selling up.

Harry Monk:

newmercman:

Harry Monk:

war1974:
33% profit aint bad you must have some accountant :open_mouth:

No- a good accountant is one who tells you ( and HMRC) that you have traded unprofitably over the last year. :stuck_out_tongue:

Really?

If you can manage that only using the standard (legal) deductions, then your accountant is probably telling the truth.

Amazon, Google, Starbucks?

Yeah but they’re constantly reinvesting into the company, making acquisitions and expanding, plus they no doubt give backhanders to the right people in DC.

Can’t see the similarities between them and anyone that runs lorries, especially owner drivers.

As you are more than aware, it’s simple to run at a nett loss, I have only made a $2000 profit so far this year, despite clearing approx 3x what I did as an employee, the deductions you can take are seemingly endless (thank you taxman) but I would still like to give the taxman a nice fat cheque as then I would be keeping far more than I give away.

The point is that whether you run a large company or a small one, a good accountant minimises your tax liability. A bad accountant- and there are plenty of those- sees him or herself as the local HMRC representative.

I’ve been trading for over two years now and in that time I have not paid one single penny in PAYE or National Insurance (Although I get a NI credit every week) and my company has not paid one single penny in Corporation Tax, the only tax I have ever paid is the VAT.

But somehow, I have just managed to pay £23,160 for my narrowboat as well as around £5,000 in improvements, mooring fees, insurance etc, and I didn’t get that money courtesy of the Magic Money Fairy. It all came from pulling brown and yellow trailers up and down the road, and having a good accountant.

True, but there comes a time, hopefully, where you break that threshold and run out of deductions, then you have to pay, that’s where I want to be, I’ve got as much as is possible from the allowances, not one penny has been paid when I didn’t need to.

So after that point has been reached there’s no option but to pay out, so the bigger the cheque, the more I get to keep too.

I’ll give you another example of the difference between a good accountant and a bad accountant. My brother runs a property renovation company, he paints and decorates Post Offices, prisons, Ministry buildings, that sort of thing. It’s a bigger firm than mine, I think he employs four people, he also uses subbies.

About six months ago, he said to me “I’m going to change my accountant, he’s absolutely crap, all he seems interested in is raising as much money as possible for HMRC”. He did change his accountant, and his new accountant rechecked and resubmitted his last year’s accounts. Shortly afterwards he received a tax rebate of £13,000.

Showing profit, showing loss or breaking even has absolutely no connection with whether you are making money or not, it’s entirely down to the ability and skill of the person who prepares and submits the accounts. In my experience, the greatest false economy an owner driver can make is to choose an accountant based solely on cost because as with everything else, you get what you pay for.

This is going slightly off topic but then again limey phil seems to be quiet what i would like to know is directions to a good accountant live in west london but he/she doesnt have to be local as i presume most things can be done by email now

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I would like to know if the £1200 penalties levied by HRMC against me because I was (extra) late in sending in my tax return can be offset against next years? :confused:

Harry Monk:
I’ll give you another example of the difference between a good accountant and a bad accountant. My brother runs a property renovation company, he paints and decorates Post Offices, prisons, Ministry buildings, that sort of thing. It’s a bigger firm than mine, I think he employs four people, he also uses subbies.

About six months ago, he said to me “I’m going to change my accountant, he’s absolutely crap, all he seems interested in is raising as much money as possible for HMRC”. He did change his accountant, and his new accountant rechecked and resubmitted his last year’s accounts. Shortly afterwards he received a tax rebate of £13,000.

Showing profit, showing loss or breaking even has absolutely no connection with whether you are making money or not, it’s entirely down to the ability and skill of the person who prepares and submits the accounts. In my experience, the greatest false economy an owner driver can make is to choose an accountant based solely on cost because as with everything else, you get what you pay for.

There are a finite number of deductions you can make, once you use all of them you have to pay tax. It’s as simple as that.

In our game if you own/lease/rent equipment/property then those deductions are enough to cover most of your liabilities to the tax man, but there will come a time where your profits overcome the deductions (hopefully) and you have no choice but to write that cheque.

Before I finished up in Britain I had my 6 lorries working almost 24/7, apart from a night trunk to S.Wales, which was loaded both ways (both on round trip rates) I was doing local work, so my outgoings were reasonably low. I owned a couple of the lorries and trailers outright and financed the remainder, plus a few hired trailers here and there.

I was making a decent living, on the surface I should’ve been given HMRC a tidy sum, but the cost of doing business as worked out by my accountant, meant that I gave them SFA and of course I was very pleased about that. I also got a refund off the VAT man every quarter as one of my jobs (the outbound leg of the night trunk) was for a Belgian company. There were no shenanigans committed by my accountant, he just played the game.

But, and this is my point, I had pretty much exhausted all my deductions, if I had got a rate increase I would have had to start paying taxes on the increased profits, but even so, I would’ve still been making more money even though the tax man was now having his share.

Personally, that’s the point I want to reach, my ultimate goal is to make as much money as possible and if I have to give a bit to the tax man in order to have more myself then I’m more than happy with that arrangement.

Although I would be extremely ■■■■■■ off if the tax man got a single penny more than was absolutely necessary.

so, where is Phil? Has he “bought” a company yet?

agree a good accountant can save you loads £££

having been in the RAF a guy i served with claimed for so many things to save on tax (mind you he filled in endless forms) but claimed for things like brasso, polish etc. things i wouldnt hav even thought about trying to claim for but it all added up into a nice saving. (think one of his family were accountant/hmrc).

and come on Phil have you sourced a comapny yet?

newmercman:
I was making a decent living, on the surface I should’ve been given HMRC a tidy sum, but the cost of doing business as worked out by my accountant, meant that I gave them SFA and of course I was very pleased about that. I also got a refund off the VAT man every quarter as one of my jobs (the outbound leg of the night trunk) was for a Belgian company. There were no shenanigans committed by my accountant, he just played the game.

But, and this is my point, I had pretty much exhausted all my deductions, if I had got a rate increase I would have had to start paying taxes on the increased profits, but even so, I would’ve still been making more money even though the tax man was now having his share.

Yes, for sure, one of the reasons I’ve paid no tax so far is that the accountant wrote off the entire cost of the tractor unit (£25,000) against my first trading year’s figures (vehicles used to have to be written off at 18% per year over five years but this changed a couple of years ago). This, coupled with the fact that on the day the company tax year ended I had carried out five months work but had only been paid for three of them, meant that my first year’s trading figures showed a rather impressive £35,000 loss.

Now of course, this doesn’t mean I had actually lost £35,000 in five months, I suppose that’s the difference between accountancy and real life. But it did mean I could carry that loss forward and won’t pay tax until my profits have equalled that amount. In the second year I think he showed a profit of £12,000 after wages so at that rate it would be three years before I did become liable for tax.

However, next year I only plan on working nine months, and from 2016 only six months of the year so in reality it will take longer. I need to keep the truck for five years so I don’t have any tax liability when I do eventually sell it.

So if I do manage to cling on until 2017 (and to be perfectly honest, the thought of going to live permanently on my narrowboat grows stronger by the day) then I should manage to get out without ever having given HMRC SFA too.

As with your accountant, there are no shenanigans played by my accountant- he wouldn’t risk his career for a tuppeny-ha’penny lorry driver- he’s just the type of accountant who does everything legally possible to limit his clients’ exposure to tax, as I said earlier there are many accountants who seem to prefer earning HMRC Brownie Points.

If I ever did sell the company, there is already somebody who has first refusal on it. However, if that person didn’t want to proceed, it would be an honour to sell it to Limeyphil, as I’d enjoy reading about it afterwards in the legal pages of Commercial Motor. :stuck_out_tongue:

If Burnley si could pass me on his details I’ll pass them on.

Thanks.

limeyphil:
If Burnley si could pass me on his details I’ll pass them on.

Thanks.

Phil, make me an offer and I’ll sell you my company. Kent-based, three-vehicle international O licence, secure yard, green OCRS, excellent credit rating, fuelcards, bank account with offer of £25,000 overdraft, comes with continuous ongoing work, just make me an offer I can’t refuse and I’ll bite your arm off! :wink:

So we agree again Harry, who would’ve thought it :laughing:

Phils gone quiet. Must of realised his nw meals on wheels round is o licence exempt

kr79:
Phils gone quiet. Must of realised his nw meals on wheels round is o licence exempt

Last seen waving a flask at some scallys trying to stow away on the berlingo as he boarded the mersey ferry :laughing:

The last time i saw Phil, he was towing the Costa Concordia to a scrap
yard.His 50 year old tug had greedy boards on it to haul more scrap.
The old tugger had the advert “Limeys Maritime Ltd.We give you a tug,anytime ,anyplace.”

newmercman:
So we agree again Harry, who would’ve thought it :laughing:

I would! :wink:

Harry Monk:

limeyphil:
If Burnley si could pass me on his details I’ll pass them on.

Thanks.

Phil, make me an offer and I’ll sell you my company. Kent-based, three-vehicle international O licence, secure yard, green OCRS, excellent credit rating, fuelcards, bank account with offer of £25,000 overdraft, comes with continuous ongoing work, just make me an offer I can’t refuse and I’ll bite your arm off! :wink:

Email your details to 247sewer@gmail. com. He is quite serious about it.

ahh the email address of a major businessman 247sewer@gmail

si and harry tell me you have both emailed him :astonished:

Hi Harry- did you apply for three vehicles as that was the size of your yard or did other factors come into it?