insure a fuel tanker, fuel floats on top of the water, milk mixes with water and de-oxygenates it killing everything

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Yes, this will be a serious problem, and so close after the big case were the TC nearly shut them down for falsifying maintenance records, and bad maintenance performance.

If there turns out to be a maintenance issue with this trailer, I can see them getting shut down. I’m sure that whoever’s they are pulling them barrels for, will have a quiet word with Gregories and Wincanton soon…

Diesel Dave , here is question for you , is milk classed as ADR and if it is , are there signs on tankers to display that or not ?

Tarmaceater:
Diesel Dave , here is question for you , is milk classed as ADR and if it is , are there signs on tankers to display that or not ?

Of course it’s not ADR you thick [zb] !

You must be thick if you can only communicate by swearing, a typical type cast thick lorry driver, I bet you love wearing a high viz vest as that post has obviously offended you and made you cry .

To get back to the question, Milk is not considered to be hazardous goods for road transport under ADR 2021, (this is available to view online and download FOC, not that it would make much sense to people without some training). I can’t speak for sea transport (IMDG) or air (IATA), their regs could be different
airseadg.com/general-news/d … rect=en-GB

Many food substances could present hazards but are not listed under ADR. For example butter or any of those butter-like spreads we might have once called ā€œmargarineā€: in a fire, vehicles carrying these products could be equally as hazardous as an ADR vehicle carrying flammable material - The Mont Blanc tunnel fire being a prime example.

Despite the hazards that could be presented by large quantities of certain foodstuffs during road transport, I don’t see that any foodstuff is likely to become listed as hazardous goods, nor require the EHS placard, not least of all because there’d be crazy conspiracy theories based on Bill Gates/World Government/The Great Reset or some other such nonsense :unamused:

Zac_A:
To get back to the question, Milk is not considered to be hazardous goods for road transport under ADR 2021, (this is available to view online and download FOC, not that it would make much sense to people without some training). I can’t speak for sea transport (IMDG) or air (IATA), their regs could be different
airseadg.com/general-news/d … rect=en-GB

Many food substances could present hazards but are not listed under ADR. For example butter or any of those butter-like spreads we might have once called ā€œmargarineā€: in a fire, vehicles carrying these products could be equally as hazardous as an ADR vehicle carrying flammable material - The Mont Blanc tunnel fire being a prime example.

Despite the hazards that could be presented by large quantities of certain foodstuffs during road transport, I don’t see that any foodstuff is likely to become listed as hazardous goods, nor require the EHS placard, not least of all because there’d be crazy conspiracy theories based on Bill Gates/World Government/The Great Reset or some other such nonsense :unamused:

Alcohol is certainly a hazardous foodstuff, especially when over 80% pure and in tanks.
40% in limited quantities (bottles) it ain’t.
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Long time since my ticket ran out, so I’ll leave it there.
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I do agree that some non has by road loads need various ā€œmarine pollutantā€ notices etc. Cream never used to be one of them, but again it is several years since I did that in tanks, so I’ll say nowt about current rules.
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Can we also agree that is not wise to take a guess about such things, and try applying ā€œeveryday common senseā€ to these things?
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Sodium Hydroxide and Chlorine is used to clean bulk milk tankers and we are still waiting if those chemicals are ADR from resident ADR expert Diesel Dave ?

^^^ of course they are. C’mon Toby ffs!

You can tell the pubs are open , don’t rise up to the bait, do I need to display orange ADR plates while hauling strawberry or chocolate milk shake ?

Tarmaceater:
Diesel Dave , here is question for you , is milk classed as ADR and if it is , are there signs on tankers to display that or not ?

Milk and milk products are not classed as hazardous for road transport . Nor do they have to display haz boards when on ferries . The problem with milk is when it gets into a water source ( stream , river ,lake ) it takes almost all the oxygen out of the water and will kill all the fish in the stream, river lake ) If memory serves me correctly it takes about 100 thousand gallons of water to dilute a gallon of milk to a safe level in a watercourse . That tanker could have potentially have 5-6 thousand gallons on board so will need millions of gallons to dilute it to a safe level .Many miles downstream from the spill will have to be cleaned and restocked with fish .

the maoster:
^^^ of course they are. C’mon Toby ffs!

Toby ?
I think the poster is just a clueless kid who probably hasn’t even driven a truck. No-one who has worked in the industry would be asking such dumb questions.

Tarmaceater:
Sodium Hydroxide and Chlorine is used to clean bulk milk tankers and we are still waiting if those chemicals are ADR from resident ADR expert Diesel Dave ?

As Dave often says, he does has a life outside of TN, you don’t have to rely on a man of his vast experience to look up a couple of products to see if they’re in the books
UN 1823 Sodium Hydroxide, Solid, PGII, Class 8
UN 1824, Sodium Hydroxide, Solution can be either PG II or PG III depending on concentration, Class 8

Chlorine has about 21 entries in the book, depending on how it is presented it can be one or all of these Classes: 2.3, 5.1 and 8

adrbook.com/en/2017/TabloA/Chlorine

Tarmaceater:
You can tell the pubs are open , don’t rise up to the bait, do I need to display orange ADR plates while hauling strawberry or chocolate milk shake ?

Strawberry milkshake = no
Chocolate milkshake = no
Banana milkshake = yes, as bananas are a fuel source

There are a few dangerous goods that are food/drink ingredients, for example:

PHOSPHORIC ACID (UN Class 8 ) is an ingredient of Coca-Cola

ACETIC ACID (UN Class 8 ) is an ingredient of vinegar

As already mentioned, ALCOHOL (UN Class 3) is also dangerous goods, depending on concentration, some of it is regulated by ADR.

FOOD EXTRACTS and FOOD FLAVOURINGS may also count as dangerous goods, usually depending on the concentration of the mixture.

Now for milk… as things currently stand, milk does NOT count as dangerous goods. The fact that it pollutes and de-oxygenates water water has been mentioned above, but milk does not meet the criteria in ADR for it to be counted as a pollutant to the aquatic environment contained in the ā€˜decision trees’ for inclusion in UN Class 9 as a pollutant.
(ADR section 2.2.9.1.10 is for anybody interested in reading 10+ pages of scientific criteria! :open_mouth: )

I believe that there are some ongoing discussions amongst the powers that be as to whether milk should be regulated in some way. AFAIK, there’s nothing more than a discussion at this time.

So strawberry milkshake is not ADR even though an allergic reaction to strawberries can you give you anaphylactic shock and shut the respiratory system down, look what happened to the pretty girl who died on flight after eating a sandwich ?

Tarmaceater:
So strawberry milkshake is not ADR even though an allergic reaction to strawberries can you give you anaphylactic shock and shut the respiratory system down, look what happened to the pretty girl who died on flight after eating a sandwich ?

That’s a very good point and one of the reasons why I insist on glueing an orange board to the back of my head when I eat peanuts.