Self Tip,Aldi etc

I think its a little out of column A, a little out of Column B, I dont mind tipping 26 pallets, dragging them from trailer to warehouse. Thats the job, to deliver goods from Point A to point B, if they are on the trailer you have not delivered them to point B. I draw the line at breaking down pallets seperating the load or anything else that really should be done by their own warehouse staff just to save them a few quid on wages.

Same goes for loading, I am perfectly happy to load the goods onto the trailer, but can anyone seriously tell me they would be happy with picking the order, stacking it on pallets, shrinkwrapping it then loading it?

What is the alternative? I know, let the gaffer pay another man to open doors, drag pallets around and sort out the paperwork, we could call him a drivers mate and start a whole new thread.

Would you double man with a stranger?

i would much rather jump on the back and drag 30 pallets off, than sit in a stiffling hot waiting room with other drivers belching ,■■■■■■■ , snooring and general bs’ing for 2 hours. what i don’t agree with is the fact i arrive at a lidls and have to wait 4 hours for the privalidge of doing it because out of 50 empty bays they use [zb] 4 of them. :smiling_imp:

im off to lidls tomorrow :wink:

jonboy

Robertthegreat:
I wish we could self tip at all the places.It’s generally big fat over weight drivers who start moaning about it.I am glad to get out the seat and pull unload a few pallets.You can make it easy by raising or lowering the unit and trailer no effort at all.

That was my take on it when I used to do that kind of work. Nowadays I load and tip myself :grimacing:

gardun:
That trailer ain’t going to unload itself drive :wink:

My answer to that (altough it was not a tralier, but just a lorry) was:
“Id did not drove itself here itself as well. I did my part of the job” :slight_smile:

They said “So now do next part of your job then”

I said “Ok, so I am heading back to the yard” and jumped into the cab.

They soon changed their mind.

But it was the case when they were supposed to unload the lorry, only they tried to take advantage of me being agency driver. But I was warned of them on my departure :wink:
Saying that, I did my share of self tipping when working for coop and that’s peace of cake.

I did my share of handballing on my work and that was something worth be bothered. But you know what? I used to do that job once/twice per week, and I was fit. Since I am not doing it any more, I am fatter :cry:

The real pin in the arse for manual labour was driving on Hebrides, as you were delivering all sorts of stuff and you were on your own. But that also weren’t too big problem, even with my back injury (altough I started to have some pains and decided to quit).

jimmyinrugby1971:
I agree 100%…“driver” NOT warehouse person !!!

I guess then you don’t change bulbs as you are driver, not fitter?
You don’t do your walkaround checks, as you are driver, not diagnostic?
You don’t clean your windscreen as you are driver not a valeter?
You don’t fill your paperwork, as you are driver, not pen pusher?
You are not finding your way, as you are driver, not navigator?
You don’t reverse to the bay, as you are driver, not shunter?
You are not answering your company mobile, as you are driver, not call centre worker?
If in Europe, you expect everyone to speak English, as you are driver, not an interpreter?

orys:

jimmyinrugby1971:
I agree 100%…“driver” NOT warehouse person !!!

I guess then you don’t change bulbs as you are driver, not fitter?
You don’t do your walkaround checks, as you are driver, not diagnostic?
You don’t clean your windscreen as you are driver not a valeter?
You don’t fill your paperwork, as you are driver, not pen pusher?
You are not finding your way, as you are driver, not navigator?
You don’t reverse to the bay, as you are driver, not shunter?
You are not answering your company mobile, as you are driver, not call centre worker?
If in Europe, you expect everyone to speak English, as you are driver, not an interpreter?

Spot on orys,if i had not done any of the above for my old gaffer he would have sacked me.The only thing i couldant do was the languages,started late going over the water 48yrs old[cant teach old dogs new tricks] :laughing: :laughing: but i did make the effort and like many others picked enough up to get through but didnt expect everyone to speak english.
regards dave

Harry Monk:

ROG:

Malc44:
Once you backed onto a bay you then had to go in search of an electric pallet truck and tip yourself…

Are you trained to use one of those? - I ask as I’ve seen some pretty horrific incidents where untrained personnel have used them !!

Oh FFS ROG, next you’ll be suggesting that my kids have to go on a two-week course before they are allowed to drive a dodgem car at the funfair.

It’s not rocket science. There is a two-position switch which makes it go forwards and backwards, and a two-position switch to raise and lower the forks. If you are really in a daring mood, there is a hooter.

What is up with you H&S people?

And to the rest of the moaning minnies, if you did a bit of exercise from time to time, you wouldn’t look like Moby ■■■■’s fatter brother, would you?

Harry has a point though :sunglasses:

AlexWignall:
I havn’t got a problem with tipping myself.

When I worked for a DSV subbie in '09 every customer we went to in Denmark, Sweden, Holland and Germany expected us tip out using a stand on electric trolly. I just thought it was a harmless diversion that got me out of the cab.

Then again, I prefer to take my breaks where I can relax and have a brew or use the toilet and wash my hands. Funny how the drivers who complain the most are usually the ones who tend to take breaks when they tip.

W

I am more than happy to self tip, morrison’s, netto lidl wherever! I will however probably be on break at the same time, unless I have a timed collection enroute home and have time to kill. Get there get the job done go home, preferably in the shortest time possible. But that’s just me, too many folk worrying what everyone else is doing. The amount of drivers who wander round the yard quizing folk on what run they have really gets on my ■■■■, just get your job and crack on.

commonrail:
we had a h/s woman in our yard the other day and i could here her telling the boss that someone had lifted a trailor by" just using the thing" and that someone else didnt even connect the "thingys" and she didnt think it was a safe practice…
who the [zb] are these people?youd think shed have the decency to actually know what the [zb] she`s talking about before standing there telling people how to run thier buisness.

I hope your boss laughed her out of the wossname…

The Sarge:

commonrail:
we had a h/s woman in our yard the other day and i could here her telling the boss that someone had lifted a trailor by" just using the thing" and that someone else didnt even connect the "thingys" and she didnt think it was a safe practice…
who the [zb] are these people?youd think shed have the decency to actually know what the [zb] she`s talking about before standing there telling people how to run thier buisness.

I hope your boss laughed her out of the wossname…

Had an encounter with a female h&s bod whilst in Newport Solutia, was wearing chem suit with visor down whilst tipping and watching the pipe when she walks over with no chem suit or visor, bold as brass, to where I was standing to ask me h&s questions! Mental woman!

I ■■■■■■’ love solutia! Every time I go there you can guarantee I’ve forgotten my lightweight jacket, so end up sweating my nuts off in a bulky hiviz coat :imp:

Fileep:

AlexWignall:
I havn’t got a problem with tipping myself.

When I worked for a DSV subbie in '09 every customer we went to in Denmark, Sweden, Holland and Germany expected us tip out using a stand on electric trolly. I just thought it was a harmless diversion that got me out of the cab.

Then again, I prefer to take my breaks where I can relax and have a brew or use the toilet and wash my hands. Funny how the drivers who complain the most are usually the ones who tend to take breaks when they tip.

W

I am more than happy to self tip, morrison’s, netto lidl wherever! I will however probably be on break at the same time, unless I have a timed collection enroute home and have time to kill. Get there get the job done go home, preferably in the shortest time possible. But that’s just me, too many folk worrying what everyone else is doing. The amount of drivers who wander round the yard quizing folk on what run they have really gets on my ■■■■, just get your job and crack on.

To be honest Fileep,

I only hear about drivers tipping on their breaks when they winge about it, to anyone in listening distance, in the waiting rooms at Tesco etc…

(another good reason for self tippers).

W

The Sarge:
I [zb]’ love solutia! Every time I go there you can guarantee I’ve forgotten my lightweight jacket, so end up sweating my nuts off in a bulky hiviz coat :imp:

School boy error my friend, my long sleeved hi-vis works a charm! Will keep an eye out for you, sweating your ■■■■ off haha!

You are all bonkers :open_mouth:

Mrknowitall:
You are all bonkers :open_mouth:

bonkers as may be but at 54 years old I have never known more than 48 hours unemployment in my life, if a company folded being known and also being known what I would/could do meant a new job was only a phone call away and this despite having spent most of my working in other countries where I also had the disadvantage of being the foreigner, there has been more than one crisis during those years and I have survived all of them in full employment, so if putting in that little extra that ensures that I always have work makes me bonkers then they can lock me away now.

Vascoingles:

Mrknowitall:
You are all bonkers :open_mouth:

bonkers as may be but at 54 years old I have never known more than 48 hours unemployment in my life, if a company folded being known and also being known what I would/could do meant a new job was only a phone call away and this despite having spent most of my working in other countries where I also had the disadvantage of being the foreigner, there has been more than one crisis during those years and I have survived all of them in full employment, so if putting in that little extra that ensures that I always have work makes me bonkers then they can lock me away now.

Exactly. I am a bit more than half his age, I am a foreigner, and I have no problems to find work in UK. And they say there is a big unemployment problem.

On one occasion I was told “I just have to employ you - if you were working for that Pakistani warehouse [the one with handball deliveries], you are not afraid of any job”

I wonder what the reply would be to some who would say on his interview “I was only working for Sainsbury as there is no manual labour involved, and I am now 2 years on the dole, as I can’t find anything similar”… :grimacing:

orys:

Vascoingles:

Mrknowitall:
You are all bonkers :open_mouth:

bonkers as may be but at 54 years old I have never known more than 48 hours unemployment in my life, if a company folded being known and also being known what I would/could do meant a new job was only a phone call away and this despite having spent most of my working in other countries where I also had the disadvantage of being the foreigner, there has been more than one crisis during those years and I have survived all of them in full employment, so if putting in that little extra that ensures that I always have work makes me bonkers then they can lock me away now.

Exactly. I am a bit more than half his age, I am a foreigner, and I have no problems to find work in UK. And they say there is a big unemployment problem.

On one occasion I was told “I just have to employ you - if you were working for that Pakistani warehouse [the one with handball deliveries], you are not afraid of any job”

I wonder what the reply would be to some who would say on his interview “I was only working for Sainsbury as there is no manual labour involved, and I am now 2 years on the dole, as I can’t find anything similar”… :grimacing:

the reason why there is so many on the dole is because you are doing a job for no pay doing someone else out of a job :unamused: im 54 as well :wink:

I delivered to a aldi years ago,and when i’d backed on to the bay i was greeted with “there’s your electric pallet truck drive!!”.I said "sorry mate i’ve never driven one before!!,am i insured to drive one?,what if i hurt someone or myself?"Dunno mate was the answer.Also,it was frozen chips i was delivering,and i hadn’t got any cold gear to work in there.
So i told them i wouldn’t be unloading nothing,so they sent me on my way.I rang head office who told me to wait round the corner which i did,and twenty minutes later i drove back and they unloaded me.

Mrknowitall:
the reason why there is so many on the dole is because you are doing a job for no pay doing someone else out of a job :unamused: im 54 as well :wink:

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This is just excuse for your laziness.

  1. I never worked for less than my British counterparts. Moreover, when I worked for that warehouse, they were paying me a quid more per hour than to the rest because they were so desperate for drivers to go there and I was only one of the few who don’t bothered to do some heavy work.

  2. How is, that all this poor guys driven out of job by me usually say “I would never work in a job you do for money you earn” without even knowing what I do and what I earn?

I remember once I was sitting in one truckstop doing my time sheets and other paperwork, and two guys came to me and started the same talk as you do, trying to wind me up. Then they told, that they would never do my job for my money. I asked: whad do you drive? He pointed at DAF CF with container trailer. How much you have for the week? He said “560”. I then showed him my pay slip with 625 take home and pointed at my 18 tonner DAF with exactly the same cab.

They took their coffes and left the cafe without saying the word.

From all Scottish people I know, these who want’ to work have no problem to find a decent job even under that circumstances we have now.

The only one who are on the dole are these who still moan about “I won’t work for them, as they have premiums only” or “I won’t rise my bum from bed for less than 12 per hour” or “I was on the interview, but the vans were basic, there was even no fridge” (all autentic quotes).

See, when I came to Scotland, I had no knowledge of road network, I had very poor English and paint on my cat. C license was barely dry. I started to work for agency along the British guys (there were only two other Poles there at the time) and I was last Pole to leave for permanent job after 7 months. And I was paid the same rate in my new job as every other driver was (I was the only Pole there).

So why they picked some unexperienced Polish guy with poor English if they could have all that mighty great British truckers to choose from? Do you have any answer to that other, that I am a better worker than them?

I struggle to come with any other answer.

If I was British haulier, I would prefer to employ a British worker, who have 20 years of driving under his belt, who knows everything and everyone in the business and speaks English since he was 2. There would be only exception when I would pick the foreigner: if I was fed up with that I can’t find any British worker who will be doing something more than constant moaning and giving excuses and I needed someone who actually will do the job. I don’t think Scottish hauliers are stupid or attracted to me in a different way - I dare to tell the only reason why I never failed to find some job was that I was a good worker, and if they were calling my ex bosses for references, this is what they were told.

So stop making excuses, as this is just silly and annoying.

You were living in relative luxury for many years and you had forgotten how is to work hard for your wage. Now the world has changed, I mean, the whole world is on it’s knees, we are not even close to be clear from previous crisis and there is another one seems to be coming, and it’s not influx of Poles to UK who caused that.

So instead of looking for whipping boys, just get your sleeves up and do some work, you will be surprised how easy is to find a proper job (altough I am not saying that your first job will be briliant, I think you have to do some share of crap job to show, that you are not afraid of work first, unless you are really lucky).

And last but not least: I do admit that influx of Eastern European drivers has some impact on a drivers wages, but I do not believe it was the only reason. See, when I came here in 2006 there was so big shortage of drivers, that me, the fresh class 2 driver signed up to one agency, with poor English and no knowledge of the area had a call from them every day and was offered few jobs to choose from for the next day. So I believe there was a genuine shortage of drivers at this time (at least the ones who want to do some work).

Later the market was getting thight, and again, I never met any Pole who was ready to work for less than Britons, but I met one Briton which whom I had an interview together and he openly told the interviewer “I am ready to take that job for 50p less per hour than he” before they even told us whats the rates are in that place. (somehow it was me who got that job anyway).

And last but not least, I somehow don’t believe than back in 80s for example you were all driving fancy motors for 20 pounds per hour and you didn’t needed to move your finger to do anything apart from driving. They were such jobs, maybe, as they are today, but somehow I think that the job back then was even more demanding - there was much less motorways around, there was all that roping and sheeting, and tilt trailers, reversing with a-frames involved and the trucks back then were much harder to drive - i guess older folks with confirm that.

So stop telling fairy tales, stop blaming everyone around, get real and get a job, if you want to work. There is plenty around.

The guy for whom I worked via agency was saying that he would like to get me full time, but I got the offer from the place I work just now and went for it. Yet he still calls me every few months to check if I am not willing to come back to him. So I guess he is still struggling to find some decent driver…


Disclaimer: Yes, I know, I repeat myself, but blaming immigrant for everything is also a common subject.

Disclaimer two: There is one thing in English that I did not find the proper way to make myself clear: it’s that “you” works for singular and plurar. All “you” above are not only refering to Mrknowitall, but they are “general you” to all British drivers who are too lazy to work and blame Eastern Europeans for stealing their jobs. And I am not saying that Mrknowitall is one of them, as I don’t know him :slight_smile:

I hope it’s clear now :slight_smile: